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Jayne Fillon
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Posted - 2015.01.16 13:37:33 -
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I'll keep this brief -
For those who don't know me, I'm the founder of Spectre Fleet - Eve's largest NPSI PvP Community.
Long story short, we're looking to form a public group (akin to the current HS incursion communities) that is capable of running the lowsec versions of these sites. The goal of this group is to take advantage of the bonus payouts from lowsec incursions, and beat the average income of a highsec incursion group without using multi-billion ISK pirate faction battleships.
We're going to be attempting a few fleets as a "Proof of Concept" and are looking for people who would be interested in making this a reality. We know running these sites is possible with a public group - we've already done so multiple times, in both low and null. However, now that we know we it can be done, we want to know if it can be done better than in highsec.
If you're interested in helping out, or simply brainstorming ideas, either send me a mail in game of reply to this post here.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
45727
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Posted - 2015.01.17 07:32:30 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:I'll keep this brief -
For those who don't know me, I'm the founder of Spectre Fleet - Eve's largest NPSI PvP Community.
NPSI ?
Is that a typo for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) ?
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Eru GoEller
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2015.01.17 08:06:35 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jayne Fillon wrote:I'll keep this brief -
For those who don't know me, I'm the founder of Spectre Fleet - Eve's largest NPSI PvP Community.
NPSI ? Is that a typo for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) ? DMC For once i remembered a community spotlight where i saw the NPSI explained, if not in fleet shoot it:). Source: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/community-spotlight-spectre-fleets/ |

Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
817
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Posted - 2015.01.17 08:07:33 -
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Is 15(vanguard) on grid allowed in bluesec only or it is for low sec too
vg only or all sites?
If BS hulls are used what you think will work? |

Jayne Fillon
543
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Posted - 2015.01.17 09:37:08 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:NPSI ?
Is that a typo for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) ? Not Quite.
NPSI is Not Purple Shoot it - which essentially means public fleets, or more specifically people working together using the fleet mechanics even if they don't share a common corporation and alliance.
Quote:Is 15(vanguard) on grid allowed in bluesec only or it is for low sec too
vg only or all sites? Vanguard sites are likely the ones that we would attempt first, as they are unique in that you can have more people in fleet and still receive the same payout. The great part is there is no increase in difficulty from highsec sites and lowsec sites, but there is a 50% increase in profit in both ISK and LP. Journal entry: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/w/images/9/91/Vanguard_rpr.PNG
Quote:If BS hulls are used what you think will work? It's still very early on, and we haven't decided on which ship we would make as the primary ship to complete this it. It would likely be shield, and the nightmare is currently a top contender. The specifics on that are still to be worked out.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
817
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:02:43 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:NPSI ?
Is that a typo for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) ? Not Quite. NPSI is Not Purple Shoot it - which essentially means public fleets, or more specifically people working together using the fleet mechanics even if they don't share a common corporation and alliance. Quote:Is 15(vanguard) on grid allowed in bluesec only or it is for low sec too
vg only or all sites? Vanguard sites are likely the ones that we would attempt first, as they are unique in that you can have more people in fleet and still receive the same payout. The great part is there is no increase in difficulty from highsec sites and lowsec sites, but there is a 50% increase in profit in both ISK and LP. Journal entry: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/w/images/9/91/Vanguard_rpr.PNG
Quote:If BS hulls are used what you think will work? It's still very early on, and we haven't decided on which ship we would make as the primary ship to complete this it. It would likely be shield, and the nightmare is currently a top contender. The specifics on that are still to be worked out.
nice nice
since you can bring up to 5 ppl more to sites w/o affecting payout(over hi sec incursions) which will net you some 5000dps extra i hope it can be done with non 1b+ hulls and still get on top in isk/h.
using(risking) t1 ships and loosing em wouldn't be an issue for me.15b+ NM fleet on other hand is just a tasty cake.
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Jayne Fillon
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:10:40 -
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Yes, obviously if you can still trump hs isk/h using T1 battleships, that would be optimal since you wouldn't be risking anything and fewer people would go out of their way to try and kill you. Rokhs would be my first guess on which ship would be able to do it the best.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Dexter Cretralius
Duke of the Day Hard Knocks Citizens
3
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Posted - 2015.01.17 12:28:24 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jayne Fillon wrote:I'll keep this brief -
For those who don't know me, I'm the founder of Spectre Fleet - Eve's largest NPSI PvP Community.
NPSI ? Is that a typo for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) ? DMC
The one thing to keep in mind however is that you are still responsible for any consequences that occur from shooting your alliances/corporations individual blues, some people choose to also ignore their alliances blue lists during NPSI fleets, but if your alliance CEO/Executors are likely to kick your ass for shooting blues it's probably in your best interest not to shoot them.
For example you are a CFC member and Spectre are running a NPSI fleet to Deklein/Branch, unless you're prepared to shoot blues you might want to skip that fleet. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
45778
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Posted - 2015.01.17 21:59:10 -
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Ahhhh, seems I missed that Community Spotlight.
Thanks for the answer.
Jayne Fillon wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:NPSI ?
Is that a typo for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) ? Not Quite. NPSI is Not Purple Shoot it - which essentially means public fleets, or more specifically people working together using the fleet mechanics even if they don't share a common corporation and alliance. Thanks for explaining it. Seems that old saying still holds true : Even after playing this game for years you can still learn something new every day.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
45778
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Posted - 2015.01.17 22:07:00 -
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Dexter Cretralius wrote: The one thing to keep in mind however is that you are still responsible for any consequences that occur from shooting your alliances/corporations individual blues, some people choose to also ignore their alliances blue lists during NPSI fleets, but if your alliance CEO/Executors are likely to kick your ass for shooting blues it's probably in your best interest not to shoot them.
For example you are a CFC member and Spectre are running a NPSI fleet to Deklein/Branch, unless you're prepared to shoot blues you might want to skip that fleet.
Yeah, I understand and even though I don't have to worry about that due to being in NPC corp, I don't plan on joining the fleet.
I just needed some clarification on the NPSI acronym.
Thanks.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
120
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Posted - 2015.01.18 07:18:20 -
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Shield or armor
Also what is to be done with long webs? Considering in HS VGs true sansha webs with links are used, and it's critical for npcs orbiting at 20. So are you going to include lokis with T2/M4 webs? |

