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iP0D
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.24 04:33:08 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something myself and CCP t0rfifrans have been talking about for some time now, some kind of ship inventory with a lot of techincal backstory and history of hulls in it. What would you guys think of something like that? Would you be interested in buying some form of media completely devoted to technical backstory in EVE? Stuff like technical readouts, drawings, histories of hulls and their variants, that kind of thing? Just wondering!
On a serious note, yes. There's a geek & tech market you can (and should) dig into. People have been asking for that since '03, we've seen plenty of player created content over the years as well, from renders in the blender communities via fan fiction to technical background / element content in roleplaying groups.
Question isn't so much whether to market it, but how. Particularly since such user and community types tend to be rather high maintenance - it's not an eve thing, go fishing with franchises like Perry Rhodan or BattleTech for hints.
A major caveat you should however keep in mind is that the marketable value of immersive content is nill without added mythos. Simply put: hull history may sell a bit, but not for long, and not by much. Hull history tied in with storyline / dynamic content + extra's (things to do / share) is the proven better approach.
Funny thing, aside of that mishap with user designed ships once upon a time (remember the chaos and long aftermath), that was something which could have yielded a lot of useful adopt/share type of exposure. I'm surprised CCP hasn't hooked up with space agencies (private and public) considering some ships of recent years are right out of tech experiments from there :P Synergy folks .. explore it.
Incidentally, ever considered taking a page out of Jesuit notes? Get 'em young - paper model kits, cardboard cutouts, foldout postcards from outer space, explore the angles to give free & freely. Build up an experience base, then try commercial avenues. No matter the number of accounts subscribed, Torfi should not (again) forget that you're dealing with a niche market model. CCP is not a retail company. Again: remember the store drama over the years. You're not retail. Stay digital, enable players to make things real. It's the foundation right there either way.
On a less serious note, I don't doubt there's enough people who will buy good material not just for its own value, if it keeps the man away from game design and venture development. Too much damage was done.
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Marisol Aldurad
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.01.24 11:08:19 -
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Definitely YES! |
Omega Tron
Amarr Mining Inc
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Posted - 2015.01.24 19:53:43 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something myself and CCP t0rfifrans have been talking about for some time now, some kind of ship inventory with a lot of techincal backstory and history of hulls in it. What would you guys think of something like that? Would you be interested in buying some form of media completely devoted to technical backstory in EVE? Stuff like technical readouts, drawings, histories of hulls and their variants, that kind of thing? Just wondering!
OK.... So you've discussed this idea internally to death now? So the lore players love it. The PVP players see it as a waist of developer time (ignore please!) Sounds like to me you need to get this on a release schedule target if it is ever going to happen.
Many plus one's for this. It's real geek candy.
CCP's sand box is EVE Online. The sand is owned by CCP. We pay them a monthly fee to throw the sand at each other. That is all that is here, so move along. Nothing more to be seen.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.25 09:32:39 -
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iP0D wrote:You're not retail. Stay digital excellent point.
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Pestilen Ratte
Artimus Ratte
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Posted - 2015.01.26 01:54:34 -
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I've given this issue of commercial demand for extra media some thought. Here is the thing:
If players buy media content of any kind separately from the contract to play the game (subscription payment), how can that separation be maintained with respect to the in game media?
You can sell a physical model separately to the digital media. You can sell glossy posters, beer coolers, hats and other physical manifestations of media and yet keep them separate from in game media.
But lore and back story? I don't think so. It seems inherently doomed to undermine the in game media, and so corrupt the subscription deal that has already been made.
I'd counsel to avoid any discussion of trying to sell IP (images, lore etc) beyond the subscription deal. The deal is that you pay and you get, and what you get is ALL the lore, all the digital media. You get Eve, plain and simple, and that means all the IP to enjoy.
Having said that, there are many ways to leverage popular IP and to use it to generate margins in separate business streams. This is not a new thing, some publishers are better at it than others.
Much as I love you CCP guys, if we brutally honest, you suck at leveraging your IP. You are professional developers but amateur publishers.
You will know when you don't suck at publishing because you will start talking about leveraging IP instead of selling it.
Good luck, and god's speed. I have every faith you will get there in the end.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.01.26 02:00:42 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something myself and CCP t0rfifrans have been talking about for some time now, some kind of ship inventory with a lot of techincal backstory and history of hulls in it. What would you guys think of something like that? Would you be interested in buying some form of media completely devoted to technical backstory in EVE? Stuff like technical readouts, drawings, histories of hulls and their variants, that kind of thing? Just wondering! Would buy.
"My mule don't like laughing. You can apologize to my mule and can be alright."
-The Man with No Name
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
1295
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Posted - 2015.01.26 08:24:36 -
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Quoting for posterity.
Why Can't I have a picture signature.
Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2015.01.26 11:51:35 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something myself and CCP t0rfifrans have been talking about for some time now, some kind of ship inventory with a lot of techincal backstory and history of hulls in it. What would you guys think of something like that? Would you be interested in buying some form of media completely devoted to technical backstory in EVE? Stuff like technical readouts, drawings, histories of hulls and their variants, that kind of thing? Just wondering!
