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Vendrin
Caldari
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.22 22:22:00 -
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APEX Unlimited is announcing its movement of operations to the Lonetrek/Placid border. We have determined that it is in our best interests and those of the Caldari State to provide continual aid to the Intaki people, whether it be military or economic. As such, we will endeavor to provide both by aiding Placid Reborn and the NOVA Alliance in anti-pirate patrols, as well as employing Intaki in well-paying jobs, and working to stimulate the market in the Placid Region.
We understand these goals will not be easy to complete, nor will they be short term, but we are committied to providing the best services we can to the Intaki people.
We as a corporation have no wish to violently overthrow the current goverment that rules the Intaki people, nor will we seek to support any such movements within the Intaki region, unless such a time comes that the Federation and the Caldari State are at war. Our goals in the region are to promote peace and prosperity, and give aid to those the Federation seems intent on pushing aside.
Thank you for your time.
-Vendrin Latanis
Chief Executive Officer
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Jalia Kovac
Placid Reborn
Placid Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.22 22:34:00 -
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We look forward to your presence here and shall enjoy working alongside you towards those stated aims.
► ► Placid Reborn Headquarters ◄ ◄ |
Vanzer
Minmatar
Black Rock Services
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Posted - 2006.09.23 00:18:00 -
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Good luck in this endevor, Vendrin. If anyone can help to bring stability to the placid region, it will be the upstanding members of APEX Unlimited.
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Nolin Riis
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Posted - 2006.09.23 03:52:00 -
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Excellent news. I hope to fly with you guys again soon.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.23 03:58:00 -
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This is a step in the right direction for APEX. Better than staying in the Directive.
Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com |
Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2006.09.23 06:13:00 -
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I'm not speaking officially for Cyrene, but I look forward to seeing you in Placid. The more corps fighting piracy, the better.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
Gilead's Bullet
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.23 19:33:00 -
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I assume that, should the State ever call, you'll be ready to come home?
--------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans
Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
byahahahahaha!11 Sig Pwnt - Immy |
Vendrin
Caldari
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.23 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
I assume that, should the State ever call, you'll be ready to come home?
Positioning ourselves along the Lonetrek/Placid Border allows us to position ourself in both State and Placid space. We haven't left the State.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
Gilead's Bullet
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.24 00:22:00 -
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Good to hear.
--------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans
Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
byahahahahaha!11 Sig Pwnt - Immy |
Dark Avatar
Caldari
Mordu's Elite
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Posted - 2006.09.24 12:14:00 -
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Good Luck, Vendrin
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Helpdesk
Caldari
The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.24 16:04:00 -
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Why waste money and time on this poor region with no future at all?
Stating you're a pro-Caldari corporation that supports the Intaki makes my job of keeping Caldari space clean of foreigners even harder... Give them the feeling they are wanted here?!
It has been proven all along that we don't need any Intaki to get the State to a higher level. In fact, all these foreigners only leech off the States wealthy resources and send the money straight to their home-regions.
It's time Caldari spaces becomes space for those who it is intended: Caldarians!
Should you disagree with me, which you probably will, I wish you best of luck in the Placid region. Just don't come crawling back to Caldari space should you need new ships, modules, food, which Placid are all lacking.
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Eden Ramani
Gallente
INTAKI UNION
3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.24 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Helpdesk
Why waste money and time on this poor region with no future at all?
Stating you're a pro-Caldari corporation that supports the Intaki makes my job of keeping Caldari space clean of foreigners even harder... Give them the feeling they are wanted here?!
It has been proven all along that we don't need any Intaki to get the State to a higher level. In fact, all these foreigners only leech off the States wealthy resources and send the money straight to their home-regions.
It's time Caldari spaces becomes space for those who it is intended: Caldarians!
Should you disagree with me, which you probably will, I wish you best of luck in the Placid region. Just don't come crawling back to Caldari space should you need new ships, modules, food, which Placid are all lacking.
something to point out, and I'm not saying things are black and white but APEX are not helping the Intaki people by supporting Placid Reborn.
