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Nicholas Chrysus
Chrysus Industries
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Posted - 2015.01.20 12:14:14 -
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TheSmokingHertog wrote:Zahara Cody wrote:That's a wall of text for I don't know but I better make myself sound important like the self appointed MD weasel that I am. Don't forget a lot people do take that weasel very serious. Not to mention that the "wall of text" makes plenty of sense. That said, if a trustworthy third party were to agree with the OP over collateral, that would be enough for many of us, so really it's all about speaking with the third party and ensuring they are happy with the quality and location of the collateral.
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Koniforous
Tauren Transit
190
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Posted - 2015.01.20 12:19:29 -
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Zahara Cody wrote:That's a wall of text for I don't know but I better make myself sound important like the self appointed MD weasel that I am.
VV knows his **** and he just detailed what everyone is thinking, for Your benefit. Have some respect.
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.01.20 13:15:02 -
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"self appointed MD weasel"
Sure ... When I think of VV, it's precise that...
Or that you have no clue who is who in MD 
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5636
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Posted - 2015.01.20 14:56:11 -
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Koniforous wrote:Zahara Cody wrote:That's a wall of text for I don't know but I better make myself sound important like the self appointed MD weasel that I am. VV knows his **** and he just detailed what everyone is thinking, for Your benefit. Have some respect.
Thank you and the other people in here who understood my good intentions!
@Zahara Cody
I'll try be shorter and to the point about why I posted the "wall of text":
- I have noticed the investment is not attracting massively huge interest.
- I
am was a perspective investor able to fill one third of your whole loan, hence my interest. I could have "bootstrapped" the loan and others could have followed.
- I am a third party service and collateral holder since several years. And a trader. Pricing stuff is my job and collateral holding is one of my professions. I offered an insight of what - in the eyes of a collateral holder - may be seen as weak points.
Your collateral is massive to manage, partly highly illiquid, partly speculative and subject to wild price changes (expecially over 6 months+), and does not safely cover the loan.
You may review your offer to make it more appetible.
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Droodid
Antec Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.01.20 15:08:04 -
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Your attitude in your responses to your potential "investors" shows you to be a remarkably stupid individual! Insulting respected MD behemoths like VV won't go down very well with the people in this forum that actually have the level of liquidity that you require for your 1T ISK investment.
How about actually answering the questions you've been asked instead of being a prick? If not, I look forward to your quietly slinking away. |
Nicholas Chrysus
Chrysus Industries
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Posted - 2015.01.20 16:43:58 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
- I had noticed the investment is not attracting massively huge interest. That's what pushed me to post.
- I
am was a perspective investor able to fill one third of your whole loan, hence my interest. I could have "bootstrapped" the loan and others could have followed.
- I am a third party service and collateral holder since several years. And a trader. Pricing stuff is my job and collateral holding is one of my professions. I offered an insight of what - in the eyes of a collateral holder - may be seen as weak points.
Your collateral is massive to manage, partly highly illiquid, partly speculative and subject to wild price changes (expecially over 6 months+), and does not safely cover the loan. You may review your offer to make it more appetible. To be fair, his main reason for not attracting investors is that he's not got a third party on board yet. If Chribba for example were in here and in agreement that the collateral is suitable, many people would be happy with that. You are most likely correct that the collateral wouldn't be enough to satisfy a third party, but sitting here arguing over valuation isn't going to get anywhere.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5636
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Posted - 2015.01.20 17:09:19 -
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Nicholas Chrysus wrote:To be fair, his main reason for not attracting investors is that he's not got a third party on board yet. If Chribba for example were in here and in agreement that the collateral is suitable, many people would be happy with that. You are most likely correct that the collateral wouldn't be enough to satisfy a third party, but sitting here arguing over valuation isn't going to get anywhere.
Here's my reasonment:
Usually loans / bonds of this magnitude get published with everything pre-arranged, including third party holder.
Coming with a name is important, as it alone gives momentum to the offer. A name shows that a trusted (or, in case of Chribba, the most trusted) service deemed the business feasible and sound enough to underwrite it with his name.
If the offer comes without pre-arranged collateral holder then investors have no choice but make their own valuations.
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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
152
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Posted - 2015.01.20 17:27:17 -
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This place lacks some good drama.
What is your experience with selling AT ships, VV? |
Nicholas Chrysus
Chrysus Industries
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Posted - 2015.01.20 17:49:40 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Here's my reasonment:
Usually loans / bonds of this magnitude get published with everything pre-arranged, including third party holder.
