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Provence Tristram Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 40	Posted - 2015.01.18 10:38:39 - [1] - Quote This isn't meant to be a hit-piece of a thread, and I would hope that people can behave themselves. However, it occurred to me that, since I started playing EVE back in 2004, I have constantly heard the Gallente referred to as 'the French,' and that -- during that same time -- I have kind of come to see the other nations as being tied to real-world nationalities. This is my list, as I see EVE's geopolitical and cultural landscape: Gallente: I don't just view them as French, per se, but western European as a whole. I think they embody just as many elements of modern Dutch and Belgian culture, as well as even some aspects of British liberalism (their ships also, for whatever reason, remind me a bit of British naval architecture in the First World War, though I cannot lay my finger on why), as they do France. Amarr: They're Byzantine Imperials. It just fits: a Roman/Christian homogenization that embraced widespread slavery, simultaneously hell bent on spreading the word of God via force, and constantly battling what were seen as 'unruly masses' on all fronts. The only thing that doesn't work is that the Amarr themselves look Scandavian to me, which obviously wouldn't fit. Culturally, though, it's a lock. Caldari: Germans. No question about this one. Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe, and has increasingly traded its abandoned Prussian stoicism for rampant commercialism run-amuck. Minmatar: I went back and forth on this one. I think they are either post-Nixon China (an ethnically-diverse, rising power eager to flex its new muscle on a world stage), or possibly someplace like Vietnam (a little guy who shocked a superpower). Interestingly, while I see a lot of European influence in the races, there's absolutely none that I look at and say "that's America." Maybe that was intentional on the part of CCP, but I don't get strong U.S. overtones from either the Caldari or the Gallente (the two most likely candidates), and there aren't enough diehard Christians left in America to make us the Amarr (plus, I challenge you to find any upstanding modern American who would willingly associate us with slavery).
Another Posting Alt Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 34	Posted - 2015.01.18 11:03:59 - [2] - Quote Matar! Matar! Matar! OY! OY! OY!
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 8544	Posted - 2015.01.18 11:08:44 - [3] - Quote <-----colonial era space Roman Catholic empire "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 370	Posted - 2015.01.18 11:55:30 - [4] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: <-----colonial era space Roman Catholic empire The Spanish Inquisition. Starring Ralph King-Griffin as "Torturemada" ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 270	Posted - 2015.01.18 12:08:42 - [5] - Quote No.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 14530	Posted - 2015.01.18 12:09:36 - [6] - Quote Caldari = America. Profits before everything else. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
J'Poll Green Skull LLC 5579	Posted - 2015.01.18 12:26:09 - [7] - Quote Jove = American. We dont like our looks so we go to the plastic surgeon to fix it all. Too the point we dont look human anymore and when we laugh, we automatically shrug our shoulders. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Solecist Project Weapons of Mass Distraction 19500	Posted - 2015.01.18 12:34:59 - [8] - Quote Nope. Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D Come along now, come along with me and I'll eeaasee your pain..
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 999	Posted - 2015.01.18 12:42:35 - [9] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Caldari = America. Profits before everything else. Was gonna say this as well. Unless OP means 1940's Germany in which case I could see the resemblance My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Mag's the united 18756	Posted - 2015.01.18 12:50:24 - [10] - Quote No. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Provence Tristram Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 41	Posted - 2015.01.18 12:52:58 - [11] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: baltec1 wrote: Caldari = America. Profits before everything else. Was gonna say this as well. Unless OP means 1940's Germany in which case I could see the resemblance I mean Germany in general -- I think the Caldari State reflects both the more militant German culture of the 1860s-1940s (well, Prussia until 1871), and also embodies the post-WW2 banker state that we see now. Today's Germany essentially dominates the European economy by providing loans and bailouts, as well as serving as the biggest exporter of products to local nations, particularly in Eastern Europe. The Spartan elements of Caldari culture line up VERY well with Junker-dominated German values, particularly from 1871-1918, but also stretching up through 1945. By contrast, that's not a trait I would assign to America. We're innovative, and definitely are dominated by corporate interests, but we're also lazy and easily bored -- neither of which are personality quirks embraced by the Caldari State.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 5698	Posted - 2015.01.18 13:01:17 - [12] - Quote I've always viewed Amarrians as the most "USA-like" of the empires: an economy based on slave labour, ultra-religious, ultra-fanatical about everything they do. The Caldari seem more like the Japanese to me: the entire culture is about what the individual can do for the corporation. The Gallente are secular French to the extreme, no doubt about it. The Minmatar seem to me to be more like New Zealand: racially diverse, intelligent, driven by thirst for adventure. Though New Zealanders are sheep shaggers GÇª so what does that make Minmatar? Day 0 Advice for New Players
Varathius Blood Fountain Massacre LOADED-DICE 147	Posted - 2015.01.18 13:02:04 - [13] - Quote Provence Tristram wrote: This isn't meant to be a hit-piece of a thread, and I would hope that people can behave themselves. However, it occurred to me that, since I started playing EVE back in 2004, I have constantly heard the Gallente referred to as 'the French,' and that -- during that same time -- I have kind of come to see the other nations as being tied to real-world nationalities. This is my list, as I see EVE's geopolitical and cultural landscape: Gallente: I don't just view them as French, per se, but western European as a whole. I think they embody just as many elements of modern Dutch and Belgian culture, as well as even some aspects of British liberalism (their ships also, for whatever reason, remind me a bit of British naval architecture in the First World War, though I cannot lay my finger on why), as they do France. Amarr: They're Byzantine Imperials. It just fits: a Roman/Christian homogenization that embraced widespread slavery, simultaneously hell bent on spreading the word of God via force, and constantly battling what were seen as 'unruly masses' on all fronts. The only thing that doesn't work is that the Amarr themselves look Scandavian to me, which obviously wouldn't fit. Culturally, however, it's mostly a lock... though I think the more puritanical aspects of the Amarr also remind me a bit of the South African Boers of the late 19th century. Caldari: Germans. No question about this one. Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe, and has increasingly traded its abandoned Prussian stoicism for rampant commercialism run-amuck. Minmatar: I went back and forth on this one. I think they are either post-Nixon China (an ethnically-diverse, rising power eager to flex its new muscle on a world stage), or possibly someplace like Vietnam (a little guy who shocked a superpower). Interestingly, while I see a lot of European influence in the races, there's absolutely none that I look at and say "that's America." Maybe that was intentional on the part of CCP, but I don't get strong U.S. overtones from either the Caldari or the Gallente (the two most likely candidates), and there aren't enough diehard Christians left in America to make us the Amarr (plus, I challenge you to find any upstanding modern American who would willingly associate us with slavery, outside a historical context). Gallente as western Europeans ? You trolling or something ??? Ever heard of the Spanish and Portuguese conquistadores ? they were (next to the British of course) some of the most pro-Slaves nations in the history of the universe. Not to mention, the Spanish especially killed everything and asked questions later, if even... The Portuguese had a great time however making babies with their slaves in their colonies, thus, Brazil was born. Doesn't sound like Gallente to me lol. Amarr as Scandinavian looking? I can agree with the rest you wrote about Amarr but Scandinavian looking, haha...well, perhaps in latest 20 years or so with that middle eastern immigration wave they have, they actually might. Caldari: I think Caldari fits Murica much better. Yes, Germany is the EU powerhouse but they are too weak to give the lazy and corrupt EU nations the boot in the rear which deserve it, instead, they keep giving them more money. That sound like the Caldari to you? Minmatar. As you described them, you rather reminded them to me as South Americans. Basically, South America could be a super power but it manages to fail at it constantly due to corruption, old laws written 300+ years ago that haven't changed, and the current own military productions they have are mostly sold to themselves, their neighbor's or to 3rd World Countries due to it being meh war material.
