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dktest
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Posted - 2006.09.21 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: dktest on 21/09/2006 08:37:50
Edited by: dktest on 21/09/2006 08:32:33
Hello,
i would like to ask which skills affect the amount of minerals that are wasted during the Reprocessing Loot Action ? I am interested in reducing this amount.
TIA
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.09.21 09:01:00 -
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Refining, Refinery Efficiency and Scrap Metal Processing.
To get 100% of the minerals, you'll need Refining 5, Refinery Efficiency 3 and Scrap Metal Processing 2, with a 50-base station (it's not possible to reach 100% on a 30-base station).
You'll also need a standing of 6.67+ towards the corp of the station where you refine, to get rid of the 5% tax.
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Rab
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Posted - 2006.09.21 11:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Kery Nysell
To get 100% of the minerals, you'll need Refining 5, Refinery Efficiency 3 and Scrap Metal Processing 2, with a 50-base station (it's not possible to reach 100% on a 30-base station).
I had read this before, and when I checked, Scrapmetal Processing had Refinery Efficiency 5 as a prerequisite, perhaps it was not always so.
Does anyone know if it would now need Refining 5, Refinery Efficiency 5 and Scrapmetal processing ?
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.09.21 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kery Nysell on 21/09/2006 11:55:16
Originally by: Rab
Originally by: Kery Nysell
To get 100% of the minerals, you'll need Refining 5, Refinery Efficiency 3 and Scrap Metal Processing 2, with a 50-base station (it's not possible to reach 100% on a 30-base station).
I had read this before, and when I checked, Scrapmetal Processing had Refinery Efficiency 5 as a prerequisite, perhaps it was not always so.
Does anyone know if it would now need Refining 5, Refinery Efficiency 5 and Scrapmetal processing ?
Ooooops 
Sorry, I forgot to check the reqs, that "5-3-2" is the theorical formula to get to 100% ... also works with 5-5-1.
Here's how it's calculated :
station_base + (37.5 x Refining bonus x Refinery Efficiency bonus x Processing bonus)
or, with numbers :
50 + (37.5 x 1.1 [Refining 5] x 1.12 [Refinery Efficiency 3] x 1.1 [Processing 2]) = 100.82
50 + (37.5 x 1.1 x 1.2 x 1.05) = 101.975
You also need Science 4 and Metallurgy 5 to learn the Scrap Metal Processing skill, but the good news is that when you have all those reqs, having the last skill at only 1 is enough to refine loots, ships and drones alloys at 100%.
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Rab
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:03:00 -
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Aww :( I was actually hoping you would say theres a way to achieve this without having to train another skill to 5.
5,3,2 sounds so much more pleasant than 5,5,1, booo!
Thanks much for the maths anyway :)
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Yeggstry
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.21 12:16:00 -
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Don't forget that Scrapmetal Processing requires Metallurgy V as well :)
Scrapmetal Processing
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Max Kentarii
Gallente
Chaos Faction
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Posted - 2006.09.21 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Max Kentarii on 21/09/2006 14:23:42
For ore, 5-4-1 gives you 100% as well.
Take a look here:
Refining calculator
To get 100% from loot takes quite some time :(
5-5-1 + metallurgy 5 + science 4. (the 1 in this case is as mentioned scrapmetal processing)
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Ching Ling
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.21 20:41:00 -
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So what is a 50-base station? How about NPC stations in high sec space where combat missions are given out?
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
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Posted - 2006.09.21 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ching Ling
So what is a 50-base station? How about NPC stations in high sec space where combat missions are given out?
Most high sec empire stations are 50 base stations, although some low sec ones are only 30-odd.
It only really matters if you're trying to refine at POSs, where the base rate is lower than that.
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Viktoria Maher
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Posted - 2006.09.22 00:12:00 -
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Don't forget you also need a standing of above 6.7 with the corp who owns the station if you want to avoid their taxes too.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.22 01:56:00 -
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The stations with 30% are easily recognizable because they all have 9 station services.
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.09.22 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Marine HK4861
Originally by: Ching Ling
So what is a 50-base station? How about NPC stations in high sec space where combat missions are given out?
Most high sec empire stations are 50 base stations, although some low sec ones are only 30-odd.
It only really matters if you're trying to refine at POSs, where the base rate is lower than that.
POSes have a fixed percentage of refining, not affected by any skills ... a Refining Array will always refine at 35%, and an Intensive Refining Array (Medium or standard) will always refine at 75%. Both will always refine Ice at 100%.
I'm almost 100% sure of that, but it's been 9 months since I played with a POS ... my memory is a bit hazy ...
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Shugo Kazuma
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Posted - 2006.09.23 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kery Nysell
POSes have a fixed percentage of refining, not affected by any skills ... a Refining Array will always refine at 35%, and an Intensive Refining Array (Medium or standard) will always refine at 75%. Both will always refine Ice at 100%.
I'm almost 100% sure of that, but it's been 9 months since I played with a POS ... my memory is a bit hazy ...
I think your numbers are right, but I think those are fixed ceilings, not fixed rates and that you can still do under those numbers if your skills are crappy enough.