Jayne Fillon
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Posted - 2015.01.18 15:23:45 -
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Torgeir Hekard wrote:Shield or armor  Also what is to be done with long webs? Considering in HS VGs true sansha webs with links are used, and it's critical for npcs orbiting at 20. So are you going to include lokis with T2/M4 webs or pad fleets with huggins? Likely shield... and there is no reason why we couldn't use fednavy webs with links in lowsec - links would be a certainty regardless. It may not be necessary to run with faction damage mods etc, but there are always going to be some "shiny" parts of the fleet that can't be compromised on in order to actually complete the site in good time.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
190
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Posted - 2015.01.18 16:22:44 -
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There was a fleet that did this, shady fleet. don't know what happened to them as I haven't heard in a while. if the FCs aren't stuck up or feel that they are gods gift to incursions, I may have an interest
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Jayne Fillon
546
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Posted - 2015.01.18 16:25:53 -
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Agondray wrote:There was a fleet that did this, shady fleet. don't know what happened to them as I haven't heard in a while. if the FCs aren't stuck up or feel that they are gods gift to incursions, I may have an interest Do you have any information on "shady fleet" ? I have never heard of such an initiative even existing.... as for the FCs who consider themselves "god's gift" to New Eden, I'm hoping that starting fresh will avoid those problems, as well as the current blood feuds between existing highsec groups.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
908
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Posted - 2015.01.19 10:45:59 -
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sounds like fun to me.
looks like the full payout goes up to 16 pilots? and around 20 or so for the same payout as in the 12man highsec fleets. so can drop a lot of the shiny as you aren't worried about contests, and add another logi.
I guess the other question is how will the group handle pvp? I feel like that would be at least half the fun of such a venture. going out in 15-20 man battleship fleets. Also with current pirate BS prices I wouldn't really mind risking a few. After a few hours the ship is paid for. and if I make it that long and then get in a brawl the fun easily makes the isk part not matter.
plus maybe a few skynet carriers assisting fighters in system. not sure how incursion rats deal with fighters?
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Jayne Fillon
546
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Posted - 2015.01.19 11:50:50 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:plus maybe a few skynet carriers assisting fighters in system. not sure how incursion rats deal with fighters? I don't believe fighters can take acceleration gates, so skynet is out of the question unless I'm mistaken.
As for PvP, thanks to the natural cyno inhib of all incursion systems, you'd only have to worried about (large) black ops gangs and roaming fleets that try to take you out. Both would be rather easy to see coming and avoid, since they would have to spike local first, etc. Anything small could be ignored or killed if they tried to mess the fleet, and anything large enough to be a problem would be seen coming and avoided simply by warping to station.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium Templis CALSF
246
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:04:46 -
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Fighters/FBs can't take acceleration gates - else they'd be whined about in FW as well as the typical gate camps.
In FW we've ran a few of these from time to time out of boredom and to bait fights in more expensive boats. Short of the occasional larger pirate entity coming at us (which we had plenty of warning, nearly a whole site's worth, given how rare battleship/T2 cruiser large fleets are and how quickly channels light when a group is noticed) it was fairly easy to run as long as everyone was on top of things and warped as a single unit, took gates as a unit, etc etc. We did run Vindi heavy for that dank web bonus, and our "drone bunny" was a Loki instead of the usual Vindi and they would have a scram fitted (purely as an anti-MJD slot...since the point was to web/scare off threats, not kill).
If you get into this expect to be hunted. Also expect me to tag along for help. +1 Scimi/Basi pilot with Logi V for you sir.
Arma Purgatorium - What is Podded May Never Die
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Jayne Fillon
546
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:29:38 -
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Morgan Torry wrote:If you get into this expect to be hunted. Also expect me to tag along for help. +1 Scimi/Basi pilot with Logi V for you sir. Coming from a PvP background, getting hunted will be half the fun. :P
Getting paid will be the other half.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Typhoid Mary
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:46:40 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:Morgan Torry wrote:If you get into this expect to be hunted. Also expect me to tag along for help. +1 Scimi/Basi pilot with Logi V for you sir. Coming from a PvP background, getting hunted will be half the fun. :P Getting paid will be the other half.
Thats a really great Avatar picture. You looke like a General, and I want to instinctively salute you. o7 |