Provence Tristram Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 41	Posted - 2015.01.18 13:04:00 - [14] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: I've always viewed Amarrians as the most "USA-like" of the empires: an economy based on slave labour, ultra-religious, ultra-fanatical about everything they do. Do you live here?... because... I gotta tell you... ultra-religious? Not anymore. And... an economy based on slave labor? By the way, while you're living a century and a half ago, can I borrow your time machine? I'd like to make some changes. I've always had this fantasy about preventing WWI...
Nimrod vanHall No Vacancies 111	Posted - 2015.01.18 13:17:17 - [15] - Quote I see the Caldari as a Japanese , Korean fusion , joined by Some (Dutch) multinationals. I see the Galente as the Europeaan Union. I see the Amarr as a super mighty Iran I see the Minmatar as the Brazille / India
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 56100	Posted - 2015.01.18 13:20:45 - [16] - Quote I always thought that Amarr was some kind of twisted version of Amarrica. Like, if the Confederates had won the civil war and went full imperialistic after that. Gallente and Caldari: Like France and England in the 100 year's war..that's why Gallente have the heavily armored short range ships (knights) and Caldari focus on range instead (longbowmen). I don't think Caldari resemble Germany very much..I mean, yeah, a totalitarian dictatorship, but then again, the power lies with the corporations, there is no strong central state dictating all commerce. The Caldari feel more like a 1984ish dystopia, not an actual state. Minmatar: not a real geographical state, more of a social caste that revolts against their oppressors. Space proletarians or something like that. I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 192	Posted - 2015.01.18 13:28:24 - [17] - Quote Quote: Caldari: Germans. No question about this one. Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe, and has increasingly traded its abandoned Prussian stoicism for rampant commercialism run-amuck. and japanese (some of the hulls are named after their mythology) and baltec1 wrote: Caldari = America. mohawks and military marks after RL army on navy hulls. Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears. I am the night. I'm Bantam. More exploration in exploration
Provence Tristram Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 41	Posted - 2015.01.18 13:33:14 - [18] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: I always thought that Amarr was some kind of twisted version of Amarrica. Like, if the Confederates had won the civil war and went full imperialistic after that. Sold. THIS? This I can buy. Quote: Gallente and Caldari: Like France and England in the 100 year's war..that's why Gallente have the heavily armored short range ships (knights) and Caldari focus on range instead (longbowmen). Uh... militarily? Sure. Culturally the Caldari are nothing like Britain. But I like where you're going with this.
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 56102	Posted - 2015.01.18 13:43:19 - [19] - Quote After giving it a little more thought, I think that Minmatar could actually resemble (surprise!) Germany. Not the modern Germany though, but the ancient Germanic tribes that were subjugated by the Romans and then bounded together in a lose alliance to fight them. Look at all those names for their ships, hailing from nordic mythology... I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Foxicity Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 109	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:19:00 - [20] - Quote I always pictured the Matari as a civilization that rose from the ashes of a Mad Max-like post-apocalyptic Jamaica. Conquering out all the bandits to build a civilization that would eventually take to the skies.
Blobskillz McBlub Manson Family Advent of Fate 20	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:29:05 - [21] - Quote minmatar are black space vikings caldari are a japanese / german mix gallente are a Frrench / USA mix Amarr are the space Vatikan
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 33280	Posted - 2015.01.18 14:30:12 - [22] - Quote Provence Tristram wrote: I mean Germany in general -- I think the Caldari State reflects both the more militant German culture of the 1860s-1940s (well, Prussia until 1871), and also embodies the post-WW2 banker state that we see now. Today's Germany essentially dominates the European economy by providing loans and bailouts, as well as serving as the biggest exporter of products to local nations, particularly in Eastern Europe. did you ever wonder, where do banks get so much money, that everyone is in debt to them ? the simple answer is they don't They "legally" make new money whenever they give out a loan
Solecist Project Weapons of Mass Distraction 19549	Posted - 2015.01.18 15:22:25 - [23] - Quote Hengle Teron wrote: Provence Tristram wrote: I mean Germany in general -- I think the Caldari State reflects both the more militant German culture of the 1860s-1940s (well, Prussia until 1871), and also embodies the post-WW2 banker state that we see now. Today's Germany essentially dominates the European economy by providing loans and bailouts, as well as serving as the biggest exporter of products to local nations, particularly in Eastern Europe. did you ever wonder, where do banks get so much money, that everyone is in debt to them ? the simple answer is they don't They "legally" make new money whenever they give out a loan Imagine how good we would have it ... ... if fake authority wouldn't force us to throw money away all the time ... ... and our traitorous governments wouldn't support them. Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D Come along now, come along with me and I'll eeaasee your pain..
J'Poll Green Skull LLC 5581	Posted - 2015.01.18 15:32:48 - [24] - Quote Nimrod vanHall wrote: I see the Caldari as a Japanese , Korean fusion , joined by Some (Dutch) multinationals. I see the Galente as the Europeaan Union. I see the Amarr as a super mighty Iran I see the Minmatar as the Brazille / India And THAT is why I picked Caldari Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Gilan Isana Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 11	Posted - 2015.01.18 15:42:37 - [25] - Quote Interesting question / article. Was thinking this a few days ago while mildly daydreaming during the last hour of work. . . . . I dont think it can be as clear cut as 'one EVE race = One RW race / Nationality, but rather an amalgam of different nationalities from different time periods. Amarr - has a bit of a feel of 'age of exploration' conquistadors -perhaps in the back story, but also much akin to Japan in the 30's/ and 40's an era where they walked out of the league of nations and held strong imperialist designs while having a 'cult' psudo-religion based around the emperor, many of the 'great works' of Japan in that time were built on the backs of slave labor using POW, or citizens of subjugated 'inferior' countries (eg the burma railway). There are several examples throughout history where religion and royalty/leaders have become fused - Ancient Egypt, Charlemagne and the holy roman empire, Spanish conquistadors/inquisition era, through to modern day examples of the arabian peninsula and North Korea. Summing up, I think the Amarr are meant to represent this theme of the tie up of state and religion, but very difficult to give an exact country. Caldari - That said, Caldari naming of systems, certainly has a japanese/korean/chinese flavor in the language. Though I can see the caldari more akin to the rise of the British empire where many overseas conquests were carried out by companies, and these companies held more power than the throne ( East india company - India ; West India company - carribean), until finally being subjugated back under the crown. Dont think the Caldari state is docile. I think like the earlier british example, the state owns a share and stake in most of the companies while allowing them to pursue their own paths. A more modern day example of caldari could well be america where it often seems that the mega-corporations have more power than the government and choose the president, lets face it, we all know the oil industry paid for Bush Jr presidency!!! Here, there are several other possible examples through time where the company is more powerful than the state, which is the model for caldari. Gallente - I think I agree with earlier comments regarding Gallente and western Europe. The back story actually states they are descended from french colonists, (this can be seen with naming conventions of the systems in gallente space having a strong 'Gallic' flavor) - though again I think more akin to the whole of western Europe - right from the renaissance, through to modern times. Digging further back, the models for gallente would be routed in the Greek 'BC' city states and the later (though pre-christian) roman empire copy thereof, with their foundations in democracy and expansions in philosphy, art and science. Gallente are the idea of democratic state, where freedom of the individual comes first, above state, above religion, and above corporation. Throughout history again, there are many attempts at this kind of 'government' from a small tribal scale to some of the largest nations we have today, but then as Winston Churchill once said "Democracy is the worst form of government - except for all the others that have been tried!" Minmatar - Clearly the Min are linked to all oppressed masses that have broken the shackles of their masters, ranging from the Isrealites under Egypt, through the many European Tribes at the breakdown of the roman Empire, and countless other freedom from oppression movements through the ages - usually involving breakdown of empires, through to the freedom of slaves in the western world, with a touch of the repatriation and rights of the indigenous peoples of the Americas and Australia. The one that most sticks in my mind as a representation of the Min is the post Russian revolution, in that all too brief period before the rise of the communist dictators and the 'party', with a hint thrown in of everyone that has ever been freed by an oppressing power. In conclusion, I think it is wrong to try to link any particular EVE race with a direct real world counterpart, but rather see them all as an amalgam of ideals and representations of several countries/tribes/nations throughout the long development of human history.