I would deffinitely like to see cutouts as big posters with theme of empire battleships: apocalypse, raven, tempest and megathron.
Don't look any further for negative energy, you will find it by being lazy.
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jurgen b
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.26 12:10:48 -
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+ 1 i would buy it, not because need but for the support of EVE developement :) so one day we can open the door from our CQ |
Aralieus
The Inf1dels
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Posted - 2015.01.26 16:54:59 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something myself and CCP t0rfifrans have been talking about for some time now, some kind of ship inventory with a lot of techincal backstory and history of hulls in it. What would you guys think of something like that? Would you be interested in buying some form of media completely devoted to technical backstory in EVE? Stuff like technical readouts, drawings, histories of hulls and their variants, that kind of thing? Just wondering!
+1
Oderint Dum Metuant
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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
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Posted - 2015.01.26 20:26:06 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something myself and CCP t0rfifrans have been talking about for some time now, some kind of ship inventory with a lot of techincal backstory and history of hulls in it. What would you guys think of something like that? Would you be interested in buying some form of media completely devoted to technical backstory in EVE? Stuff like technical readouts, drawings, histories of hulls and their variants, that kind of thing? Just wondering!
Only if it actually makes its way into the game at some point. |
SiKong Ma
House of Nim-Lhach Skeleton Crew.
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Posted - 2015.01.27 06:02:26 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something myself and CCP t0rfifrans have been talking about for some time now, some kind of ship inventory with a lot of techincal backstory and history of hulls in it. What would you guys think of something like that? Would you be interested in buying some form of media completely devoted to technical backstory in EVE? Stuff like technical readouts, drawings, histories of hulls and their variants, that kind of thing? Just wondering!
Most definitely will buy. However, please make it available for us in Southeast Asia. Quite a few of us have been trying to buy physical items like books etc but was unable to as you do not deliver to our countries previously (Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia and Thailand). |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
407
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Posted - 2015.01.27 07:36:37 -
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I'd buy that book. |
Tshilaba
AIFAM VERY BEST
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Posted - 2015.01.27 17:37:18 -
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The mechanical engineer in me would by 2 of those books. 1 to show other people and one to fap over. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.01.27 17:43:29 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:No promises of course This is just an idea that I'd suggested to CCP t0rfifrans a while back that we'd been talking about, as he's also a massive nerd when it comes to this kind of thing Good to see an initial positive reaction, although it'd need way more planning and investgation
As long as we get a lot more like that Algos cutaway, and you guys TAKE YOUR TIME and MAKE IT LOOK ******* GORGEOUS, I would gladly wait and pay all the money for a nice hardcover.
But if you guys were to do this, and it was rushed, and it looked like it was rushed, youd **** off ALOT of people.
Im patient and am willing to wait for quality.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4551
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Posted - 2015.01.27 19:26:17 -
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Here are some interiors cross-sections:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/TauCabalander/hurricane.png http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/TauCabalander/myrmidon.png
I've seen one other, but I forgot to save it |
Syri Taneka
NOVA-CAINE
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Posted - 2015.01.28 03:21:07 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something myself and CCP t0rfifrans have been talking about for some time now, some kind of ship inventory with a lot of techincal backstory and history of hulls in it. What would you guys think of something like that? Would you be interested in buying some form of media completely devoted to technical backstory in EVE? Stuff like technical readouts, drawings, histories of hulls and their variants, that kind of thing? Just wondering!
Does this kind of thing exist? WIS is one thing, but this sort of technical lore would add many layers to EVE's "realness". |
Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
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Posted - 2015.01.28 03:57:07 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:No promises of course This is just an idea that I'd suggested to CCP t0rfifrans a while back that we'd been talking about, as he's also a massive nerd when it comes to this kind of thing Good to see an initial positive reaction, although it'd need way more planning and investgation As long as we get a lot more like that Algos cutaway, and you guys TAKE YOUR TIME and MAKE IT LOOK ******* GORGEOUS, I would gladly wait and pay all the money for a nice hardcover. But if you guys were to do this, and it was rushed, and it looked like it was rushed, youd **** off ALOT of people. Im patient and am willing to wait for quality.
Not empty quoting.
Vote Sabriz!
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Artuard Envien
Bonanza Excavation
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Posted - 2015.01.28 05:27:27 -
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Nah, would not buy. I already got the collectors edition. We were supposed to get more stuff for free. Still waiting. |
Whittorical Quandary
The Asteroid is Depleted
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Posted - 2015.01.28 06:30:59 -
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Would be nice to have some storyline info added, having internal ship bridge views would be nice, but with the amount of ships in game, would be impossible to have many unique appearances, unless it were possible to procedurally generate ones... maybe...
Losing ship crews is a sad thing but it is a harsh loss one of my 4+ clones is completely willing to take.
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