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Kassidus Gallente Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2006.09.25 11:44:00 - [1] Right now I have no creditcard and live in canada so the only option for me now is to use ISK to get a time card, but WTF Im seeing cards selling now for over 425mill isk for 90 day cards!! they have gone from 250 to almost 450 in just around a month. Its fine that ccp allows this but cant they put some kind of regulation on its sale? If this price stays like this i cant play the game anymore, as its pretty hard for a newer player to make 450mill in 3 months unless i play way to much. this is crazy
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.25 11:45:00 - [2] hurry up adn get a credit (or debit) card in that case. Blame the ISK farmers for this
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.25 11:47:00 - [3] GTC prices are going up? wooooooot. -------------------------- AHH the Stupid forum DELETED(!) all my mod chat in my sig when i added this image :(
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.25 11:48:00 - [4] Originally by: Kassidus im 28 years old and im bankrupt , theres no hurrying up and getting a card theres "Had" 10 of them and got a bit out of hand when i was young and now im pying for it lol. how can i pay with debit card ? I tried one of those pay by cash servies and it took a $30 card up to $85 which is nuts i heard visa debit comes outta youre savings or get someone else to pay for (sorry to hear about the credit card problem tho) mmm otherwise paypal isnt working anymore
Kassidus Gallente Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2006.09.25 11:48:00 - [5] im 28 years old and im bankrupt , theres no hurrying up and getting a card theres "Had" 10 of them and got a bit out of hand when i was young and now im pying for it lol. how can i pay with debit card ? I tried one of those pay by cash servies and it took a $30 card up to $85 which is nuts
Kassidus Gallente Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2006.09.25 11:50:00 - [6] They need to set up a automatic bill payment that comes out of your bank account like a phone bill etc.
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.25 11:52:00 - [7] thats a good idea
Admai Sket	Posted - 2006.09.25 11:52:00 - [8] GTCs going up? /me becomes a GTC seller...
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.25 11:53:00 - [9] Let me get this stright....your a 28 year old guy who has no cash. Considered working extra instead of playing games? then you might have the money to play games.... -------------------------- AHH the Stupid forum DELETED(!) all my mod chat in my sig when i added this image :(
Admai Sket	Posted - 2006.09.25 11:55:00 - [10] Edited by: Admai Sket on 25/09/2006 11:55:42 Originally by: Major Stormer Let me get this stright....your a 28 year old guy who has no cash. Considered working extra instead of playing games? then you might have the money to play games.... I would say /QFT, but he might have a reason like disability or something. Careful :-S EDIT: see?

Kassidus Gallente Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2006.09.25 11:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Major Stormer Let me get this stright....your a 28 year old guy who has no cash. Considered working extra instead of playing games? then you might have the money to play games.... Hey dont go jabbin at me your playin this game to, and besides I work lots and have plenty of money just no credit, its what happens when your making 10k a month buying cadilacs and then loosing your job cause a business goes under, **** happens. i can have all the money in the world but if i cant get it to CCP then it wont do me much good.
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.25 11:55:00 - [12] some ppl dont like working and if he works he will probably have most of his salary deducted to pay debts anyway (depending on country)
Kassidus Gallente Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2006.09.25 11:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Miss Overlord some ppl dont like working and if he works he will probably have most of his salary deducted to pay debts anyway (depending on country) hehe no its all good now, and im back on track anyways just star'd in a movie so things are looking up again;) but that doesnt get me a credit cards again overnight still takes 7 years and im about 4 years into it now.
Caerleus Board of Twenty	Posted - 2006.09.25 12:01:00 - [14] Very few bankrupt people are 'broke'...they just don't have access to the same vehicles for moving cash that others do. As someone in a similar posistion and someone who has vowed never to use banks or financial institutions again, an ability to play and pay without having to resort to friends or family using their credit cards is welcome. Eve is like a new girlfriend - you know its going down at some point, its just when and for how long.