Coming with a name is important, as it alone gives momentum to the offer. A name shows that a trusted (or, in case of Chribba, the most trusted) service deemed the business feasible and sound enough to underwrite it with his name.
If the offer comes without pre-arranged collateral holder then investors have no choice but make their own valuations. Understandable, but it will be dependent on a trusted 3rd party collateral holder, so it will be their valuation that matters. Everyone else's is irrelevant, and publicly you're unlikely to ever come to an agreement over the value of collectible items such as these.
The only real questions people need to answer is: If this were sufficiently collateralised in the opinion of a trusted third party capable of handling a bond of this size, would you be interested in investing at the given rate? Whether or not it meets the criteria of "sufficiently collateralised" is up to the third party to decide, and if they erred in that assessment I would expect them to shoulder that.
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
336
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Posted - 2015.01.20 18:56:57 -
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Quote:2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.
I have removed a reply. Please be respectful at all times, even if there is disagreement.
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Lieutenant Commander
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Droodid
Antec Enterprises
18
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:41:11 -
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Seeing as my perfectly reasonable (honest) post was removed, I'll rephrase.
It's a bad idea to come in here asking for a sizable investment and then proceed to rubbish a perfectly acceptable post from a highly respected MD regular. You'll alienate quite a few people who actually have the liquidity to loan you ISK in the quantity you want.
That being said, do you have any idea who your third party is; and are you willing to reveal any information about how you intend to meet your sizable interest payments?
Of course, should you decide to completely ignore my questions and simply "devastated" me. I'll be devastated (honest). |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2640
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:57:28 -
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Droodid wrote:Seeing as my perfectly reasonable (honest) post was removed, I'll rephrase.
It's a bad idea to come in here asking for a sizable investment and then proceed to rubbish a perfectly acceptable post from a highly respected MD regular. You'll alienate quite a few people who actually have the liquidity to loan you ISK in the quantity you want.
That being said, do you have any idea who your third party is; and are you willing to reveal any information about how you intend to meet your sizable interest payments?
Of course, should you decide to completely ignore my questions and simply "devastated" me. I'll be devastated (honest).
He can be as blunt as he wants to if he doesn't give a rats ass about how others feel about him as a ''person''.The moment chribba says he holds collateral for 1 T it'll be filled in a blink anyway with no questions asked further.If the collateral is enough to cover 1 T or not is up to the 3rd party and as we are talking about 1 T i can only think of two 3rd parties who could get this fllled without questions and my guess is grendell is gonna keep his hands off of this one.
Seems people are underestimating how much isk is waiting for an investment and how isk/cash , yes even in a game , will outrule ''behaving like a weener'' any time.Most of us do work for a boss right  ?
The only thing that has surprised me so far from this thread is that Zahara felt the need to make it in the first place.If he had gone to chribbs or grendell and found an agreement with them in a closed conversation he wouldn't have to ''defend himself/offend others.
But then he might get some fun out of this .... i would
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Koniforous
Tauren Transit
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:10:14 -
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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
152
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:40:25 -
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Nothing better to stir the pot than insulting a respected MD member... #sorrynotsorry VV. 
Peace out. |
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
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Posted - 2015.01.21 04:19:27 -
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Out of curiosity, was this loan to secure the 1tril liquid isk required to purchase this?
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Ria Nieyli
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
31164
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Posted - 2015.01.21 04:21:24 -
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flakeys wrote:He can be as blunt as he wants to if he doesn't give a rats ass about how others feel about him as a ''person''.The moment chribba says he holds collateral for 1 T it'll be filled in a blink anyway with no questions asked further.If the collateral is enough to cover 1 T or not is up to the 3rd party and as we are talking about 1 T i can only think of two 3rd parties who could get this fllled without questions and my guess is grendell is gonna keep his hands off of this one. Seems people are underestimating how much isk is waiting for an investment and how isk/cash , yes even in a game , will outrule ''behaving like a weener'' any time.Most of us do work for a boss right ? The only thing that has surprised me so far from this thread is that Zahara felt the need to make it in the first place. If he had gone to chribbs or grendell and found an agreement with them in a closed conversation he wouldn't have to ''defend himself/offend others. But then he might get some fun out of this .... i would
I guess we can guess what happened there. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2640
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Posted - 2015.01.21 07:47:53 -
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He my bro yo :)
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Jan VanRijkdom
House VanRijkdom Trading Conglomerate
15
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Posted - 2015.01.23 07:37:13 -
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Cody are you coming up with details on a new super proposal that will not ruffle feathers? And have an FAQ and everything? I heard rumors.....
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