Placid Reborn have time and again said they are pro-Federation. Apex are allied with and helping a group dedicated to the Federation. Any help to the Federation is both a detriment to the Intaki and at least an affront to the State who holds the Federation in open contempt.
it is sad to see any group work with the Federation, I am sorry to see APEX take this course but at least you publicly announced your goals and I thank you for not trying to treacherously remains a standard for the Caldari and Intaki people.
fly safe, but remember Placid Reborn is considered Hostile to 3FA and its allies in the Intaki Syndicate Region. If you fly with them you will most likely be shot at, which would be a shame.
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Tatsue Nuko
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.09.24 17:26:00 -
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Question:
Originally by: Vendrin
We as a corporation have no wish to violently overthrow the current goverment that rules the Intaki people, nor will we seek to support any such movements within the Intaki region, unless such a time comes that the Federation and the Caldari State are at war. Our goals in the region are to promote peace and prosperity, and give aid to those the Federation seems intent on pushing aside.
...in other words, you are content to be the Federation's agent in the continued suppression of Intaki?
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Jon Engel
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.24 17:35:00 -
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So Jalia has popped too many Goons, and now 3fa is obliging them with a kill on sight standing?
Let's not forget, Corporations who are in 3fa arent exactly concerned with the betterment of the Intaki people.
And to HelpDesk, A sizable populace of Intaki has lived in the Caldari State since it's founding. Formed Mordus Legion, quashed a rebellious act of Genocide against Intaki. They serve in the Navy, they serve in the Governmental bodies of the State. Yes, Intaki are as much a part of the Caldari State as a rambling Civire looking for some Nationalist rabble to spout about the Evils of foreigners.
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Eden Ramani
Gallente
INTAKI UNION
3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.24 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Eden Ramani on 24/09/2006 17:45:52
Originally by: Jon Engel
So Jalia has popped too many Goons, and now 3fa is obliging them with a kill on sight standing?
not at all. Two things landed Placid Reborn on the KOS list I was told.
1. Jalia shot at one of us
2. they are Race Traitors and enemies of at least one 3FA corp
Originally by: Jon Engel
Let's not forget, Corporations who are in 3fa arenÆt exactly concerned with the betterment of the Intaki people.
that is not true, there are many neutrally aligned corporation in 3FA but also those who do care. you don't spend years and years working with the Intaki and not get to know them. not to mention Intaki Union, the only Separatist Corporation of Pod Pilots that i know of, is a proud resident of the Syndicate and currently a member of the 3FA.
Edit: I would like to see Tatsue's question answered if possible, I too am curious about that section of post. thank you.
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Helpdesk
Caldari
The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.24 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
And to HelpDesk, A sizable populace of Intaki has lived in the Caldari State since it's founding. Formed Mordus Legion, quashed a rebellious act of Genocide against Intaki. They serve in the Navy, they serve in the Governmental bodies of the State.
Yes, a small part of the Intaki stood up and fought against the Gallenteans, that doesn't mean the Intaki are capable of living next to the Caldari though. In fact, they caused so much trouble when they did with their old Gallentean habbits, that they were indeed driven out of the cities.
Some of them went to that Mordu guy and since then left the State. Because they were useful to the State at one point, they were offered a place within the Navy, but they refused.
Know that the only reason why Mordu's Legion is now succesful is because the leadership is in capable hands: Caldari hands. That you use Intaki who are not willing to fight for the freedom of their own homeworld as cannonfodder sounds like an efficient tactic.
In my opinion, they have no place in the Caldari Navy though, where they might gain access to important information.
If the Intaki want a place of their own, let them take the initiative. I see no reason to help get them away from their miserable systems unless they A: ask for it and B: offer us enough of a reward to make the whole operation worthwhile. Upfront.