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.25 12:02:00 - [15] CCP how about western union cheque acceptance for 12 month accounts that might work
Cymru2000 Lords of Maelstrom The Confederation	Posted - 2006.09.25 12:03:00 - [16] If you have a debit card, you can transfer funds to paypal and buy timecodes off an official ETC Seller using Paypal.
clone 1 Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.09.25 12:15:00 - [17] You got to remember the primary reason why ISK-GTC timecard sales was introduced. It was done to combat ebay isk sales, while allowing CCP to benefit from said GTC purchases. The higher the price of these timecards in isk, the better for CCP. Why? Because ISK will be worth less and less $$. Consider this: On ebay when GTC sales were introduced, 100mill isk was getting around $30. At the same time because of the value of characters were valued at approx 100mill isk per mill sp, it was deemed by the masses that a 30day GTC was worth approx 100mill isk. This could be bought for $15. Now as a result of this move, CCP has halved the real life value of isk in one move. Today characters are valued at approx 200mill / 1mill sp. Is it a wonder that timecards have gone up to match that? No. Today 100mill isk sells for $15 on ebay, but for your $15 trough timecards you can now get 200mill isk. Again the value of isk in real life has halved. What does this really mean? Well an illegal macrominer operation would have to do 4 times the ammount of work to get the same RL benefit that they had to do 1 year ago. As demand rises, GTC sales will get more and more expensive isk wise, and RL value will go down and down. clone 1
DOGNOSH Minmatar SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2006.09.25 12:25:00 - [18] well put clone 1 kassidus,ISK for GTC is a bonus that people who make lots of ISK in game can take advantage of,alas i haven't got time to play eve 23/7 so if you don't like the price then go elsewhere,why moan about it ? supply and demand,the higher the demand the higher the price mmmm pink Eris will approve - Xorus Xorus has been webbified - DOGNOSH
Philip Sterling GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.09.25 12:26:00 - [19] You can use a debit card to pay, just as you would use a credit card. just enter the numbers and such and the money will be deducted from your checking account. I've been paying that way for over a year.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.09.25 12:47:00 - [20] Once they hit 500mil mark, I will move to GTC salesman too Unnerf Amarr!Ö "I read somewhere that Kali will be featuring turn-based combat to increase immersion." ¬ Waagaa Ktlehr

Buterphly	Posted - 2006.09.25 12:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Philip Sterling You can use a debit card to pay[/query] ever hear of a pre-paid credit card?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.09.25 13:48:00 - [22] I pay with my Visa Debit card- it works exactly the same as a credit card, same price, same form, same numbers, only the money comes straight out of my bank account rather than being a loan. If you have any money at all, you can pay this way- you don't need a credit card.
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.25 13:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Major Stormer GTC prices are going up? wooooooot. Tharsis needs some !
Anakin Walkskyer	Posted - 2006.09.25 14:02:00 - [24] Edited by: Anakin Walkskyer on 25/09/2006 14:02:49 Use paybycash then im in canada to and i have no problem paying for eve actually search around before posting. I use email transfer
Rakeris Legio VIII	Posted - 2006.09.25 14:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Kassidus They need to set up a automatic bill payment that comes out of your bank account like a phone bill etc. They do...I use it. It's called a debit card. :p -------- Sig removed, please keep your sig EVE related as per the forum rules, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus It was EVE related!!
xlop Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.25 14:12:00 - [26] a person can easly get 400-450mil in one week! then you got 12weeks to play :) i can see GTC prices going past the 500mil isk mark, since ppl will pay that! also its bad news for isk sellers, since now if someone wants isk they will get more isk for the buck if they sell GTC thus forcing isk prices down on ebay and other isk seller sites!
