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50freefly
Caldari Purify
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Posted - 2006.09.24 00:22:00 -
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Okay, I know lots of people like the Arbitrator, but I'm having a really hard time seeing any ways that it is better than the Vexor. Am I missing something?
Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right.
And they never meet.
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Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.24 00:29:00 -
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The Arbitrator has a bonus to tracking disruptors. That, unfortunately is pretty much the only advantage it has over the vexor.
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DubanFP
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.24 00:29:00 -
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extra mid-point, plus more CPU. . . hmmm can you say ECM?
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DubanFP
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.24 00:39:00 -
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oh and i wouldn't underestimate the power of a tracking disruptor with turret destabalization 4 AND a bonus
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr The Drekla Consortium New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.09.24 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP oh and i wouldn't underestimate the power of a tracking disruptor with turret destabalization 4 AND a bonus
I only fit TD's if I know what my opponent is flying usually.
Normally it's 2 multispec's for me... ---
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Soulis
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.24 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP oh and i wouldn't underestimate the power of a tracking disruptor with turret destabalization 4 AND a bonus
then you come up against a missile spammer.
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Arushia
TEK Inc. R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.24 07:04:00 -
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I like the sleek, symmetrical design of the Arbitrator over the Vexor's lopsidedness.
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BlackHorizon
Caldari Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.24 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: BlackHorizon on 24/09/2006 07:33:48 Edited by: BlackHorizon on 24/09/2006 07:31:22 The extra mid slot and CPU is a huge benefit over the vexor. The arbitrator is a LOT more versatile. The arbitrator also has a launcher slot the vexor doesn't. The vexor can't:
- be a sniper sentry drone boat effective up to 130km (3x omnidirectional tracking links with warden sentry drones) -- the arbi is the ONLY T1 cruiser that can snipe at 120-130km. - shield tank like a "nanoarbi" setup (2x large extenders with 2-4 nanos in the lows) - partipate in small-scale fleet operations like an arbitrator with T2 tracking disruptors (effective up to 110km with skills) - fit a probe launcher and still have a decent tank/mid slot layout - ECM with a typical AB/MWD, web, warp disruptor layout For PvP, the Arbitrator is better than the Vexor IMHO.
That said, the vexor with neutron blasters and 2 heavy 2 medium 1 light drone has the DPS of a battleship.
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Snikkt
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.24 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Arushia I like the sleek, symmetrical design of the Arbitrator over the Vexor's lopsidedness.
Fail.
The Vexor is Symmetricial, except for a small raised area on the top, and a set of 2 tubes instead of the one on the bottom. -------------------
If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Originally by: Aloysia Leyshon Shuttels are urban myth pure and simple. I've yet to see evidence of an actual shuttle.[/qu |
Clavius XIV
Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.24 07:32:00 -
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As has been mentioned the major advantage is the extra mid slot. This along with the tracking disruptor bonus allows it to be a better gang support ship than the Vexor.
The Vexor's superior grid, and hardpoints make it a better assault ship.
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50freefly
Caldari Purify
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Posted - 2006.09.24 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHorizon Edited by: BlackHorizon on 24/09/2006 07:31:22 The extra mid slot and CPU is a huge benefit over the vexor. The arbitrator is a LOT more versatile. The arbitrator also has a launcher slot the vexor doesn't. The vexor can't:
- be a sniper sentry drone boat effective up to 130km (3x omnidirectional tracking links with warden sentry drones) -- the arbi is the ONLY T1 cruiser that can snipe at 120-130km. - shield tank like a "nanoarbi" setup (2x large extenders with 2-4 nanos in the lows) - partipate in small-scale fleet operations like an arbitrator with T2 tracking disruptors (effective up to 110km with skills) - fit a probe launcher and still have a decent tank/mid slot layout - ECM with a typical AB/MWD, web, warp disruptor layout
That said, the vexor with neutron blasters and 2 heavy 2 medium 1 light drone has the DPS of a battleship.
Thank you, I've now decided to take the extra 2 days to train for the Arbitrator.
Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right.
And they never meet.
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Snikkt
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.24 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Clavius XIV As has been mentioned the major advantage is the extra mid slot. This along with the tracking disruptor bonus allows it to be a better gang support ship than the Vexor.
