Probably because this "integral part" is having a significantly detrimental effect on people experiencing the other "integral parts" of EVE.

Ya'll yelling slippery slopes and death of hisec, would you care to explain how you got into this argument now seeing how this discussion wasn't as vibrant when CONCORD was made invincible?

I think you're too attached to the status quo of things to imagine a system which will benefit every walk of life more in the long run. Yes, removing PvP options is not the ideal situation, but the targets are still there. If they undock, they consent to PvP and are as valid targets. It takes, what, a handful over a dozen catalysts to pop the most blinged out mission boat (theyr'e not ships, ships are for PvP)?

If CCP's projections of player retention come to fruition with this change and they can continue to work towards the total removal of safe NPC corps from hisec then this first step is an easy one to implement and revert at any point. Of course, you'd see this if you read this whole post and didn't take the bait on first 2 paragraphs, we'll see.

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And just because less people are doing a certain thing does not mean it should be preserved, if the thing itself is being a total dickhead.

Your analogy is both batshit ******** and painfully accurate at the same time btw, too bad you're way too ignorant to figure it out.

Good arguments stopped before your ignorant reply.

Making hisec safaries more difficult (no, this change does not prevent it, only means that awoxers need to put in effort and time) concerns a minority group of hisec players, for the benefit of majority of players in hisec and potential subscribers. Since it's in CCP's interests to cater to the needs of the majority in order to keep their business, it's rational and reasonable decision for them.

Hisec awoxing just wasn't good for the game, and that's the long and short if it.

No, you infiltrate the corp just as before, play your role until you get director role, turn off intra-corp PVP block and then awox. And rob them.

Tell me again, are you using the fact that awoxers are a minority group as an argument defending it's existence? Does this minority aspect apply to other playstyles as well?

Why waste your time in a corp that you really don't want to be in? Do something else you like more.

If a change benefits the majority and only presents a minor hindrance to a niche group, then it's a sensible balancing change. I think you agree on that.

It is the intention, and it's fine.

Corps need more way to protect themselves from awoxing. being paranoid and not letting members in until you know their mother, dog and medical records is not fun.

It especially does not retain new players.

There is ways to grief in EVE, and it's fine. Want to gank someone? Go for it. There is a simple counter to it: Tank your ship and don#t transport to many goods.

Shooting a corp member in space: Not fun, as one can not shield himself against it. there is no counter, except playing alone. Playing alone isn't fun, so people leave.


People need to be able to play together without getting wrecked by a single awoxer 8at least in high sec - if you want to shoot corp mates in low/null, do it, but you can do that after this change anyways).


Awoxing shouldn#t be removed - at least not entirely. But there are forms of awoxing that have gotten way out of control. everything needs to have a counter, and this is a counter against one form of awoxing. If people don't play together, they have little reason to stay in the game.

The over-abundance of awoxing and scamming is what hinders EVE, not what brings it forward.


If you enter low or null sec, you get a warning that it's dangerous. You can balance risk vs. reward. You doN#t need to go there if you doN#t want the risk, and if you go there you can use scouts and prepare yourself against getting killed. Use a covops or ceptor to stay out of trouble, for example.

But getting in a corp to play together with someone else shoud not pose an immediate risk to you. It just drives ppl. away. I know of many ppl who really like EVE, but just want to be able to play together with others, and don't want all that paranoid crap. They all have no problem with risk and wouldn#t mind getting blown up in low or null. But if you can#t even get into a high sec corp to get to know others and find ppl to play with without alway thinking about how you could loose your ship to the corpmate that nearby any moment, then it's not fun anymore, it just drags down.

I don#t say that AWOXing should be impossible. If you give someone access to your corp wallet and he empties it: Your fault. But basic player interaction inside a corp should be possible without any immediate danger.

Currently, it is safer to stay in an NPC corp then tpo go into a player corp. That discourages teamplay. Discouraging teamplay has never been healthy for an MMO, ever.

Lol. The counter to awoxing is to impose artificial restraints on the game is it? ha ha. Not kill the awoxer back?


wow....

Yes, let me try and kill someone behind a concord protected invincible logi wall which would take two dozen T3s to break.




More to the point, there is no API trail on a a fresh toon - are they just banned from joining corps now*? Those letting in people with "killboards a mile long" will certainly fall for other tactics so I honestly see no problem here.



*speaking of, I understood alt recycling was only bannable to avoid a SS issue - NOT to hide the toon history. I may be wrong, I've never done it.

There's a whole article that showcased people who did it specifically to kill new players and not only shiny kills. http://www.themittani.com/features/eve-scams-schemes-10-hour-hero

"There are people in this game who are not playing for monetary gain. TheyGÇÖre not playing for killmails. TheyGÇÖre here to blow you up because (a) itGÇÖs funny and (b) **** you."

I don't think you quite understand how the turn off awox option. While the option is only in the talks at the moment. You have to ask yourself.

What is this option really?

The reality of it, is that many people here fail to understand what the option is. Does this option suddenly disallows players to be unable to shoot their corp members? I don't think it works that way, instead what will end up happening, (most likely) is that now awoxing will be punished the same way, people awox in NPC corps, you destroyed their ship in high sec, well concord destroy's your ship in high sec.

This feature most likely came around with awoxers would play "Going AFK" games in a fully fitted T3 ship that can alpha anything off the field in one shot, then runs and hides some where so that he can't be found. Instead what this means is that if he wishes to do it again, he will have to dock his pod, which means he will have to take a risk of being booted from the corp everytime he docks up and refits.

Now, don't get me wrong, I didn't say I support this idea, my opinions are my own.

But this needless panic thread lacks any reasonable arguments, suggestions, and information.

Basically all the Original poster is doing is creating a thread to induce panic in the eve community, and fails to provide any real facts at all. I'm sorry but I for one don't support such a thread like this existing. I suggest it be locked, and murdered.

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Interesting to read since my last post here.
After reading the oft touted meeting minutes on thing is even more clear now than before and to be honest it trumps any thing and every argument we as players could post.

$$$$$

Did I mention cash money.

$$$$$

You know the cold hard real life cash that CCP uses to pay for devs, artists, computers for them, servers for us and the list goes on. Any company that cannot or will not adjust to keep the majority of their paying customers will soon find themselves on the bankrupt and out of business list.

If CCP thinks any in game activity be it high sec AWOXing, suicide ganking or running missions is threatening the real cash bottom line then it needs to be changed removed from the game.

A question and this is hypothetical
You control CCP do you keep high sec AWOXing in game and risk losing the majority of your paying customers?
Or do you remove high sec AWOXing and risk losing a very small minority of your paying players?

To a smart business manager the answer to this one is easy, you cater to the majority and keep them in the game.
Then you take the money you have and work to find ways to give the minority something that will keep them in the game.

And which underlying principle is there to prove? Hmmm? What kind of thought provoking things does this thread provide, what kind of thinking is it pushing by providing no information at all?

God, and before you tell me to stop posting, at least learn to know the difference between "u" and you.