Originally by: Jon Engel
Yes, Intaki are as much a part of the Caldari State as a rambling Civire looking for some Nationalist rabble to spout about the Evils of foreigners.
I absolutely agree. I am from the Deteis-bloodline by the way.
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Vendrin
Caldari
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.24 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Helpdesk
Why waste money and time on this poor region with no future at all?
People make their own future. The Caldari proved that when they broke away from the Federation. I see no reason not to offer that chance to the Intaki.
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Stating you're a pro-Caldari corporation that supports the Intaki makes my job of keeping Caldari space clean of foreigners even harder... Give them the feeling they are wanted here?!
Laughable. Being Caldari has never been about the blood that flows in your veins. It is about being devoted to the State.
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It has been proven all along that we don't need any Intaki to get the State to a higher level. In fact, all these foreigners only leech off the States wealthy resources and send the money straight to their home-regions.
No, we do not need the Intaki. But having more allies is always a wise thing.
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It's time Caldari spaces becomes space for those who it is intended: Caldarians!
Is Caldarians even a word? Caldari Space is for whoever the CEP says it is for. As I have not seen a ban of other races within Caldari Space I think the State still welcomes the myriad of it's trading partners.
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something to point out, and I'm not saying things are black and white but APEX are not helping the Intaki people by supporting Placid Reborn.
Ah yes, throwing the Intaki people, who for the most part are non-militant into an armed revolution would be the best thing for them. Your wisdom and insight humble me. Oh, wait, no they don't. They just remind me how much of a fool you are.
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Placid Reborn have time and again said they are pro-Federation. Apex are allied with and helping a group dedicated to the Federation. Any help to the Federation is both a detriment to the Intaki and at least an affront to the State who holds the Federation in open contempt.
While I can not officially speak for Placid Reborn, it is in my opinion that they are first and foremost dedicated to the Intaki People. Whatever minimal support the Federation gave, it was better then none. And certainly better then what your so called UNION provided.
However times and opinions chance, as does support for goverments. And do not dare to say what is an affront to the State. You are not Caldari, and have never even been a friend of the Caldari, so do not act as if you know.
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it is sad to see any group work with the Federation, I am sorry to see APEX take this course but at least you publicly announced your goals and I thank you for not trying to treacherously remains a standard for the Caldari and Intaki people.
Placid Reborn is not the Federation, and for all your hate of the federation it is a pity you do not attack them directly instead of weak industrial corporations loosely alligned with them. That way you might have been shut up once and for all.
If APEX supported the Federation's policies in Placid, we would not have to be their providing aid to the Intaki people. We are simply patient enough to know that open warfare is not always the best solution, and change can be wrought through econmic and social means.
You and your corporation are a joke, and always were. You are to shortsighted to ever be of aid to the Intaki people, and I am glad you have left the Intaki people in the hands of people who actually care about their future, like Placid Reborn does.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.24 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Vendrin
Quote:
Stating you're a pro-Caldari corporation that supports the Intaki makes my job of keeping Caldari space clean of foreigners even harder... Give them the feeling they are wanted here?!
Laughable. Being Caldari has never been about the blood that flows in your veins. It is about being devoted to the State.
That's not exactly the best comment for you to make Vendrin. Afterall, by helping strengthen Placid, after the large majority of Intaki have shown no real desire to leave the Federation, is only helping the Federation.
I doubt the State really cares to do the work the Federation can't be bothered to do. Even with the attempt on the life of one of their Idamas, who just happened to dislike the Federation, they were not compelled to action. It's very likely they don't mind their poor status anymore. In which case, you only harm the State by helping the Placid region.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour  - Immy
Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath
For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg |
Svanh Mickahl
Infinite Dreams Inc
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.25 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Vendrin
Laughable. Being Caldari has never been about the blood that flows in your veins. It is about being devoted to the State.