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.25 14:12:00 - [27] Shop around, I saw some available for 300m last night and it wasnt a scam. Stop being lazy and expecting to get a good deal for 5 minutes of browsing the sell order forum. --- ---
Rahn Sohwant	Posted - 2006.09.25 15:02:00 - [28] It's simple economics, supply and demand. The demand is outstripping the supply so much, that I'd be surprised if you couldn't get 500m for a 90 day card right now. As it stands, if a seller posts that he has 4 card for sale, if you don't convo him within 5 minutes of the post, they'll all be gone. Thank the rise in isk farming, and by that I mean thank the people who actually buy from the farmers and make it worthwhile for them. I don't know anything about Canada, but can't you get a Debit card that acts just like a Visa and takes right out of your account? It should work just like a credit-card version of the same card.
Zephirz Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.25 15:24:00 - [29] Edited by: Zephirz on 25/09/2006 15:24:00 How i extend gametime... Bankaccount > paypal account paypal account > gtc (list of sellers somewere under My Account) gtc > extend gametime hurray! edit: time: 4 days from bank account to paypal than 10mins for the gtc :)
DeTox MinRohim Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.25 15:35:00 - [30] Go to your bank and ask them to lend you money to take a REER... They usually accept as they don't give you money. Pay the terms and 3 to 6 months later, you'll get credit card proposals. Don't be late though. In the time they were sending pre-approved credit card proposals (do they still do that?), my father received plenty after only 6 months. ------ My EVO Stuff I am an Alt... get over it ! I take no responsability for your paranoia.

ToxicFire Warlords Corp The Core Collective	Posted - 2006.09.25 23:25:00 - [31] Edited by: ToxicFire on 25/09/2006 23:27:37 Why is it people tend to gloss over the real problem. ETC For Isk Sales Need to be fixed price now. But in short the way to cut out all the crap solve the macrominers, the isk sellers, the now abuse of the ISK for ETC system. CCP Needs to provide an exchange rate and system for purchasing isk directly. Rubber stamp it. It becomes a fixed economy that is hard to abuse. P.S. its work with project entropia and its a two way exchange system
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.09.25 23:56:00 - [32] I pay with my Debit card. It has the visa logo on it. It acts just like a credit card. As long as it has the VISA or whatever accepted credit card logo then you should be able to use it to pay for EVE. --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!
Foznez	Posted - 2006.09.26 00:05:00 - [33] Originally by: Kassidus hehe no its all good now, and im back on track anyways just star'd in a movie so things are looking up again;) but that doesnt get me a credit cards again overnight still takes 7 years and im about 4 years into it now. Pron...
Tas Devil JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.09.26 00:16:00 - [34] Edited by: Tas Devil on 26/09/2006 00:16:27 I feel like pointing out to all the self centered english blokes on here yelling 'debit card' 'debit card' that such things do not exist in all countries... not even the main 1st world countries Tas The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to Killer8 for this ! This includes bad language... so beware
Viktor Beck The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.26 00:38:00 - [35] Originally by: Kassidus Originally by: Miss Overlord some ppl dont like working and if he works he will probably have most of his salary deducted to pay debts anyway (depending on country) hehe no its all good now, and im back on track anyways just star'd in a movie so things are looking up again;) Possibly the funniest post ever. People, we have a movie star on board!
