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Shadime
State Protectorate Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2015.01.19 14:35:02 -
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Minmatar= Icelandic.
For sure... Just take a ride around rural iceland and ports... |

Dradis Aulmais
By Light and Banner's Fallen
637
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Posted - 2015.01.19 18:15:50 -
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Caldari are more Ayn rand capitalist then American capitalist.
Gallente are a Jeffersonian republic with strong European influences
Amarr a modern day roman catholic empire
Minmtarr are I see as Israelis fighting for their right to exist as free people
My opinion nothing more won't debate. |

Joe Starbreaker
Star Frontiers Test Alliance Please Ignore
10
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Posted - 2015.01.19 18:52:15 -
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Provence Tristram wrote:Interestingly, while I see a lot of European influence in the races, there's absolutely none that I look at and say "that's America." Maybe that was intentional on the part of CCP, but I don't get strong U.S. overtones from either the Caldari or the Gallente (the two most likely candidates), and there aren't enough diehard Christians left in America to make us the Amarr (plus, I challenge you to find any upstanding modern American who would willingly associate us with slavery, outside a historical context).
Remember that the game is developed in Europe (at least originally). The "lore" used to always refer to the Gallente the way that Europeans think of themselves. They were into "democracy" and "human rights" when, to most non-European eyes, they were really all about self-indulgent moral license and probably a Euro-style bureaucracy. The game also usually described Caldari the way that Europeans think about Americans -- they were described as "corporate" and hard working but without the sort of arts or leisure that Europeans consider to be civilized. I was sure that the game designers intended it to be Gallente = European and Caldari = American.
Over the years I noticed a softening of this bias, probably to make the game more broadly appealing. Yes, they nerfed the lore.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19427
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Posted - 2015.01.19 19:15:40 -
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Shadime wrote:Minmatar= Icelandic.
Judging by the system names in Minny space, id say this is accurate.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
861
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Posted - 2015.01.19 21:50:34 -
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Provence Tristram wrote:
Caldari: Germans. No question about this one. Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe, and has increasingly traded its abandoned Prussian stoicism for rampant commercialism run-amuck.
Personally I see the Caldari as a warning of what corporate America could eventually turn the country into. It's well on it's way already.
Sabriz for CSMX!
Consider voting Tora as well.
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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
861
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Posted - 2015.01.19 21:52:23 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Shadime wrote:Minmatar= Icelandic. Judging by the system names in Minny space, id say this is accurate.
Is this why CCP seems to love the Minmattar ships so much? Hmmm.
Sabriz for CSMX!
Consider voting Tora as well.
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Provence Tristram
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2015.01.19 23:26:07 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Provence Tristram wrote:
Caldari: Germans. No question about this one. Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe, and has increasingly traded its abandoned Prussian stoicism for rampant commercialism run-amuck.
Personally I see the Caldari as a warning of what corporate America could eventually turn the country into. It's well on it's way already.
I, for one, welcome our new corporatocratic overlords. If they were actually competent, it would be a nice change of pace. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6112
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Posted - 2015.01.19 23:36:19 -
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Provence Tristram wrote:This isn't meant to be a hit-piece of a thread, and I would hope that people can behave themselves.
However, it occurred to me that, since I started playing EVE back in 2004, I have constantly heard the Gallente referred to as 'the French,' and that -- during that same time -- I have kind of come to see the other nations as being tied to real-world nationalities. This is my list, as I see EVE's geopolitical and cultural landscape:
Gallente: I don't just view them as French, per se, but western European as a whole. I think they embody just as many elements of modern Dutch and Belgian culture, as well as even some aspects of British liberalism (their ships also, for whatever reason, remind me a bit of British naval architecture in the First World War, though I cannot lay my finger on why), as they do France.
Amarr: They're Byzantine Imperials. It just fits: a Roman/Christian homogenization that embraced widespread slavery, simultaneously hell bent on spreading the word of God via force, and constantly battling what were seen as 'unruly masses' on all fronts. The only thing that doesn't work is that the Amarr themselves look Scandavian to me, which obviously wouldn't fit. Culturally, however, it's mostly a lock... though I think the more puritanical aspects of the Amarr also remind me a bit of the South African Boers of the late 19th century.
Caldari: Germans. No question about this one. Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe, and has increasingly traded its abandoned Prussian stoicism for rampant commercialism run-amuck.
Minmatar: I went back and forth on this one. I think they are either post-Nixon China (an ethnically-diverse, rising power eager to flex its new muscle on a world stage), or possibly someplace like Vietnam (a little guy who shocked a superpower).
Interestingly, while I see a lot of European influence in the races, there's absolutely none that I look at and say "that's America." Maybe that was intentional on the part of CCP, but I don't get strong U.S. overtones from either the Caldari or the Gallente (the two most likely candidates), and there aren't enough diehard Christians left in America to make us the Amarr (plus, I challenge you to find any upstanding modern American who would willingly associate us with slavery, outside a historical context).
I've been playing since 2006 and have seen countless attempts to equate facets of the Eve empires to RL societies.
EVERY one of them failed.
And I too have tried.
There is simply no way to place Eve's empires with RL societies. Are the Amarr the bible-thumpers of the USA's bible belt? Or maybe the Russian Orthodoxy? Or maybe it's Islam? Nobody has been able to figure that. Are the Gallente the Americans? The storyline of the Gallente says no (they are descended from space-faring Frenchmen) and while the Federation might share a "federated system of representation" the structure is too loosely defined to beg it to any western democracy. What of the Caldari? According to Eve lore (lower case l) Caldari are a mix of Finnish and... Japanese?? How could that happen? Hey, Japan, we have a rocket here in Finland. Wanna join us on the trip? We have room and we hear you people are smaller. Yet the thing with Tiberius Heth would suggest that the "Caldari are like the Germans of the 1930s hurrr durrrr". Meanwhile the Minmatar use Germanic mythology in their naming schemes. What, are these Norwegians who settled on really hot sunny planets and after 23K years of baking in it have taken on a rather dark pigment (which WOULD happen, by the way). Or are the Minmatar more like the Palestinians? Or maybe the Israelis?
It never works out. I just play the game and leave that stuff aside. Makes it more simple and since I can't fit a ship right to save my life (or clones) I have enough trouble.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29553
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Posted - 2015.01.20 00:17:27 -
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Yeah, I think of Caldari as the gaming master race.
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Serene Repose
2111
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Posted - 2015.01.20 01:49:20 -
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I'm among those who are unaware of what we do unconsciously. Were you to rephrase and ask "consciously", that would be a "no".
EDIT: After some thought - to know what one does subconsciously, however, involves a few very expensive sessions with an expert at tracking down such things. It just so happens I am one such expert, and would gladly be willing to offer in-game psycho-therapy sessions to any player (for a negotiated price) to be conducted in sessions using in-game voice. Should anyone be interested in plumbing the depths of their virtual subconscious minds, just drop me a line with "Plumbing The Depths" as the subject. I'll be happy to schedule you.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1337
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Posted - 2015.01.20 03:03:08 -
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Gallente system names have a French spin (Chantrouuse, Osmomonne, Trossere, Vittenyn etc etc) and Caldari system names are distinctly Japanese (Yoma, Keno, Hakonen, Nikkishina etc etc) .
... just saying |