Vendrin I would agree with this statement completely. However your current position does raise a concern in my heart. You see if you where there to aid the insurgents that want to break free of the Gallante yoke, either to form their own state or to join the Caldari, then I would find your new direction most nobale and above reproach. However by allying yourslef with a group of Intaki that wish to make Placid a stronger part of the federation, you are in effect strengthening the Federation, an enemy of the State.
Now let me be clear, I am NOT making an accusations in this matter. Apex has always been a strong element in the defense of the State. I am saying that perhaps the long term ramifications of your current actions have not been explored, nor has the impression it can give to other.
Vendrin I would ask you to be cautios with this course of action and take some time to really look at the ramifications.
For limitless possibilities, you need Infinite Dreams
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Svanh Mickahl
CEO, Infinite Dreams |
Eden Ramani
Gallente
INTAKI UNION
3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.25 03:16:00 -
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Vendrin you are very angry man, there is no need to be so.
The simple fact is you support Placid Reborn who have many times openly announced they support the Federation. You then support the Federation, which is quite non-Caldari of you. The State has a û5.0 standing to the Federation, by helping its supporters you are flying in the face of openly and publicly stated standings registered by Concord. I donÆt have to be Caldari to read. It is contrary to the State to be allied with the Federation, it was decided by your own government.
As to the other part, well If we could declare war on the Federation we would, since we can't anymore than you can declare war on the State we have to be satisfied with wars against traitors and pro-Federation supporters or at least hunting them down in lawless space. If the time comes when we can declare war we will, to point out such a fallacy is a rather poor response and I expected better.
I am sorry you are so unhappy with your lot Vendrin but when you turn your back on the State you lose what little respect you had gained. You are just Team Javelin part two, which isnÆt so bad. Team Javelin at least are constant in their convictions and while they may walk a traitors path they at least are committed to it.
Well I wish you luck anyways, youÆll need it since the Federation doesnÆt treat its minorities with anything approaching equality.
Fly safe.
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Freedom Fighter Media Presents:Intaki History |
Nolin Riis
Gallente
Placid Reborn
Placid Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.25 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
That's not exactly the best comment for you to make Vendrin. Afterall, by helping strengthen Placid, after the large majority of Intaki have shown no real desire to leave the Federation, is only helping the Federation.
Originally by: Svanh Mickahl
However by allying yourslef with a group of Intaki that wish to make Placid a stronger part of the federation, you are in effect strengthening the Federation, an enemy of the State.
Originally by: Eden Ramani
The simple fact is you support Placid Reborn who have many times openly announced they support the Federation. You then support the Federation, which is quite non-Caldari of you.
Contrary to what you might believe, the Caldari State does not exist in an economic bubble. If you aren't compassionate enough to smypathize with the humanitarian side of aiding us Intaki, then I'll remind you that both our nations have cooperated in the past along our border. The trading routes there have been extremely profitable to both of us in systems such as Tierijev. Naturally, by promoting growth in nearby systems, this also helps the State. That is, unless you're too much of a patriot to sell goods across borders.
Originally by: Eden Ramani
Well I wish you luck anyways, youÆll need it since the Federation doesnÆt treat its minorities with anything approaching equality.
Yes, we could all really learn a thing or two about that from your Amarrian friends, couldn't we? And what's with this trepedation with the Caldari helping our people? Surely any direct aid from capsilers to civilian Intaki should transcend petty politics. Or does it just boil your blood to see more people helping out us 'race traitors?'
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Vanzer
Minmatar
Black Rock Services
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Posted - 2006.09.25 04:49:00 -
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Laughable. Being Caldari has never been about the blood that flows in your veins. It is about being devoted to the State.
Had it not been for people like Vendrin here, or Gorion of TKI, people like me would never have come to live in the State. Which means less revenue for the State and a weaker economy. And as you all should know, wars are most often won by the side with more ISK in their pockets.
