That's not how PvP works. If it can be shot at, you can bet your ass that someone WILL shoot it.

Isn't blowing up POCOs and installing new ones two completely different things? Who says that the ones who blow up the offices install new ones?

My point being that if you are solo then stay out of low sec if you don't want to pay the higher NPC taxes. Group up and become a viable PvP threat if you want the benefits of a POCO.

My point being that if you are solo then stay out of low sec

I cannot conceive of someone going to all the effort of destroying a POCO (which gains them literally nothing) without also being willing to set up their own.

How long would it take to merely break even on your 100 million investment?

Pretty quickly actually. I had an Alt export from 5 planets the other day and paid about 3 million isk in taxes. This is going to be something for Industrial Corporations that live in Lowsec systems already, with Towers.

If you have 10 or 20 guys in a corp doing PI the taxes add up.

Not if they decide your tax rates suck and go elsewhere.

Not if they decide your tax rates suck and go elsewhere.

Not if they decide your tax rates suck and go elsewhere.

No, I meant the tax savings you get by giving yopur corp members 0%. A corp of modest size whose members do PI will see enough savings to make it worthwhile I believe.

I concur this does nothing for solo players. But I do not expect MMOs to cater to solo players. Solo activities in Eve include ratting and missions in hisec, station trading, etc. Production has usually been more group focused.

Ah, but here's where you're screwing up. You're comparing the savings to the new borked tax rates. Compare the savings to the tax rates before these abominations were introduced and you'll get the real story. It would take 2K to 3K isk to export a load of P2 from a planet, so those are the real numbers you need to consider when comparing savings now to how things were before PCOs.

Yeah... that 150M will take a long time to recoup at that rate.

Ah, but here's where you're screwing up. You're comparing the savings to the new borked tax rates. Compare the savings to the tax rates before these abominations were introduced and you'll get the real story. It would take 2K to 3K isk to export a load of P2 from a planet, so those are the real numbers you need to consider when comparing savings now to how things were before PCOs.

Yeah... that 150M will take a long time to recoup at that rate.

This is not a nerf of any kind to lowsec PI. If anything it is a buff.

However, it IS a nerf to solo players doing PI alone, and without a corporation supporting them.

It is a multiplayer game.

People seem to revel i their own ignorance about this change.

This change will only damage Eve. There is not going to be more pvp over this. It is the death of PI outside of sovereignty space.

The more you post otherwise, the more you look the fool (like CCP Omen does)

Why would you possibly make that comparison? Those rates are gone. That is like complaining about the price of gasoline based on what it was in 1950.

You have two choices in Low/Null... Put up a POCO (up front costs) or pay Interbus rates forever. That is the cost comparison to make. Your third/passive option is to hope someone else puts up a POCO and gives you a good rate, really only possible if you are in a player corp. If you are in an NPC corp you will pay Neutral rates at all POCOs regardless of your standings with the owner.

Don't be stupid. That's the only valid comparison. Before, no PCOs, taxes at old rates. Now, PCOs and grossly inflated taxes. You compare the before with the after, you don't cherry pick various aspects of the after and ignore how things were before the changes.

-snip- after you put up your POCO: -snip- After you pay off your POCO: -snip-

Don't be stupid. That's the only valid comparison. Before, no PCOs, taxes at old rates. Now, PCOs and grossly inflated taxes. You compare the before with the after, you don't cherry pick various aspects of the after and ignore how things were before the changes.

This is another mistake of cost analysis. Nobody runs from a single planet. You will need an array of POCOs to do business. That alone increases cots of operations nearly exponentially if they get blown up and need to be replaced. Hi sec actually looks like a better option, except your profits are eaten alive by taxes. These cash flow issues are virtually non-existent for the Sov space guys. Essentially, Hi/Lo sec PI farmers cannot compete any longer.

You're a bad troll!

Also prettty stupid to not get what he's saying.

Pretty quickly actually. I had an Alt export from 5 planets the other day and paid about 3 million isk in taxes. This is going to be something for Industrial Corporations that live in Lowsec systems already, with Towers.

If you have 10 or 20 guys in a corp doing PI the taxes add up.

Also I keep seeing people say this makes sense for a 'corp' of 10 people who all do PI because they will pay off their POCO faster.

Is there really a corp of people out there all 10 of which do PI on the exact same 5 planets? In Null with more hotspots, maybe, but in low sec, there is usually only one good place on the planets I've scanned. 10 people all trying to fit in on a single low sec planet seems like it would be a huge failure as everyones extractors are pulling from the same hotspot deposit and depleting them.

PI doesn't really seem like a group activity - you don't want other people on your planet competing with you over the resources. That's the entire philosophy behind DUST.

Don't be stupid. That's the only valid comparison. Before, no PCOs, taxes at old rates. Now, PCOs and grossly inflated taxes. You compare the before with the after, you don't cherry pick various aspects of the after and ignore how things were before the changes.

Also I keep seeing people say this makes sense for a 'corp' of 10 people who all do PI because they will pay off their POCO faster.

Is there really a corp of people out there all 10 of which do PI on the exact same 5 planets? In Null with more hotspots, maybe, but in low sec, there is usually only one good place on the planets I've scanned. 10 people all trying to fit in on a single low sec planet seems like it would be a huge failure as everyones extractors are pulling from the same hotspot deposit and depleting them.

PI doesn't really seem like a group activity - you don't want other people on your planet competing with you over the resources. That's the entire philosophy behind DUST.