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Bruno Chowson Chowabunga Inc. 8	Posted - 2011.12.02 22:23:00 - [31] - Quote Alberio wrote: I think it's odd that you're doing this in a WH, rather than in Lowsec (or Null): All of that said, I've never tried to put together an alliance, much less attempt one with an idea like this. To be fair: I'm not sure anybody has done it (yet). SO...who knows? I think that makes it interesting. You may loose billions of ISK, but at least you'll have done something - and that's what the game is about. This is a great point, I am definitely going to give it some thought. That being said, I am not sure that PI'ing and bringing attention to oneself go hand in hand. The relative safety of the WH, in my humble opinion, out-weights the need to expand at this point. As the alliance grows, and space becomes an issue, obviously being limited to one system is not the best thing in the world. Also, if you go around POCOing (did I just invent a verb?) neighboring systems, you will CONSTANTLY have pirates in the area as they will catch the scent of fresh meat in the form of PI bears hauling back and forth.
Borun Tal One More Corp 13	Posted - 2011.12.02 22:53:00 - [32] - Quote Bruno, mail headed your way...
Claire Raynor NovaGear 7	Posted - 2011.12.05 12:34:00 - [33] - Quote Esunisen wrote: Griefers in lowsec gonna blow all your POCOs, and big nullsec Alliances gonna lock their POCOs. ALL PI just got pawned, better get used to it. This IS what's happening. I'd love to see the stats - but is the increased cost of PI produce due to the tax rates going balistic OR the fact lots of people simply aren't doing it anymore and supply is drying up? Who's gonna pay for a a POCO that's just gonna get griefed dead before you ever even get close to breaking even on that expenditure? I'm just never going to take that risk. Remember - you are going to have to keep your POCO alive for 5 months to get your investment back. I love the new patch BTW - the graphics are ace and I love the new Warp effects.
Cavilha Tupy Industries 0	Posted - 2011.12.07 21:18:00 - [34] - Quote I'm thinking of something like the idea of you. It May be an option complementary. Look at the forum That you posted. [url = https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476188 & # post476188] My forum post [/ url] [quote] Hi I live in Wh with the static to high sec. I would like the opinion of you about how much to charge for permission to use the system's planets. I was thinking about 30 million per month + 5% rate per character. Only access to the planets. Contract will be Delivered via the BMs of the input and output system via the contract at the station nearest the entrance. Anchor POS, PVE and mining Can be traded separately. What do you think? [/ quote]
Wolodymyr Mando'a Navy Controlled Chaos 11	Posted - 2011.12.07 21:37:00 - [35] - Quote So let me get this straight...... A bunch of highsec carebears are going to move into lowsec and live there. YES!!! Where do you guys live! Bruno Chowson wrote: PVP guys hunt down gangs in/around the area. It's a win/win as your planet monkies get their low taxes and real pilots get their fights. I just realized something. The people who want to do only PI probably have no combat skills. It takes combat skills to take and hold a lowsec PI office. I have a better idea. Why don't I just fly into lowsec, blow up all the PI offices I see, set up my own with slightly lower taxes than empire to encourage people to use my offices rather than Concord's, and live off the taxes.
massajido Banda del Norte 0	Posted - 2011.12.08 09:15:00 - [36] - Quote Wolodymyr wrote: The people who want to do only PI probably have no combat skills. Yeah...because after I spent those two months or so with my P.I. skills I just stopped training anything else. PI is a side gig to bring in a little isk every few days. Great idea, not sure about using WH space, but I do hope that it does come together.
Velicitia Open Designs 175	Posted - 2011.12.08 11:13:00 - [37] - Quote massajido wrote: Wolodymyr wrote: The people who want to do only PI probably have no combat skills. Yeah...because after I spent those two months or so with my P.I. skills I just stopped training anything else. PI is a side gig to bring in a little isk every few days. Great idea, not sure about using WH space, but I do hope that it does come together. I think the implications is that "pro PI" guys probably went from PI to mining/industry, and have some complex that makes them completely afraid of risking even a frigate in combat (i.e. they're hisec carebears through and through).
massajido Banda del Norte 0	Posted - 2011.12.08 18:10:00 - [38] - Quote I understand what was implied about PI players, but it's a rep that needs to be broken for a PI alliance to succeed. Otherwise people would think they could just come by and pop a POCO without fear.
Velicitia Open Designs 176	Posted - 2011.12.08 18:32:00 - [39] - Quote massajido wrote: I understand what was implied about PI players, but it's a rep that needs to be broken for a PI alliance to succeed. Otherwise people would think they could just come by and pop a POCO without fear. or you let the people think they can just come and pop the PCO without fear ... and OMGWTFBBQ them
Wolodymyr Mando'a Navy Controlled Chaos 12	Posted - 2011.12.08 20:54:00 - [40] - Quote massajido wrote: I understand what was implied about PI players, but it's a rep that needs to be broken for a PI alliance to succeed. Otherwise people would think they could just come by and pop a POCO without fear. Well the only way to see if industrialists are any good at combat is to start shooting at them..... which is what i was planning on doing anyway.
bilingi Ghosts of the Storm 11	Posted - 2011.12.09 09:48:00 - [41] - Quote which is the only reason PI was changed,Because the so called PVpers are scared to shoot at each other, if they arent out numbering the other group 10 to 1.
Ubarro Special Retrieval Service 1	Posted - 2011.12.11 00:38:00 - [42] - Quote This is an awesome idea. I would also prefer Lowsec to begin with. I'll get in touch in game! Ubarro
Father Touchee Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.12.11 02:09:00 - [43] - Quote You're approaching this from the wrong angle. Everyone operating in space outside highsec is absolutely reliant on having a pvp backbone or the funds to call down good mercs on request. I don't know your projected tax income, but I doubt that it would be sufficient enough to pay off enough pirates or bored nullsec roaming folk to keep your operation profitable in the long run. What you want to do is guise your operation as a collection of roaming pvp corps. Set them up with a few fc's, keep them busy shooting the local pirates/fw types in your lowsec pipe and then have your PI alts in another member corp reap the protection provided. If anyone gets wind that your alliance is first and foremost about carebearing, you will be an immediate target.
Jarimus Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.12.11 03:24:00 - [44] - Quote Hey guys I did not know there are PI corps! Anyway I got into PI when it came out and had no idea what I was doing so I failed at it, and now I know there are some corps I was wondering who would like to add on to their workforce?
Cloora APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate 44	Posted - 2011.12.11 18:49:00 - [45] - Quote Any of you carebears that want access to POCOs please contact me. We have a healthy group of carebears and a very competant group of PvPers. Check BC for proof of that. We have already put up POCOs and are going to put up more. Pirates have Reinforced one of our more profitable POCOs three times now when we are not online. (we are mostly US and NZ and Japan heavy in our TZ) and they never show when it comes out of RF. However we did manage to kill a couple BSes that came to try and shoot at the same PoCO. We love PvP and love the fact POCOs bring PVP opportunities. We use dreads to take em down and carriers to rep em up. We could always use more people to help and pay for more PoCOs. Let me know CEO and Major ShareholderAPEX ConglomerateMaker of Starsi softdrinks and Torped-Os! Cereal http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
Milonia APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate 0	Posted - 2011.12.12 22:47:00 - [46] - Quote Becasue of this post we have already got another corp of PI enthusiests that has joined. We can always use mroe people that can offer some help with protection for the benefit of low tax.

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