Zach Lemmont
Hoplite Brigade
7
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Posted - 2015.01.20 06:11:37 -
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I always envisioned the caldari of a cross-hybrid between the japanese/koreans and US capitalism on steroids. It's a nation of super corporations essentially, which really gives me the feel of US capitalism going overboard and basically ruling the nation instead of the governments. Japanese/Korean because from what i've read on the caldari they have superior work ethic! |

Matar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.20 08:30:27 -
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Another Posting Alt wrote:Matar! Matar! Matar! OY! OY! OY!
Yeah? |

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.01.20 08:46:22 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:The Gallente = The French. Their ships look French. They look French. I bet their CQ smells of Number 5 and baguettes and it looks French. Liberte, fraternite and all that good stuff... Thorax as flying baguette? Number 5 is for grannies. I will never fly galls ships anymore wihtout lol. Wanna fraternite with my antimatter?
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.
I am the night. I'm Bantam.
More exploration in exploration
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
851
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Posted - 2015.01.20 09:01:36 -
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To me they are mix and match of RL nations, especially if you count in bloodlines. That's not to mention that some Empires have traits that are better associated with certain stages of historical process not associated with particular nation or place. |

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.01.20 09:26:12 -
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"Scattered survivors forgot the old world". Even if new eden nations have some resemblance to earth folks, they are not them.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.
I am the night. I'm Bantam.
More exploration in exploration
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Nakito Kobara
Yamagata Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.01.20 13:34:14 -
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Amarr-Vatican Caldari-German/Japanese Gallente- French Minmatar-African |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 14:16:33 -
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Minmatar = Narn Amarr = Centauri Gallente = Minbari Caldari = Humans Jovian = Vorlons Sleepers = Shadows |