Ukucia Gallente The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.26 01:07:00 - [36] Originally by: ToxicFire Edited by: ToxicFire on 25/09/2006 23:27:37 Why is it people tend to gloss over the real problem. ETC For Isk Sales Need to be fixed price now. Why? What's wrong with supply-and-demand determining the price? Quote: But in short the way to cut out all the crap solve the macrominers, the isk sellers, the now abuse of the ISK for ETC system. I don't see how these 3 are connected. Sure, the MM's and ISK sellers obviously are. But the only connection to ISK for ETC is that RL cash is involved. With ISK for ETC, CCP gets the $$ they want, some players can save their RL cash for other things, and players with more RL cash than ISK can get the ISK they want. Quote: CCP Needs to provide an exchange rate and system for purchasing isk directly. Rubber stamp it. It becomes a fixed economy that is hard to abuse. I don't see any abuse above, could you explain it? Also, directly selling game money is a bad idea. It creates a flood of new money into the game which does horrific things to the game's economy. With ISK->ETC, there is no new ISK being created. Disclaimers: I've sold an ETC for ISK. Also I do not speak for my corp, alliance, or anybody else. I just type what the voices in my head tell me to. ---- WTB Forum Sig. Please Evemail if you'd like to sell one.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.09.27 05:27:00 - [37] You go and sell your crappy "ETC"'s for 300mil and I will sell my quality GTC's for 500mil. Might be shocking but 300mil from 30day gametime is what I got like year ago. You just have to know right persons Unnerf Amarr!Ö "I read somewhere that Kali will be featuring turn-based combat to increase immersion." ¬ Waagaa Ktlehr
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.27 05:35:00 - [38] Originally by: Kassidus Its fine that ccp allows this but cant they put some kind of regulation on its sale? You're joking right? Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.27 05:39:00 - [39] Originally by: Foznez Originally by: Kassidus hehe no its all good now, and im back on track anyways just star'd in a movie so things are looking up again;) but that doesnt get me a credit cards again overnight still takes 7 years and im about 4 years into it now. Pron... Well he is Gallente. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Gingawa	Posted - 2006.09.27 07:08:00 - [40] I see no issue with GTC getting higher, it is supply and demand. I am sure if there are enough complaints though ahem the practice might not be allowed at all. Be happy they are there!

Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.27 15:45:00 - [41] buhu?
Lazy8s	Posted - 2006.09.27 16:04:00 - [42] On the upside this that isk will be cheaper to buy. If 90days = 500 isk that means 500isk now = $38. The downside to this is you will now see prices go through the roof on the market because all the noobs buying isk will now have 2x as much to spend. Hello 500isk HACs.
Bawldeux IV Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.27 16:23:00 - [43] I have to wonder where players get the idea that isk is relitive to RL $$$....as if you can BUY ISK on auction sites...and some sites that sell gtc's... If the isk trade for GTC is now costing more isk for the same GTC, then that means there is a problem with isk inflation (isk is devalued). This is a result of large ammounts of isk hitting the market, OR that the isk sellers are getting less for the isk, thus they will want more isk per GTC to make up the difference in lost RL revenues. How to fight such a problem...hmmm... -CCP sell isk for RL cash? NO WAY! (but it would make the isk sellers cry) -CCP stop selling GTC....not a wise move either. -CCP trace illicit isk gains (via exploits) and trace the isk/items, and ban the players involved, thus remove the isk and items from use, increasing value of isk in the game....you never know, they may do this. Now if CCP really wanted to stop things and they didn't give a dang about losing a few legit players... -Stop the selling of GTC for isk, -Stop the selling of characters for isk, -Stop the ability to transfer characters to other accounts, -Limit transaction via a 24 hour timer so a gm team can review isk/sells/item transfer over a set value/limit, to prevent obvious laundering (patterns of behaviour, and it makes it clear the isk will be tracked)...they would just need to hire the rest of their town as gm's to do this...so don't hold your breath on this one How to move your T2 bpo's
Anakin Walkskyer	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:52:00 - [44] Originally by: Rahn Sohwant It's simple economics, supply and demand. The demand is outstripping the supply so much, that I'd be surprised if you couldn't get 500m for a 90 day card right now. As it stands, if a seller posts that he has 4 card for sale, if you don't convo him within 5 minutes of the post, they'll all be gone. Thank the rise in isk farming, and by that I mean thank the people who actually buy from the farmers and make it worthwhile for them. I don't know anything about Canada, but can't you get a Debit card that acts just like a Visa and takes right out of your account? It should work just like a credit-card version of the same card. No we can not get the debit card that acts a credit card yet that is only american we arn;t gonna get that for another few years i am told.