The Vexor's superior grid, and hardpoints make it a better assault ship.
Not to mention the Vexor has more Cargo space, Structure, armor, shielding, powergrid, capacitor, ect.
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If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Originally by: Aloysia Leyshon Shuttels are urban myth pure and simple. I've yet to see evidence of an actual shuttle.[/qu |
Anders Kraneled
Dark-Rising Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.24 07:37:00 -
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Heck I'm Caldari and I'm training for the Arbitrator. It just seems to do a lot of the things I'd want in a ship.
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Kharakan
Amarr GREY COUNCIL R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.24 08:35:00 -
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Arbitrator is a very good ship. I frequently use it in gangs and soloing on missions - you can't argue with 100km's of drones, because you can just sit on the acceleration gate and wait for your enemies to die =]
Next up! Cries of 'nerf amarr' and 'nerf arbitrator' now that we've got something useful and halfway decent
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Sardu Kar
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Posted - 2006.09.24 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Snikkt
Originally by: Arushia I like the sleek, symmetrical design of the Arbitrator over the Vexor's lopsidedness.
Fail.
The Vexor is Symmetricial, except for a small raised area on the top, and a set of 2 tubes instead of the one on the bottom.
?? what? You can't say something is symmetrical.... except for.....! Thats like saying the raven is symmetrical... except one side is different to the other.
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.24 09:29:00 -
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I love the vexor with a passion since I started flying it, the fact that it can anihilate thoraxes (the supposed king ship of cruiser pvp ) that being said I am training for an arbitraitor because everything I use the vexor for does not use medium hybrids, so loosing one high slot and one useless bonus for a bonus that might be useful and an extra midslot is honestly win win from my perspective
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Snikkt
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.24 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sardu Kar
Originally by: Snikkt
Originally by: Arushia I like the sleek, symmetrical design of the Arbitrator over the Vexor's lopsidedness.
Fail.
The Vexor is Symmetricial, except for a small raised area on the top, and a set of 2 tubes instead of the one on the bottom.
?? what? You can't say something is symmetrical.... except for.....! Thats like saying the raven is symmetrical... except one side is different to the other.
Hahahahaha. No.
The Raven is the most unsymmerticial thing since..Well.. Let's not go there.
The Vexor is relativly symmetricial, except for the two things I mentioned.
Only a close inspection reveals it as slightly unsymmetricial.
You can tell the raven is a lopsided ugly pile of junk from miles... Err... Km away. -------------------
If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Originally by: Aloysia Leyshon Shuttels are urban myth pure and simple. I've yet to see evidence of an actual shuttle.[/qu |
Cmdr Sy
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.09.24 18:05:00 -
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The stats are a bit dissimilar, Arbitrator lacking ~100 shield, armour and structure compared to the Vexor, and having somewhat lower Powergrid in favour of higher CPU.
But the close range setups are going to be very similar anyway - nos and small guns on highs, AB/tackling on mids, plated passive tank on lows.
The damage output is going to be virtually identical, and equally ECM resistant. So is the nossing potential. Where the Arbitrator wins is the stronger scramble or tracking disruption / ECM department courtesy of the extra mid slot, and where the Vexor wins is higher durability courtesy of the extra powergrid and low slot.
I already have Amarr Cruiser 5 and T2 EW specialised, so I can play to the Arbitrator's strengths. But I will still be taking the Vexor for a spin. They are both incredibly nice ships. I just wouldn't take one against the other, because that's a battle that can go either way.
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Queen Fellitia
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Posted - 2006.09.24 18:20:00 -
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i used to kill arbitrator even in a celestis! the only advantage vs a vexor is if the arbitrator have a couple of ecm
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OldPueblo
Gallente Defenders of Order New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.24 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: OldPueblo on 24/09/2006 18:48:22
Originally by: BlackHorizon The vexor can't:
- be a sniper sentry drone boat effective up to 130km (3x omnidirectional tracking links with warden sentry drones) -- the arbi is the ONLY T1 cruiser that can snipe at 120-130km.
What am I missing, why can't a vexor also fit 3x omni and warden sentry drones? And to snipe that far doesn't it take 4x omni? :p Three omni gets you to 100km optimal(25 falloff), four omni to 124km optimal(25 falloff).