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 486	Posted - 2015.01.18 16:15:03 - [26] - Quote No. Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 7587	Posted - 2015.01.18 16:28:21 - [27] - Quote Primary This Rifter wrote: No. This. Or maybe I'm just kissing ass to get into a little bee corp. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Mina Sebiestar Mactabilis Simplex Cursus 819	Posted - 2015.01.18 16:31:28 - [28] - Quote nope
Plug in Baby Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber 253	Posted - 2015.01.18 16:46:48 - [29] - Quote Amarr = USA, monotheistic, slavery etc.. Minmatar = Africa, tribal themes, slavery Caldari = Germany (early 20th century) rise of nationalism, great military and industrial strength (could also be japan) Gallente = Western Europe - civil liberties, mix and match, french themes. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 564	Posted - 2015.01.18 19:45:47 - [30] - Quote Obviously. Caldari reminds of USA with its corporate rule and Japan with its tough corporate structure/life. Caldari also feels very militarized, again drawing to mind USA. Look at all those buzzcuts/hightops. Its like a race of Guiles. Caldari also has an air of efficiency, which always brings to mind Germany. But then the system names also remind me of Finnish sometimes, with lots of vowels and doubled letters. Maybe that's just meant to sound Japanese. Gallente is what the USA always claims to be. Their ships are too form over function though. USA is generally about function and being cost effective. Cost effective to build anyway. Not necessarily to run. Profit margins. Churn and burn. Gallente is obviously meant to be French with those system names... Also, if you are born as a Frenchie in the real world, you receive an innate +1 to artsyness, it's a fact. Being a French artist is basically cheating. And Gallente ships and structures are definitely the most artsy fartsy of the factions. I don't know how the Mesopotamian god names fit in. Just sounds cool I guess. The rivalry between Gallente/Caldari highlights the German influence in Caldari I guess. Amarr brings to mind the USA with its slavery and (ongoing) racism. The USA is also still very religious compared to other western nations. Politicians are always trying to use religious junk as the basis for laws, and Presidents still end every communication with God bless America. USA conquests generally come down to gaining influence and profit though, rather than religious conquest. The nation just wasn't around early enough to get in on all the hardcore religious conquest. A religious sheen is applied to gain support from a certain subset of the population. Then again, there was the whole idea of manifest destiny, justified expansion from shore to shore, and eradication of the Godless "savages" during the country's founding. Sounds like Amarr. But Amarr obviously also brings to mind the Roman Empire. The Confessor brought some new design language to Amarr ships - tiled patterns. This reminds me of Ottoman art and I hope to see more of it, or even a total replacement of the floral patterns with tiles. Much better looking. For me, Amarr is just all peoples who have been under the influence of the Abrahamic religions. And as if that wasn't off-putting enough, CCP added slavery and racism on top. Minmatar was originally supposed to have a Maori influence but I'm not sure that ever came though much. I guess the new tattoos hit on that a bit, particularly with all the chin-pieces. And maybe the ship designs too. Sails, paddles, brown color. Minmatar were slaves, and used to be the only faction with black people, so American slavery will often come to peoples' minds. Then there is the heavy Norse influence in the names of ships and some systems even. Minmatar seems the most eclectic, even though going by the descriptions you would assume Gallente would be. Minmatar I prefer to see as all "pagans", "heathens", and "godless savages" throughout the world and throughout time.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3656	Posted - 2015.01.18 19:51:22 - [31] - Quote Varathius wrote: (...) Ever heard of the Spanish and Portuguese conquistadores ? they were (next to the British of course) some of the most pro-Slaves nations in the history of the universe. Not to mention, the Spanish especially killed everything and asked questions later, if even... The Portuguese had a great time however making babies with their slaves in their colonies, thus, Brazil was born. Doesn't sound like Gallente to me lol.(...). I wonder if you ever heard of that... only 10% of all Spaniard colonists were women, and they usually were married women traveling overseas to meet their husbands. So, care to guess how did all that 90% of single male colonists marry and reproduce...? This is why Latin America is full of non-white people, whereas most of Northern America is full of non-American people. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3656	Posted - 2015.01.18 20:12:01 - [32] - Quote On topic: I've always figured the Amarran as Spanish of the imperial age. Religious zealotry? Check. Conquerors? Check. Assimilators rather than exterminators? Check. Exploiters and slavers "for the good of the infidels"? Check. The Caldari, I see them as Japanese souls in German bodies. The Gallente, they're somewhat French. In my mind they stand for the humanist values of Western civilization. Minmatarr, they are a loose bolt. They were CCP's favorite race, but they pretend to be so many things that they end up being nothing in my mind. Admittedly, I don't think that being "tribal" is a positive thing, though... Contrary to most of the opinions here, I don't see any empire as being (US) American. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Ma'Baker McCandless The McCandless Clan 35	Posted - 2015.01.18 20:38:00 - [33] - Quote How's about Nah Y'all
Yarda Black Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 536	Posted - 2015.01.18 22:27:40 - [34] - Quote Amarr : Western conservatism & religious Gallente : Western liberalism & hedonistic Caldari: Asian Minmatar: African The way I feel they resemble
Frank Millar The Scope Gallente Federation 1695	Posted - 2015.01.18 22:36:52 - [35] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Caldari = America. Profits before everything else. At this point in time, that's the whole of the "western civilisation". Imho. Default Caldari names are a weird Finnish/Asian mix. Gallente names have a French ring to them. That's all I've got.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 912	Posted - 2015.01.18 22:41:56 - [36] - Quote No. Remove insurance. This thread is the reason, why CCP should stop advertising any aspect of EVE PvE
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 31177	Posted - 2015.01.18 23:42:34 - [37] - Quote If I unconcsciously do it, how do I know? (just being facetious) No. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 488	Posted - 2015.01.18 23:56:09 - [38] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Primary This Rifter wrote: No. This. Or maybe I'm just kissing ass to get into a little bee corp. Mr Epeen If that were the case you'd be wasting your time. I have no say in recruitment. Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
Snagletooth Johnson Aliastra Gallente Federation 220	Posted - 2015.01.19 00:11:32 - [39] - Quote Im proudly American centric Amarr are Demcrats Gallente are Republicans Caldari are Libertarians and the Minmitar are...well...every trailer park, ghetto and back alley dumpster in Amercia.