I would think that having APEX putting it's own funds into protecting a Federation Territory is a slap in the face to any self respecting Gallente. Are they so poor in judgement and character that they need help from the Caldari? Can they not finance secruty themselves? I say this move shows, once and for all, what the State is made of, and what it can accomplish.
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Takitoo
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Posted - 2006.09.25 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
I assume that, should the State ever call, you'll be ready to come home?
The State called me. It said: "Oops. Wrong number."
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Jalia Kovac
Placid Reborn
Placid Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.25 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Eden Ramani
Placid Reborn have time and again said they are pro-Federation.
Not true. Time and time again you have erroneously called us pro-Federation. Our position is one of attempting to work with the federal bureaucracy for as long as there appears to be a reasonable chance at a diplomatic solution for Intaki self-determination and economic stability for the Placid region.
Originally by: Eden Ramani
not at all. Two things landed Placid Reborn on the KOS list I was told.
1. Jalia shot at one of us
I would like you to provide me with any evidence of this. I have taken great pains to not engage 3FA members when running operations with third parties. As an ex-member of a 3FA corporation I have at least that much respect. Since this appears to have been ignored, I would like to ask you to have Clipped Wings - a contact I feel I can trust - get in touch with me detailing our diplomatic credentials.
Originally by: Eden Ramani
2. they are Race Traitors and enemies of at least one 3FA corp
If you refer to yourselves, being the Amarr lap dogs that you are, your claim is a joke. If your blustering is a sufficient basis for 3FA declaring us KOS then I would like to hear as much from the representative I have chosen as an intermediary.
I would like to make it plain that no 3FA corps are red-flagged to Placid Reborn nor have they been. It seems that you would like to push us in another direction.
► ► Placid Reborn Headquarters ◄ ◄ |
Jalia Kovac
Placid Reborn
Placid Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.25 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Helpdesk
Why waste money and time on this poor region with no future at all?
Stating you're a pro-Caldari corporation that supports the Intaki makes my job of keeping Caldari space clean of foreigners even harder... Give them the feeling they are wanted here?!
It has been proven all along that we don't need any Intaki to get the State to a higher level. In fact, all these foreigners only leech off the States wealthy resources and send the money straight to their home-regions.
Many Intaki feel grateful for Caldari support, whether it be financial, military or simply an understanding of our plight. Intaki do not demand your money or your efforts. We respect what the State has achieved in forging its own destiny.
Once upon a time we even gave what little aid we could to ensure that you would have a home of your own and many fought under the banner of Mordu. Why do you seek to belittle us now?
► ► Placid Reborn Headquarters ◄ ◄ |
Helpdesk
Caldari
The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.25 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jalia Kovac
Why do you seek to belittle us now?
I don't seek to belittle you or your people. Some call me a pessimist, I prefer realist, but I don't see how the Placid region could ever put forward a well-respected trading-hub such as Jita and it's surrounding areas.
I am glad to see you are grateful for the Caldari support that was given, I in turn am happy that in history, the Intaki helped the State. However, it is my firm believe that we are 'even' now and the State would be better off closing it's borders from foreigners. Within our borders we have everything we need to survive and grow.
Having all these foreigners in our space only gives spies easy access to our superior technology which they can steal and adept to their own race so they don't look too similar and suspicious.
Examples you ask? But of course! A joint venture between various Caldari ship-designers lead to a massive cargo-transporter and guess what... as soon as a good base structure was found, the other empires sneaked up and made designs that looked awfully familiar. Coincidence? But of course!
Perhaps we should look at some much smaller, yet still highly advanced ships... Ishukone, for some reason not really my favourite corp, created the the first production level ship specifically built to take full advantage of the cloaking breakthroughs achieved by Project Mirage at Crielere. Others would follow rapidly. Especially the story on how the Thukker Tribe caught up so quickly is interesting. I'll leave it up to you to find out the details around it.
Please don't tell me foreigners are good for the Caldari economy. All they are good for is stealing our ore, our money and our superior technology.