Silver Grab
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.20 15:31:43 -
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Nm not getting into this one |

Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.20 15:33:01 -
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Nakito Kobara wrote:Amarr-Vatican Caldari-German/Japanese Gallente- French Minmatar-African Amarr-Saudi Royal Family
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Ilany
Nightingale Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:03:51 -
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It's difficult to unconsciously make an association when you know what CCP consciously intended, at least originally.
Luminaire (VI) was colonised by French settlers from Tau Ceti, so it kind of follows that the Gallente have a French flavour, even if other elements of the Federation do not.
What's interesting is that until CCP added the Eastern Asian bloodlines, the only non-Caucasian group was the Brutor... but even now there's no Arabic or South Asian groups. Did the Indians never make it into space? |

Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
567
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:23:12 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Meanwhile the Minmatar use Germanic mythology in their naming schemes. What, are these Norwegians who settled on really hot sunny planets and after 23K years of baking in it have taken on a rather dark pigment (which WOULD happen, by the way). Or are the Minmatar more like the Palestinians? Or maybe the Israelis?
Minmatar aren't all black. Brutor are. Or were. Anyone can be any skin tone now. It is kind of bizarre that only Minmatar have people with African features though. I guess the Gallente/Caldari/Amarr home worlds were much less environmentally diverse somehow. But anyway, I doubt the people of the year AD 8061 (the year the EVE gate closed) will resemble present day racial and national divisions at all. Maybe some neo-primative human stuck on Matar, after all technology was wiped out by the collapse, found a hard copy of some Norse mythology text and took it seriously. Meanwhile someone on the original Amarr world found a copy of the Christian Bible/the Quran/futuristic equivalent. I dunno, I haven't read through the lore much. You can make up all kinds of scenarios though. Maybe there is a big revival of the original European religions in our near future, and a lot of people from Europe settle on Mars, and solidify old Norse stuff as the culture of Mars, and eventually travel through the EVE gate and settle on Matar, and get cut off from one another without technology and evolve distinct appearances. Of course people don't start getting back into space again until AD 21290... so they'd have to retain this neo-Norse culture for 13,000 years. lol.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5716
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Posted - 2015.01.21 01:31:17 -
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Ilany wrote:What's interesting is that until CCP added the Eastern Asian bloodlines, the only non-Caucasian group was the Brutor... but even now there's no Arabic or South Asian groups. Did the Indians never make it into space?
Maybe the Indian cultural groups became what we knew as "Jove"?
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Dradis Aulmais
By Light and Banner's Fallen
645
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Posted - 2015.01.21 01:35:11 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Ilany wrote:What's interesting is that until CCP added the Eastern Asian bloodlines, the only non-Caucasian group was the Brutor... but even now there's no Arabic or South Asian groups. Did the Indians never make it into space? Maybe the Indian cultural groups became what we knew as "Jove"?
Would explain why the disappeared they are just keeping us on hold. |

Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
461
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Posted - 2015.01.22 01:46:53 -
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This is an example of a conversation that started out kind of slow, then fizzled out altogether. 
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
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Justin Zaine
127
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Posted - 2015.01.22 08:16:45 -
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I am Canadian. Also Gallente. Not a coincidence. |

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.01.22 08:37:32 -
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Justin Zaine wrote:I am Canadian. Also Gallente. Not a coincidence. and you live in Quebec by any chance?
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Meanwhile the Minmatar use Germanic mythology in their naming schemes. What, are these Norwegians who settled on really hot sunny planets and after 23K years of baking in it have taken on a rather dark pigment (which WOULD happen, by the way). It would take ONLY 6k years to change our skin color. So it is possible. It would be like nordic matars were enslaved by some religious mix of amarrians with byzantine rite. In our history nordic mercenaries protected Byzantium from dangers...
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.
I am the night. I'm Bantam.
More exploration in exploration
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Justin Zaine
127
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Posted - 2015.01.22 11:31:03 -
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Quote:And you live in Quebec by any chance?
Thankfully not, it was the worst driving experience of my life. |

Seven Koskanaiken
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.01.22 13:16:51 -
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Gallente = EU - liberal with quietly underlying fascism Caldari = Japan/S. Korea/China - lassaiz faire economy, collectivist culture Amarr = USA - after Palin/Santorum are elected Minmatar = Third World |

Vladimir Strelkov
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.01.22 15:17:04 -
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Gallente = USA+England+France+Germany Caldari = China+India Amarr = Russian Empire :) Minmatar = Islamic Caliphate |
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