Johan Civire The Lyran Empire 941	Posted - 2015.01.19 00:20:25 - [40] - Quote Its a game can we move on and forget about politics, thats why we play game to "forget" the outside world to enjoy or virtual world something we never will do in or life "yet". And if you see this game like that i think you have real issues in real life. Perhaps a doctor can help you.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1333	Posted - 2015.01.19 00:24:35 - [41] - Quote I have always seen the Amarr with the ornate ships, religious zealotry and crusades and slavery as more Turkish/Middle Eastern.
Snagletooth Johnson Aliastra Gallente Federation 220	Posted - 2015.01.19 00:36:10 - [42] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: I have always seen the Amarr with the ornate ships, religious zealotry and crusades and slavery as more Turkish/Middle Eastern. Ive pointed out several times before Amarr is more closley tied to Byzantines/Persian/Ottoman Empires, but I always get shouted down by the SJW who insists Amarr are "Murican Southern Bible Thumpers, and thats why we hate them!"
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 8558	Posted - 2015.01.19 00:40:41 - [43] - Quote Blobskillz McBlub wrote: minmatar are black space Vikings caldari are a japanese / german mix space Vikings gallente are a Frrench / USA mix space Vikings Amarr are the space Vatikan space Vikings altered your post somewhat "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
45thtiger 0109 AL3XAND3R. 146	Posted - 2015.01.19 00:50:54 - [44] - Quote Nimrod vanHall wrote: I see the Caldari as a Japanese , Korean fusion , joined by Some (Dutch) multinationals. I see the Galente as the Europeaan Union. I see the Amarr as a super mighty Iran I see the Minmatar as the Brazille / India And people from Australia what would you associate them too ? You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good. Welcome to EvE OnLiNe
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 565	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:15:26 - [45] - Quote Snagletooth Johnson wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: I have always seen the Amarr with the ornate ships, religious zealotry and crusades and slavery as more Turkish/Middle Eastern. Ive pointed out several times before Amarr is more closley tied to Byzantines/Persian/Ottoman Empires, but I always get shouted down by the SJW who insists Amarr are "Murican Southern Bible Thumpers, and thats why we hate them!" Well the Amarr do have a lot of that fire and brimstone talk to them, particularly in promotional videos. I think people like to find present day matches for the factions. But yeah, all people have to do is look at the system names and NPC character names to see the inspiration for Amarr. There are no systems named Nascar or BuddahBeansNBiscuits.
Ria Nieyli Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 31103	Posted - 2015.01.19 02:40:05 - [46] - Quote Varathius wrote: Provence Tristram wrote: This isn't meant to be a hit-piece of a thread, and I would hope that people can behave themselves. However, it occurred to me that, since I started playing EVE back in 2004, I have constantly heard the Gallente referred to as 'the French,' and that -- during that same time -- I have kind of come to see the other nations as being tied to real-world nationalities. This is my list, as I see EVE's geopolitical and cultural landscape: Gallente: I don't just view them as French, per se, but western European as a whole. I think they embody just as many elements of modern Dutch and Belgian culture, as well as even some aspects of British liberalism (their ships also, for whatever reason, remind me a bit of British naval architecture in the First World War, though I cannot lay my finger on why), as they do France. Amarr: They're Byzantine Imperials. It just fits: a Roman/Christian homogenization that embraced widespread slavery, simultaneously hell bent on spreading the word of God via force, and constantly battling what were seen as 'unruly masses' on all fronts. The only thing that doesn't work is that the Amarr themselves look Scandavian to me, which obviously wouldn't fit. Culturally, however, it's mostly a lock... though I think the more puritanical aspects of the Amarr also remind me a bit of the South African Boers of the late 19th century. Caldari: Germans. No question about this one. Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe, and has increasingly traded its abandoned Prussian stoicism for rampant commercialism run-amuck. Minmatar: I went back and forth on this one. I think they are either post-Nixon China (an ethnically-diverse, rising power eager to flex its new muscle on a world stage), or possibly someplace like Vietnam (a little guy who shocked a superpower). Interestingly, while I see a lot of European influence in the races, there's absolutely none that I look at and say "that's America." Maybe that was intentional on the part of CCP, but I don't get strong U.S. overtones from either the Caldari or the Gallente (the two most likely candidates), and there aren't enough diehard Christians left in America to make us the Amarr (plus, I challenge you to find any upstanding modern American who would willingly associate us with slavery, outside a historical context). Gallente as western Europeans ? You trolling or something ??? Ever heard of the Spanish and Portuguese conquistadores ? they were (next to the British of course) some of the most pro-Slaves nations in the history of the universe. Not to mention, the Spanish especially killed everything and asked questions later, if even... The Portuguese had a great time however making babies with their slaves in their colonies, thus, Brazil was born. Doesn't sound like Gallente to me lol. Amarr as Scandinavian looking? I can agree with the rest you wrote about Amarr but Scandinavian looking, haha...well, perhaps in latest 20 years or so with that middle eastern immigration wave they have, they actually might. Caldari: I think Caldari fits Murica much better. Yes, Germany is the EU powerhouse but they are too weak to give the lazy and corrupt EU nations the boot in the rear which deserve it, instead, they keep giving them more money. That sound like the Caldari to you? Minmatar. As you described them, you rather reminded them to me as South Americans. Basically, South America could be a super power but it manages to fail at it constantly due to corruption, old laws written 300+ years ago that haven't changed, and the current own military productions they have are mostly sold to themselves, their neighbor's or to 3rd World Countries due to it being meh war material. Spot the angry German. As for the topic, no, I don't associate IRL countries with ingame ones.
Provence Tristram Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 44	Posted - 2015.01.19 04:06:15 - [47] - Quote Snagletooth Johnson wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: I have always seen the Amarr with the ornate ships, religious zealotry and crusades and slavery as more Turkish/Middle Eastern. Ive pointed out several times before Amarr is more closley tied to Byzantines/Persian/Ottoman Empires, but I always get shouted down by the SJW who insists Amarr are "Murican Southern Bible Thumpers, and thats why we hate them!" Nods I agree. As I said in my OP, they're the Byzantine Empire through and through.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1335	Posted - 2015.01.19 04:17:14 - [48] - Quote Provence Tristram wrote: Snagletooth Johnson wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: I have always seen the Amarr with the ornate ships, religious zealotry and crusades and slavery as more Turkish/Middle Eastern. Ive pointed out several times before Amarr is more closley tied to Byzantines/Persian/Ottoman Empires, but I always get shouted down by the SJW who insists Amarr are "Murican Southern Bible Thumpers, and thats why we hate them!" Nods I agree. As I said in my OP, they're the Byzantine Empire through and through. There is nothing about Amarr culture (other than slaves) that is even vaguely southern bible belt. 45thtiger 0109 wrote: And people from Australia what would you associate them too ? Well clearly being the "Great South Land" it is either Khanid or potentially Stain.