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BlackMoon Thrawn
Minmatar
the Organ Grinder and Company
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.23 03:48:00 -
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scrapmetal processing and if you area at an npc station connections will help if you do at least 1 mission with them.
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Acidity
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Posted - 2006.09.23 04:53:00 -
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Hmm so just to summarize here..
50% Stations only require Scrap Metal processing to level 1 for max efficiency?
30% Stations ? Do they need Scrap Metal 5 for max efficiency return?
Scrap Metal processing does not affect POS Refining?
Just don't want to waste skill time training this any higher then is necessary :)
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.09.23 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Acidity
Hmm so just to summarize here..
50% Stations only require Scrap Metal processing to level 1 for max efficiency?
30% Stations ? Do they need Scrap Metal 5 for max efficiency return?
Scrap Metal processing does not affect POS Refining?
Just don't want to waste skill time training this any higher then is necessary :)
You cannot reach the 100% mark at a 30-base station, even with all skills at 5 :
37.5 x 1.1 x 1.2 x 1.25 = 61.875, add the base (30) and that's 91.875%.
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.09.23 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shugo Kazuma
Originally by: Kery Nysell
POSes have a fixed percentage of refining, not affected by any skills ... a Refining Array will always refine at 35%, and an Intensive Refining Array (Medium or standard) will always refine at 75%. Both will always refine Ice at 100%.
I'm almost 100% sure of that, but it's been 9 months since I played with a POS ... my memory is a bit hazy ...
I think your numbers are right, but I think those are fixed ceilings, not fixed rates and that you can still do under those numbers if your skills are crappy enough.
Well, the unskilled base of every character is 37.5%, and you need at least Refining 1 to be able to refine (so 37.5 x 1.02 = 38.25%) ... the max you can get by skills alone is 61.875% ... so a non-Intensive Array can be used by almost everyone, with only a small loss.
The real problem is the Refining Array don't have a "base" that is added to your skills, but only a "refining yield" (either 0.35% or 0.75%), and I can't find a mention of refining skills in their description ... it's stated that the "refining yield" doesn't apply to Ice ores, "which are always refined at the maximum efficiency the operator is capable of."
Well, to be honest, I don't own a POS right now to do some tests, so all I'm saying is theorical at best ... we'll need someone with high refining skills and a POS, willing to try to refine a batch of veld to see how much trit it gives ...
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Acidity
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Posted - 2006.09.23 09:27:00 -
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Yeah I am not after 100% efficiency from a 30% Station - just want to know if training Scrap Metal to level 5 will still have a worthwhile affect at those Stations or is there little point in training past level 1?
Thx
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Dragonring Omega
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Posted - 2006.09.25 16:33:00 -
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Do you even need Scrap metal processing, if you're at a 50% base?
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Shinca
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Posted - 2006.09.25 17:10:00 -
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If you want every last mineral, yes... With RE at 5 you get 99.5% eff. at 50% base.
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.09.25 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Acidity
Yeah I am not after 100% efficiency from a 30% Station - just want to know if training Scrap Metal to level 5 will still have a worthwhile affect at those Stations or is there little point in training past level 1?
Thx
Well ...
Scrap Metal 1 = 51.975 + base
Scrap Metal 2 = 54.45 + base
Scrap Metal 3 = 56.925 + base
Scrap Metal 4 = 59.4 + base
Scrap Metal 5 = 61.875 + base
A slight effect, but an effect nonetheless ... 2.475% per point.
If you choose your stations, having it at 1 is enough, with 50-base stations ...
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Beebopa Lula
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Posted - 2006.09.26 12:57:00 -
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So how is this different for refining ores?
Does 5-5 give you 99.5% efficiency here too, with the remainder being made up by the appropriate ore processing skill, c.f. Scrap Metal Processing?
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.09.26 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Beebopa Lula
So how is this different for refining ores?
Does 5-5 give you 99.5% efficiency here too, with the remainder being made up by the appropriate ore processing skill, c.f. Scrap Metal Processing?
Yup, 5-5 gives you 99.5% (37.5 * 1.1 * 1.2 = 49.5) at a 50-base station, and you need 1 in the appropriate Processing to get the last 0.5%
As I posted above, you can also reach that with 5-3-2, if the reqs for the particular Processing are lower than 5-5.
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Akita T
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.09.26 13:19:00 -
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And then, there's the 35% base refine stations (or was it 25%?) out there in 0.0
For those, you really need the specific repro skills to bring it close to 100% (but it's impossible to reach 100% AFAIK).
Other than that, L1 scrapmetal proc gives the full 100% compared to the 99.5% of the prerequisites, in 50% base refine stations.
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Agara Nuhto
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Posted - 2006.09.26 17:08:00 -
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take a look at this handy spreadsheet that breaks it up by skill and station %age.
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Beebopa Lula
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Posted - 2006.09.26 19:41:00 -
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Again, as ever, I am impressed by the speed and quality of replies on this forum. Thanks everyone - you've saved me a lot of unnecessary training!
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