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El'Tar
Caldari Royal Crimson Lancers
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Posted - 2006.09.24 18:55:00 -
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The moa can snipe fine above 150km+
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TheDevilsJury
principle of motion R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.24 19:28:00 -
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Tracking Disruptors and ECM are wonderful. I fit 1 or 2 TDs and 1 Caldari-Specific ECM, unless I know my enemy. Basically ECM and Nos are a wonderful combo.
I mean, think why the curse, pilgrim, and even the domi are so sucessful. The Arb is a "mini" version of those ships. ----------------------- sig below
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slothe
Caldari Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.24 19:29:00 -
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with the right setup vexor > ecm arby.
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OldPueblo
Gallente Defenders of Order New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.24 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: slothe with the right setup vexor > ecm arby.
Because its a mini domi!
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.09.24 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Arushia I like the sleek, symmetrical design of the Arbitrator over the Vexor's lopsidedness.
While the arbitor is 'sleek' and even, everthing is and that gets boring for me. The vexor is fairly refreshign to look at and appealing to the eye.
Ground tons of lvl2 missions in the vexor, was very pleasureable. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
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Dragy
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Posted - 2006.09.24 22:15:00 -
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what to say about arbitrator ? it's a good shooting target. it lasts 10secs (5 vollyes) with small blasters on a rax. with medium about 2 + drones of course.
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Arushia
TEK Inc. R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.25 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Snikkt
Originally by: Sardu Kar
?? what? You can't say something is symmetrical.... except for.....! Thats like saying the raven is symmetrical... except one side is different to the other.
Hahahahaha. No.
The Raven is the most unsymmerticial thing since..Well.. Let's not go there.
The Vexor is relativly symmetricial, except for the two things I mentioned.
Only a close inspection reveals it as slightly unsymmetricial.
You can tell the raven is a lopsided ugly pile of junk from miles... Err... Km away.
You can tell that from AU away. I know the vexor's asymmetry is slight, but it bothers me for some reason.
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Tribunal
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.25 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dragy what to say about arbitrator ? it's a good shooting target. it lasts 10secs (5 vollyes) with small blasters on a rax. with medium about 2 + drones of course.
You have not had the pleasure of fighting an arbitrator that is setup correctly then.I have taken my tech 2 geared thorax against BH's arbitrator and had my butt handed to me.
2 T2 tracking disrutors being targeted on your thorax means your small blasters will not be hitting the arbitrator, and your drone damage is laughable compared to the damage that an arbitrator's drones do. You will also not be tanking for very long considering your cap will not be able to sustain running your armor repairer and absorbing the drain of the arbitrator's NOSs.
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Caius Sivaris
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Posted - 2006.09.25 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Soulis
Originally by: DubanFP oh and i wouldn't underestimate the power of a tracking disruptor with turret destabalization 4 AND a bonus
then you come up against a missile spammer.
Well mine got both a tracking disruptor to mess with most ships of 3 races and an anti-Caldari ECM to deal with said missile spammers. IMHO better than 2 multispecs.
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Jazz Bo
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.25 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tribunal
Originally by: Dragy what to say about arbitrator ? it's a good shooting target. it lasts 10secs (5 vollyes) with small blasters on a rax. with medium about 2 + drones of course.
You have not had the pleasure of fighting an arbitrator that is setup correctly then.I have taken my tech 2 geared thorax against BH's arbitrator and had my butt handed to me.
2 T2 tracking disrutors being targeted on your thorax means your small blasters will not be hitting the arbitrator, and your drone damage is laughable compared to the damage that an arbitrator's drones do. You will also not be tanking for very long considering your cap will not be able to sustain running your armor repairer and absorbing the drain of the arbitrator's NOSs.
I don't think I'd have too much trouble hitting a webbed Arbi from 7km away with Null M and Electron or Ion Blasters. Going in to 500m and trying to hit one with Void would be stupid (but then I'm sure a lot of people try it anyway).
And to call the Thoraxes drone damage "laughable" compared to the Arbi's is a bit of an exaggeration... you get +50% drone damage at Cruiser V, it's hardly a monumental difference when you're talking Medium Drones.
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