Badel Jramodarr 5209	Posted - 2015.01.19 04:42:39 - [49] - Quote I could but I don't. I associate their own game lore to the Empires and factions. I don't always have a signature; but when I do, it doesn't say anything at all ...I'm on a horse
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 225	Posted - 2015.01.19 04:59:17 - [50] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: I've always viewed Amarrians as the most "USA-like" of the empires: an economy based on slave labour, ultra-religious, ultra-fanatical about everything they do. Hard to make that case when America elected Obama twice and after watching a night of morality on American TV. While possibly true in 1880 after the Civil War, I associate America as in a transition from Caldari values of the 1950's to Minmatar as it embraces a slave morality. Wikipedia
Morihei Akachi Nishida Corporation 157	Posted - 2015.01.19 05:33:38 - [51] - Quote Provence Tristram wrote: Amarr: They're Byzantine Imperials. Brilliant. I have always associated the Amarr with the Roman Empire, but the Byzantines are so much better. Chapeau. Question for the loremakers at CCP, then: Do you feel at all inspired, when you're working on developments in the politics etc. of the Empires, by real-world histories of actual nations or groups of nations, such as the Byzantines? Or is New Eden so different, in your view, that when you're thinking about Amarrian or Caldari current events actual history doesn't seem very helpful? Your spirit is the true shield.
Nami Kumamato School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 485	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:20:30 - [52] - Quote The Caldari = Japan + Germany had a baby. There is no joke, the baby is currently hard at work to fulfill its quota. The Amarr = It's what would happen if you melted Christianity and Islam together then added a bit of Arianism for good measure. The Gallente = The French. Their ships look French. They look French. I bet their CQ smells of Number 5 and baguettes and it looks French. Liberte, fraternite and all that good stuff... Minmatar = Space thug-life.Word. " And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit - I never felt so good, I never felt so hid ! " - Ramona McCandless, Untitled
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3663	Posted - 2015.01.19 07:51:38 - [53] - Quote Morihei Akachi wrote: Provence Tristram wrote: Amarr: They're Byzantine Imperials. Brilliant. I have always associated the Amarr with the Roman Empire, but the Byzantines are so much better. Chapeau. Question for the loremakers at CCP, then: Do you feel at all inspired, when you're working on developments in the politics etc. of the Empires, by real-world histories of actual nations or groups of nations, such as the Byzantines? Or is New Eden so different, in your view, that when you're thinking about Amarrian or Caldari current events actual history doesn't seem very helpful? Please, make a list of nations conquered, enslaved and converted by Byzantium... oh wait: the whole history of Byzantium is that of a long and painful decadence until final disintegration. Imperial Spain is the perfect match, I tell you. Plus, the ambient sound outside of Amarran stations is a dude speaking in Spanish. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Provence Tristram Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 45	Posted - 2015.01.19 07:56:18 - [54] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Morihei Akachi wrote: Provence Tristram wrote: Amarr: They're Byzantine Imperials. Brilliant. I have always associated the Amarr with the Roman Empire, but the Byzantines are so much better. Chapeau. Question for the loremakers at CCP, then: Do you feel at all inspired, when you're working on developments in the politics etc. of the Empires, by real-world histories of actual nations or groups of nations, such as the Byzantines? Or is New Eden so different, in your view, that when you're thinking about Amarrian or Caldari current events actual history doesn't seem very helpful? Please, make a list of nations conquered, enslaved and converted by Byzantium... oh wait: the whole history of Byzantium is that of a long and painful decadence until final disintegration. Imperial Spain is the perfect match, I tell you. Plus, the ambient sound outside of Amarran stations is a dude speaking in Spanish. I think the word you're looking for is 'decline.' It's a bit difficult to have a long and painful decadence. Having said that, the Byzantine Empire actually fluctuated in size for a long time. It shrank, regrew, shrank again, blossomed once more during the Crusades, and then finally met its end. Still, it was longer-lived than the Roman Empire, surviving for nearly a thousand years. I think you give them too little credit.
erg cz Tribal Core Defiant Legacy 129	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:23:17 - [55] - Quote Gallente = EU without Iberia and Balkans + Central / Nothern Russia Caldari = USA + Japan @ China including Eastern Russia. Amarr = Islamic state, including southern Russia (Caucasus), Northern Africa, Iberia (Spain) and Balkans Matar = Disorganised Africa and Southern america. Jove = Antarktida
Vyl Vit 1017	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:49:18 - [56] - Quote What I found most intriguing about this thread (so far) was everyone's image of all these places. I'm sure the extreme stereotyping is in the spirit of fun, and fiction. Yet, I can see the hand of highly generalized (unoffending) public school history classes and "the movie" media influences. Especially interesting were the: Caldari - corporate/militaristic like the U.S. and Japan Being United Statesian I see where this is coming from, though I haven't actually looked at a gun in 46 years. I haven't seen a soldier or a military haircut in over twenty. Japan's culture is often mistaken for strict corporatese, when it's in fact very rigidly social. Minmatar - black militants humorously, though I've often wondered why the Brutor are decidedly black, but the Vherokior are decidedly east Asian. This does smack of stereotype from the Vikings of Iceland (not surprsingly). Amarr - I think trying to avoid the term "fascist" and the heavy duty censorship of some words makes them difficult to extemporize about. The slave issue...re: the Minmatar stereotype...interesting mix. Gallente - When you'd think racially the Caldari would be Western Europe, this bunch was repeatedly picked for that. They remind me of eastern Europe, however. Not quite European. Not quite Asian. (This, too, is probably a minefield set around a scape of egos.) The similarities can't help but be noticed. The intentions had to be the best possible given the circumstances. I was directly involved in the Civil Rights Movement in the deep south of the U.S. (Alabama). One of the founders of the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee (SNCC, or "Snick") once told me: Everybody's racially prejudiced, but only white people in the U.S. can be racist, because racism is having the institutional power to enforce one's racial prejudice. I thought that was an interesting distinction for Mr. Carmicheal to make. I think it's nervy and commendable of CCP (probably because it is so nervy) to dance around these lines of distinction to create our marvelous EVE back story and landscape. The politically correct among us might do well to bear in mind, it's more dangerous to toy with freedom of expression than it is to say things some people may take the wrong way. Anyone with any sense has already left town.
Silmas Feanarius iFly Holdings 32	Posted - 2015.01.19 10:32:32 - [57] - Quote Personally, I always thought like this: Caldari: Japanese - Northern European, based on their names and also their culture of cold efficiency; Amarr: Holy Roman Empire (deluding themselves in being God-chosen, not quite as brilliant as the original Roman Empire, though the Byzantine is also a good fit); Minmatar: A mix of Chinese and Mexican freed slaves descended from African people. Gallente: The USA... if it was founded by Frenchmen instead of mostly Englishmen. Need more well-formatted linking. Swearing in Sardinian.