Padegejas
Peace Empire for univers
28
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Posted - 2015.01.19 15:03:39 -
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If you want to beat Highsec Incursions by income you should take into account that you'll need to kill the mothership in order to get the generated LP. Othervice you loose ~ 1/3 potential income. This task might be quite complicated at the starter as 40-60 man fleet won't be gathered easily. So most probably you'll loose your LP sometimes unless you'll use your PVP community as a source to gather mothership fleets (don't know how big your community is and what is the potential of gathering fleet of that size on demand) |
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DotheBarrel Roll
11
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Posted - 2015.01.21 11:39:06 -
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The last two times we did this were good enough tbh.. If you want to try a new setup I would suggest longerbows(with blasters?) or legions for vanguards(that'll beat hisec isk/h easily as will anything else once the fleet is running) +1loki. And for the Ouroboros call in golden fleet.. |

Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming
125
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Posted - 2015.01.23 02:41:26 -
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I doubt Specter fleet would have issues getting the numbers to run a HQ, they could also ask RVB ganked for some help. They Ran a MOM site a few roams ago with an 100 Man PVP fleet.
As for the Site themselves, T1 BS's are used a lot in the Hobo HS fleets so we know they work even with 2 Logi (They have a similar Resit Profile to Pirate Ships) . You will most likely just ahve to fit 2x T2 Invlus and a DC2 rather than a Single A-type Invlu. Anything above that would be more for the PVP aspect (You get 96K EHP with 2X Invlus, a DC2 and an EM Rig) .
I would personally prefer Shield Apocs to Rokh's but that's just me. The tank is a chunk less, but it has instant ammo swapping and way better tracking , bit more damage (with Mega Beam, if you can fit Tachs with Implants is 10% dps) and more space for Drone (lights and mediums, rather than just 1 type) |

infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.02.07 10:43:34 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:Agondray wrote:There was a fleet that did this, shady fleet. don't know what happened to them as I haven't heard in a while. if the FCs aren't stuck up or feel that they are gods gift to incursions, I may have an interest Do you have any information on "shady fleet" ? I have never heard of such an initiative even existing.... as for the FCs who consider themselves "god's gift" to New Eden, I'm hoping that starting fresh will avoid those problems, as well as the current blood feuds between existing highsec groups.
I tried to do a lowsec incursion with shadyfleet a year or 2 ago, just seemed like we could never get organized to get one running...not sure they even exist anymore... Did a few pvp fleets with specrefleet as well...fun fun, |

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
139
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Posted - 2015.02.23 15:00:54 -
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Some feedback on yesterdays Incursion fleet led by Hunter Anubis. It was my first Incursion (I always wanted to try but I have bad BS skills). To my positive surprise we were flying Shield-BC and T1 logis. So I boarded a cap-stable Scythe (minmatar 4, shield repper 3), fitted 5 warp core stabs (also first time I used this nasty stuff ) and headed out with the fleet to the incursion site. In the target system we refitted our ships and warped to the first beacon. The FC was very professional, answered all questions, clear commands, fast execution, relaxed attitude. We completed each Vanguard site in about 10 minutes, with 15mio direct cash influx each. During my 2h stint with the fleet we had 2-3 critical situations, where people got deep into armor (once a bit of structure), but nothing we couldn't save. Actually it was a lot of fun, especially as logi, because you have to optimize your repper and target management, what keeps you busy all time. As a bonus I improved my sec status from -1.9 to -1.3 (with getting paid, instead of spending money on tags).
I would totally do it again and appreciate a regular fleet within Spectre.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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KlM KARDASHlAN
Dirt 'n' Glitter
0
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Posted - 2015.03.01 03:49:58 -
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I've been on enough roams with various Spectre FCs to have a certain interest in this. Would like to participate as a logi pilot.
I currently have access to fairly capable T1 armor logi (G + A cruiser IV, good core Engineering skillbase, RARS V) and would be happy to either continue into T2, or transfer into shield logi. Please let me know what the minimum and recommended requirements are.
If there are also weird support roles I could perform while training any skillgaps (scout eyes, bricktank aggro paperweight if that's a thing, etc.), I wouldn't mind that also.
Basically, will happily perform support/utility roles; I have zero interest in being a DPS pilot. |

Beta Stryker
PLEX CARTEL
20
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Posted - 2015.05.28 03:43:06 -
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Is this still happening? I'm a logi/support bro who would be interested in fleeting up for these... |
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