Throwing out the overly corrupt and incapable CONCORD and closing the borders right behind them would be the wisest thing to do. You can have the liberals too, if you want.
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jinn'meh
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Posted - 2006.09.25 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: jinn''meh on 25/09/2006 18:06:52
((<----Eden Ramani's suicide alt, MHC is full of my corpses))
Originally by: Jalia Kovac
I would like you to provide me with any evidence of this. I have taken great pains to not engage 3FA members when running operations with third parties. As an ex-member of a 3FA corporation I have at least that much respect. Since this appears to have been ignored, I would like to ask you to have Clipped Wings - a contact I feel I can trust - get in touch with me detailing our diplomatic credentials.
since you are a race traitor i do not have to prove your duplicity. however since you asked:
2006.05.25 20:40
Victim: UtopianerDiplomat
Alliance: 3rd Front Alliance
Corp: Republic of Autonomic Freelancers
Destroyed: Executioner
System: MHC-R3
Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Carl Rouack
Security: 0.1
Alliance: Nova Republic
Corp: United Alliance
Ship: Thrasher
Weapon: 280mm Howitzer Artillery II
Name: dutchfighter (laid the final blow)
Security: 0.0
Alliance: Nova Republic
Corp: United Alliance
Ship: Harpy
Weapon: 125mm Railgun II
Name: Jalia Kovac
Security: 5.0
Alliance: None
Corp: Placid Reborn
Ship: Enyo
Weapon: 125mm Railgun II
Name: Archa
Security: 4.6
Alliance: Nova Republic
Corp: United Alliance
Ship: Purifier
Weapon: Cruise Missile Launcher II
Destroyed items:
Dual Light Beam Laser I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Capacitor Power Relay I
Gamma S
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2006.05.25 20:40
Victim: UtopianerDiplomat
Alliance: 3rd Front Alliance
Corp: Republic of Autonomic Freelancers
Destroyed: Capsule
System: MHC-R3
Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: dutchfighter (laid the final blow)
Security: 0.0
Alliance: Nova Republic
Corp: United Alliance
Ship: Harpy
Weapon: 125mm Railgun II
Name: Jalia Kovac
Security: 5.0
Alliance: None
Corp: Placid Reborn
Ship: Enyo
Weapon: 125mm Railgun II
Name: Archa
Security: 4.6
Alliance: Nova Republic
Corp: United Alliance
Ship: Purifier
Weapon: Cruise Missile Launcher II
You are an enemy of the 3FA by your own doing race traitor. You are on the KOS list, piracy is not a good look for you Jalia.
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Jalia Kovac
Placid Reborn
Placid Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.25 18:10:00 -
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An unfortunate mistake then. So be it, I will set standings to reciprocate accordingly since there appears to be no willingness to discuss it further.
Your claims of race traitor are laughable. Enjoy working with the weak-minded fools of INTAKI UNION.
► ► Placid Reborn Headquarters ◄ ◄ |
Father Abel
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.25 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Father Abel on 25/09/2006 19:00:49
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Not true. Time and time again you have erroneously called us pro-Federation. Our position is one of attempting to work with the federal bureaucracy for as long as there appears to be a reasonable chance at a diplomatic solution for Intaki self-determination and economic stability for the Placid region.
This is an internally incoherent claim. Self-determination is about who has the final say. Anything short of that is a charade. You cannot achieve this while still within the Federation framework. Because to remain within the framework is to concede the final say in your affairs to the Federation. Separatism is the only political statement that can claim to reject the authority of the Federation in favour of authority for your people.
Diplomatic resolution? To what end?
Your people already asked to be free. They were denied.
The Federation does not grant back the autonomy it has taken from its incorporated races. History has proven that.
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Father Abel - Lieutenant
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
"Private property makes a free man a free man." |
Kaleigh Doyle
Rho Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.09.25 19:12:00 -
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Citizens of the Federation are inherently free Abel, the only denial was redundancy.
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