Alastair Ormand Running With Scissors. 119	Posted - 2015.01.19 10:54:45 - [58] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: The Minmatar seem to me to be more like New Zealand: racially diverse, intelligent, driven by thirst for adventure. Though New Zealanders are sheep shaggers GÇª so what does that make Minmatar? Fedo shaggers? Don't run with a stick in your mouth.
Shiva Linga Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.01.19 12:24:20 - [59] - Quote Amarr - Spaniards Gallente - Bosnians Caldari - Russia / Japan Minmatar - Afro-americans Sansha - Chinese Guristas - Serbians Angel - Germans Blood Raiders - Vikings Sisters of EVE - 'muricans (when youre a sistah, ur a sistah) Drones - Italians (they just fly about and bzzzzzzzz without much damage)
Deacon Abox Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 444	Posted - 2015.01.19 14:05:04 - [60] - Quote Nimrod vanHall wrote: I see the Caldari as a Japanese , Korean fusion , joined by Some (Dutch) multinationals. I see the Galente as the Europeaan Union. I see the Amarr as a super mighty Iran I see the Minmatar as the Brazille / India First off, associations of eve groups to rl ethnic/national groups will always be perilous. That being said: Oh no you dinnnt You shouldn't talk about a "Japanese Korean fusion." They are not the same. Read up on Asian history and try some current events news as well. Especially to a Korean, you equate and combine the two peoples and you should expect anywhere from a cold shoulder to punch in the nose. Some aspects of Japanese culture and place names obviously and I think admittedly (it's been a while since I read backstory material but I do remember some stated links) were used for Caldari. But other aspects might actually better fit Minmatar. As for Korean similarity to Caldari is superficial. The corporate conglomerates (Chaebols) are a rather recent development in Korea, and bump up against an older more Minmatar history also, imo. As for Mericuns, different aspects were parted out to Caldari, Gallente, and Amarr. Similarly for Germans between Gallente and Caldari. So much might depend on the time period or political bent of the reader. And actually I'll stop there because the exercise is somewhat pointless. However, if one moves away from rl nationalities, and more toward the thematic presentation of the Eve races themselves, the reflections to/on rl all becomes more interesting. I do love the amalgamation of religious fundamentalism that was used for the Amarr. It could deemed a reflection of such from either Islam, Christianity, or Judaiism. Additionally, all of them at one point or another condoned or tolerated slavery. It does suck though that Amarr is so wrapped up in it though. Few relish the chance to roll and role a space-faring slave-owning bad guy. I think the evolving Eve fiction has been trying ever since the beginning to loosen up the good/bad or rl group(ing) straightjackets it originally pegged the 4 races into. And ever since has been mightily trying to introduce more ambiguity to each. This is definitely a good thing. CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
Shadime State Protectorate Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.01.19 14:35:02 - [61] - Quote Minmatar= Icelandic. For sure... Just take a ride around rural iceland and ports...
Dradis Aulmais By Light and Banner's Fallen 637	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:15:50 - [62] - Quote Caldari are more Ayn rand capitalist then American capitalist. Gallente are a Jeffersonian republic with strong European influences Amarr a modern day roman catholic empire Minmtarr are I see as Israelis fighting for their right to exist as free people My opinion nothing more won't debate.
Joe Starbreaker Star Frontiers Test Alliance Please Ignore 10	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:52:15 - [63] - Quote Provence Tristram wrote: Interestingly, while I see a lot of European influence in the races, there's absolutely none that I look at and say "that's America." Maybe that was intentional on the part of CCP, but I don't get strong U.S. overtones from either the Caldari or the Gallente (the two most likely candidates), and there aren't enough diehard Christians left in America to make us the Amarr (plus, I challenge you to find any upstanding modern American who would willingly associate us with slavery, outside a historical context). Remember that the game is developed in Europe (at least originally). The "lore" used to always refer to the Gallente the way that Europeans think of themselves. They were into "democracy" and "human rights" when, to most non-European eyes, they were really all about self-indulgent moral license and probably a Euro-style bureaucracy. The game also usually described Caldari the way that Europeans think about Americans -- they were described as "corporate" and hard working but without the sort of arts or leisure that Europeans consider to be civilized. I was sure that the game designers intended it to be Gallente = European and Caldari = American. Over the years I noticed a softening of this bias, probably to make the game more broadly appealing. Yes, they nerfed the lore.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 19427	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:15:40 - [64] - Quote Shadime wrote: Minmatar= Icelandic. Judging by the system names in Minny space, id say this is accurate. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 861	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:50:34 - [65] - Quote Provence Tristram wrote: Caldari: Germans. No question about this one. Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe, and has increasingly traded its abandoned Prussian stoicism for rampant commercialism run-amuck. Personally I see the Caldari as a warning of what corporate America could eventually turn the country into. It's well on it's way already. Sabriz for CSMX! Consider voting Tora as well.
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 861	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:52:23 - [66] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Shadime wrote: Minmatar= Icelandic. Judging by the system names in Minny space, id say this is accurate. Is this why CCP seems to love the Minmattar ships so much? Hmmm. Sabriz for CSMX! Consider voting Tora as well.
Provence Tristram Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:26:07 - [67] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: Provence Tristram wrote: Caldari: Germans. No question about this one. Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe, and has increasingly traded its abandoned Prussian stoicism for rampant commercialism run-amuck. Personally I see the Caldari as a warning of what corporate America could eventually turn the country into. It's well on it's way already. I, for one, welcome our new corporatocratic overlords. If they were actually competent, it would be a nice change of pace.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6112	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:36:19 - [68] - Quote Provence Tristram wrote: This isn't meant to be a hit-piece of a thread, and I would hope that people can behave themselves. However, it occurred to me that, since I started playing EVE back in 2004, I have constantly heard the Gallente referred to as 'the French,' and that -- during that same time -- I have kind of come to see the other nations as being tied to real-world nationalities. This is my list, as I see EVE's geopolitical and cultural landscape: Gallente: I don't just view them as French, per se, but western European as a whole. I think they embody just as many elements of modern Dutch and Belgian culture, as well as even some aspects of British liberalism (their ships also, for whatever reason, remind me a bit of British naval architecture in the First World War, though I cannot lay my finger on why), as they do France. Amarr: They're Byzantine Imperials. It just fits: a Roman/Christian homogenization that embraced widespread slavery, simultaneously hell bent on spreading the word of God via force, and constantly battling what were seen as 'unruly masses' on all fronts. The only thing that doesn't work is that the Amarr themselves look Scandavian to me, which obviously wouldn't fit. Culturally, however, it's mostly a lock... though I think the more puritanical aspects of the Amarr also remind me a bit of the South African Boers of the late 19th century. Caldari: Germans. No question about this one. Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe, and has increasingly traded its abandoned Prussian stoicism for rampant commercialism run-amuck. Minmatar: I went back and forth on this one. I think they are either post-Nixon China (an ethnically-diverse, rising power eager to flex its new muscle on a world stage), or possibly someplace like Vietnam (a little guy who shocked a superpower). Interestingly, while I see a lot of European influence in the races, there's absolutely none that I look at and say "that's America." Maybe that was intentional on the part of CCP, but I don't get strong U.S. overtones from either the Caldari or the Gallente (the two most likely candidates), and there aren't enough diehard Christians left in America to make us the Amarr (plus, I challenge you to find any upstanding modern American who would willingly associate us with slavery, outside a historical context). I've been playing since 2006 and have seen countless attempts to equate facets of the Eve empires to RL societies. EVERY one of them failed. And I too have tried. There is simply no way to place Eve's empires with RL societies. Are the Amarr the bible-thumpers of the USA's bible belt? Or maybe the Russian Orthodoxy? Or maybe it's Islam? Nobody has been able to figure that. Are the Gallente the Americans? The storyline of the Gallente says no (they are descended from space-faring Frenchmen) and while the Federation might share a "federated system of representation" the structure is too loosely defined to beg it to any western democracy. What of the Caldari? According to Eve lore (lower case l) Caldari are a mix of Finnish and... Japanese?? How could that happen? Hey, Japan, we have a rocket here in Finland. Wanna join us on the trip? We have room and we hear you people are smaller. Yet the thing with Tiberius Heth would suggest that the "Caldari are like the Germans of the 1930s hurrr durrrr". Meanwhile the Minmatar use Germanic mythology in their naming schemes. What, are these Norwegians who settled on really hot sunny planets and after 23K years of baking in it have taken on a rather dark pigment (which WOULD happen, by the way). Or are the Minmatar more like the Palestinians? Or maybe the Israelis? It never works out. I just play the game and leave that stuff aside. Makes it more simple and since I can't fit a ship right to save my life (or clones) I have enough trouble. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 29553	Posted - 2015.01.20 00:17:27 - [69] - Quote Yeah, I think of Caldari as the gaming master race. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Serene Repose 2111	Posted - 2015.01.20 01:49:20 - [70] - Quote I'm among those who are unaware of what we do unconsciously. Were you to rephrase and ask "consciously", that would be a "no". EDIT: After some thought - to know what one does subconsciously, however, involves a few very expensive sessions with an expert at tracking down such things. It just so happens I am one such expert, and would gladly be willing to offer in-game psycho-therapy sessions to any player (for a negotiated price) to be conducted in sessions using in-game voice. Should anyone be interested in plumbing the depths of their virtual subconscious minds, just drop me a line with "Plumbing The Depths" as the subject. I'll be happy to schedule you. Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1337	Posted - 2015.01.20 03:03:08 - [71] - Quote Gallente system names have a French spin (Chantrouuse, Osmomonne, Trossere, Vittenyn etc etc) and Caldari system names are distinctly Japanese (Yoma, Keno, Hakonen, Nikkishina etc etc) . ... just saying
Zach Lemmont Hoplite Brigade 7	Posted - 2015.01.20 06:11:37 - [72] - Quote I always envisioned the caldari of a cross-hybrid between the japanese/koreans and US capitalism on steroids. It's a nation of super corporations essentially, which really gives me the feel of US capitalism going overboard and basically ruling the nation instead of the governments. Japanese/Korean because from what i've read on the caldari they have superior work ethic!
Matar Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.01.20 08:30:27 - [73] - Quote Another Posting Alt wrote: Matar! Matar! Matar! OY! OY! OY! Yeah?
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 193	Posted - 2015.01.20 08:46:22 - [74] - Quote Nami Kumamato wrote: The Gallente = The French. Their ships look French. They look French. I bet their CQ smells of Number 5 and baguettes and it looks French. Liberte, fraternite and all that good stuff... Thorax as flying baguette? Number 5 is for grannies. I will never fly galls ships anymore wihtout lol. Wanna fraternite with my antimatter? Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears. I am the night. I'm Bantam. More exploration in exploration
Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 851	Posted - 2015.01.20 09:01:36 - [75] - Quote To me they are mix and match of RL nations, especially if you count in bloodlines. That's not to mention that some Empires have traits that are better associated with certain stages of historical process not associated with particular nation or place.
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 193	Posted - 2015.01.20 09:26:12 - [76] - Quote "Scattered survivors forgot the old world". Even if new eden nations have some resemblance to earth folks, they are not them. Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears. I am the night. I'm Bantam. More exploration in exploration
Nakito Kobara Yamagata Syndicate 9	Posted - 2015.01.20 13:34:14 - [77] - Quote Amarr-Vatican Caldari-German/Japanese Gallente- French Minmatar-African
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9396	Posted - 2015.01.20 14:16:33 - [78] - Quote Minmatar = Narn Amarr = Centauri Gallente = Minbari Caldari = Humans Jovian = Vorlons Sleepers = Shadows
Silver Grab School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:31:43 - [79] - Quote Nm not getting into this one
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 226	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:33:01 - [80] - Quote Nakito Kobara wrote: Amarr-~~Vatican~~ Caldari-German/Japanese Gallente- French Minmatar-African Amarr-Saudi Royal Family
Ilany Nightingale Enterprises 26	Posted - 2015.01.20 21:03:51 - [81] - Quote It's difficult to unconsciously make an association when you know what CCP consciously intended, at least originally. Luminaire (VI) was colonised by French settlers from Tau Ceti, so it kind of follows that the Gallente have a French flavour, even if other elements of the Federation do not. What's interesting is that until CCP added the Eastern Asian bloodlines, the only non-Caucasian group was the Brutor... but even now there's no Arabic or South Asian groups. Did the Indians never make it into space?
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 567	Posted - 2015.01.20 23:23:12 - [82] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Meanwhile the Minmatar use Germanic mythology in their naming schemes. What, are these Norwegians who settled on really hot sunny planets and after 23K years of baking in it have taken on a rather dark pigment (which WOULD happen, by the way). Or are the Minmatar more like the Palestinians? Or maybe the Israelis? Minmatar aren't all black. Brutor are. Or were. Anyone can be any skin tone now. It is kind of bizarre that only Minmatar have people with African features though. I guess the Gallente/Caldari/Amarr home worlds were much less environmentally diverse somehow. But anyway, I doubt the people of the year AD 8061 (the year the EVE gate closed) will resemble present day racial and national divisions at all. Maybe some neo-primative human stuck on Matar, after all technology was wiped out by the collapse, found a hard copy of some Norse mythology text and took it seriously. Meanwhile someone on the original Amarr world found a copy of the Christian Bible/the Quran/futuristic equivalent. I dunno, I haven't read through the lore much. You can make up all kinds of scenarios though. Maybe there is a big revival of the original European religions in our near future, and a lot of people from Europe settle on Mars, and solidify old Norse stuff as the culture of Mars, and eventually travel through the EVE gate and settle on Matar, and get cut off from one another without technology and evolve distinct appearances. Of course people don't start getting back into space again until AD 21290... so they'd have to retain this neo-Norse culture for 13,000 years. lol.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 5716	Posted - 2015.01.21 01:31:17 - [83] - Quote Ilany wrote: What's interesting is that until CCP added the Eastern Asian bloodlines, the only non-Caucasian group was the Brutor... but even now there's no Arabic or South Asian groups. Did the Indians never make it into space? Maybe the Indian cultural groups became what we knew as "Jove"? Day 0 Advice for New Players
Dradis Aulmais By Light and Banner's Fallen 645	Posted - 2015.01.21 01:35:11 - [84] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: Ilany wrote: What's interesting is that until CCP added the Eastern Asian bloodlines, the only non-Caucasian group was the Brutor... but even now there's no Arabic or South Asian groups. Did the Indians never make it into space? Maybe the Indian cultural groups became what we knew as "Jove"? Would explain why the disappeared they are just keeping us on hold.
Pok Nibin Filial Pariahs 461	Posted - 2015.01.22 01:46:53 - [85] - Quote This is an example of a conversation that started out kind of slow, then fizzled out altogether. Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
Justin Zaine 127	Posted - 2015.01.22 08:16:45 - [86] - Quote I am Canadian. Also Gallente. Not a coincidence.
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 196	Posted - 2015.01.22 08:37:32 - [87] - Quote Justin Zaine wrote: I am Canadian. Also Gallente. Not a coincidence. and you live in Quebec by any chance? Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Meanwhile the Minmatar use Germanic mythology in their naming schemes. What, are these Norwegians who settled on really hot sunny planets and after 23K years of baking in it have taken on a rather dark pigment (which WOULD happen, by the way). It would take ONLY 6k years to change our skin color. So it is possible. It would be like nordic matars were enslaved by some religious mix of amarrians with byzantine rite. In our history nordic mercenaries protected Byzantium from dangers... Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears. I am the night. I'm Bantam. More exploration in exploration
Justin Zaine 127	Posted - 2015.01.22 11:31:03 - [88] - Quote Quote: And you live in Quebec by any chance? Thankfully not, it was the worst driving experience of my life.
Seven Koskanaiken Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 1396	Posted - 2015.01.22 13:16:51 - [89] - Quote Gallente = EU - liberal with quietly underlying fascism Caldari = Japan/S. Korea/China - lassaiz faire economy, collectivist culture Amarr = USA - after Palin/Santorum are elected Minmatar = Third World
Vladimir Strelkov Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:17:04 - [90] - Quote Gallente = USA+England+France+Germany Caldari = China+India Amarr = Russian Empire :) Minmatar = Islamic Caliphate
Owen Levanth Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration 365	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:19:00 - [91] - Quote No. Sadly, I know too much about history and RL nations, so it doesn't work. I can't even force myself to connect NE nations with real life, my far too rational mind just refuses to accept it. Thanks to owning EVE: Source, I also now too much about New Eden to make this work the other direction. Quite frankly, every time I read something like the OP, I have to cringe because it is so objectively wrong.
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2128	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:33:17 - [92] - Quote Owen Levanth wrote: No. Sadly, I know too much about history and RL nations, so it doesn't work. I can't even force myself to connect NE nations with real life, my far too rational mind just refuses to accept it. Thanks to owning EVE: Source, I also now too much about New Eden to make this work the other direction. Quite frankly, every time I read something like the OP, I have to cringe because it is so objectively wrong. 2015.01.22 15:19:21 ] (combat) leave thread Imagination - Owen Levanth - Wrecks
Gul Harat The Loner Souls 2	Posted - 2015.01.22 16:22:03 - [93] - Quote I don't see them as current RL nations but rather as entities evolved around ideas and lifestyles of groups in 18th and 19th century. Amarr are confederates from US civil war. Gallente are unionists from US civil war. Caldari are british east india company and other similar colonialists Minmatar are Africans nations: zulu, boers, as well as other tribes being used as source of work force/slaves
Flavan Not The Droids You're Looking For 11	Posted - 2015.01.26 11:40:01 - [94] - Quote Gallente are French (obviously) Caldari are American with their capitalist mindset, German with their efficiency and in the sense that they are a state built of bankers, but Finnish/Scandinavian in their system names Amarrian are Byzantine/Middle Eastern (n that they follow a religion I've no understanding of) Minmatar are like the juvenile delinquents rising up against, well, everything Serpentis are a Bond villain with spaceships And I couldn't help, when first reading about the ISIL/ISIS mob in Syria, thinking they sound like Goons on a rampage Flavan of Ardene Director Not The Droids You're Looking For
jurgen b Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.26 12:53:22 - [95] - Quote Provence Tristram wrote: This isn't meant to be a hit-piece of a thread, and I would hope that people can behave themselves. However, it occurred to me that, since I started playing EVE back in 2004, I have constantly heard the Gallente referred to as 'the French,' and that -- during that same time -- I have kind of come to see the other nations as being tied to real-world nationalities. This is my list, as I see EVE's geopolitical and cultural landscape: Gallente: I don't just view them as French, per se, but western European as a whole. I think they embody just as many elements of modern Dutch and Belgian culture, as well as even some aspects of British liberalism (their ships also, for whatever reason, remind me a bit of British naval architecture in the First World War, though I cannot lay my finger on why), as they do France. Amarr: They're Byzantine Imperials. It just fits: a Roman/Christian homogenization that embraced widespread slavery, simultaneously hell bent on spreading the word of God via force, and constantly battling what were seen as 'unruly masses' on all fronts. The only thing that doesn't work is that the Amarr themselves look Scandavian to me, which obviously wouldn't fit. Culturally, however, it's mostly a lock... though I think the more puritanical aspects of the Amarr also remind me a bit of the South African Boers of the late 19th century. Caldari: Germans. No question about this one. Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe, and has increasingly traded its abandoned Prussian stoicism for rampant commercialism run-amuck. Minmatar: I went back and forth on this one. I think they are either post-Nixon China (an ethnically-diverse, rising power eager to flex its new muscle on a world stage), or possibly someplace like Vietnam (a little guy who shocked a superpower). Interestingly, while I see a lot of European influence in the races, there's absolutely none that I look at and say "that's America." Maybe that was intentional on the part of CCP, but I don't get strong U.S. overtones from either the Caldari or the Gallente (the two most likely candidates), and there aren't enough diehard Christians left in America to make us the Amarr (plus, I challenge you to find any upstanding modern American who would willingly associate us with slavery, outside a historical context). je suis belg, GALLENTE PAWA \o/
jurgen b Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.26 12:57:33 - [96] - Quote Vladimir Strelkov wrote: Gallente = USA+England+France+Germany Caldari = China+India Amarr = Russian Empire :) Minmatar = Islamic Caliphate i would say Gallente EU -- Caldari = bleu suits - NA -- Amarr - Middle east and mimatar - South Africa why South Africa and this is not as a insult, South African people they can build anything out of scraps and make it work as well. i mean this as something positif they are inventors.
Red Khalmer Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan 33	Posted - 2015.01.26 13:42:49 - [97] - Quote I relate the following races to these places. Amarr- USA Minmatar- Europe This is how I imagine these two races in eve. but why do I do that? Just by the fact that minmatar militia are almost inheriently EU timezone based and Amarr militia is mostly US timezone based. This is what makes it so interesting, what makes it so that EU people join the Minmatar side and the US people to attract to the Amarr side? What are the cultural difference that makes one place pick more of one race than the other? or was it just random coincidences in the beginning of faction warfare that made it so? I cannot answer this but it intrigues me a lot. Would be awesome to get data on the different factions militia and where they are geographically located.
Erufen Rito The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 356	Posted - 2015.01.26 17:52:16 - [98] - Quote A long time ago, a friend told me that the Minmatar were the space Mexicans. I can confirm, for I flew minmatar for a while. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 367	Posted - 2015.01.26 19:51:47 - [99] - Quote Gallente can NOT be French. They would be flying white flags and recoil in horror at the mention of bath soap...

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