kieron	Posted - 2006.09.27 18:35:00 - [45] We are looking at other means of allowing payments for EVE, I hope to have more information on these options SoonÖ. Originally by: Kassidus hehe no its all good now, and im back on track anyways just star'd in a movie You're not Samuel L. Jackson, are you? Sorry, had to ask. Long running rumor with the community that SLJ plays EVE. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.27 18:45:00 - [46] Originally by: kieron We are looking at other means of allowing payments for EVE, I hope to have more information on these options SoonÖ. Originally by: Kassidus hehe no its all good now, and im back on track anyways just star'd in a movie You're not Samuel L. Jackson, are you? Sorry, had to ask. Long running rumor with the community that SLJ plays EVE. I think you are thinking about Chuck Norris... we got a lot of WoW nubbins in EVE now and they seem to like ol' Chuck. Maybe its because of his late night 'as seen on tv' excercise scheme or his ability to destroy the universe with his stare all while partying with pron stars with big boobs. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2006.09.27 18:51:00 - [47] Edited by: Siri Blue on 27/09/2006 18:51:45 I don't think Samuel is 28 years old anymore Kieron... Hmmmm....28 year-old Samuel...hmmm...
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.14 22:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Kassidus Right now I have no creditcard and live in canada so the only option for me now is to use ISK to get a time card, but WTF Im seeing cards selling now for over 425mill isk for 90 day cards!! they have gone from 250 to almost 450 in just around a month. Its fine that ccp allows this but cant they put some kind of regulation on its sale? If this price stays like this i cant play the game anymore, as its pretty hard for a newer player to make 450mill in 3 months unless i play way to much. this is crazy Supply and demand? You live in Canada, use paybycash or some other method. you have atleast a debit card don't you? What's crazy is the idea that CCP would actually step in and say 'ok guys, you have to charge less ISK for the GTCs because it's not fair to people who buy them'. I think they're planning to do that right after they force T2 producers to sell at only 50-100% markup. Making 450mil in 3 months can't be that hard. Run 1-2 level 4s a day and you should have well more than enough. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.11.14 23:09:00 - [49] While you're at it, put artificial prices on HACs too, they're far too high! Seriously, if don't want to use your real money to play the game, you have no right to *** about the people who are willing to use their real cash to do so. Can't afford the GTC? Pay for it with real money. Don't want to or can't afford it? Tough **. It's your choice. Now, what I would like CCP to do is integrate GTCs into the contracts system (and make it so you can only buy GTCs through contracts). The person who buys the GTC makes a GTC contract and enters in the code. This code is then locked meaning no account can be activated with this code (so you can't put a GTC up on contracts and then activate an account with it in order to scam someone). When the person wins the contract, they are prompted for the account name that they wish to put the GTC on. The GTC is then registered to that account. Finally, the user logs into the EVE-O website with that account and then clicks "activate game time card" and voilla, 30/90/100/etc days are added onto the account and CCP can trace every single transaction. AFAIK it is also scam proof (unless some idiot attempts to buy the GTC via other means, in which case he deserves to get scammed). _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Moah Johg	Posted - 2006.11.15 00:16:00 - [50] Goto one of the many places that sell secured credit cards (IE. You give them the amount you want on the card plus a small fee) and use it.

Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.15 00:23:00 - [51] Originally by: Kassidus They need to set up a automatic bill payment that comes out of your bank account like a phone bill etc. Well........I pay by Debit Card (not Credit, Debit) which is entirely available to thosee declared legally bankrupt, afaik, as its not a form of loan. Every 6 months, (or whatever time you like) CCP take money out of my account, just like a.........wait for it......Direct Debit! Your options arn't just Credit / Pay-by-cash / GTC or nothing. -----------------------------------------------
Brolly Caldari The Department of Justice	Posted - 2006.11.15 01:01:00 - [52] Originally by: kieron We are looking at other means of allowing payments for EVE, I hope to have more information on these options SoonÖ. /me with holds evil cynicism comments which would get him banned from forums Seriously though, the whole payment issue thing, inclusive of eve store has been going on for ages. Don't you want our money or something?. I'm from the UK, don't want to go through a 3rd party website and want eve goodies, don't have a credit card (but have a job thankies ) go***it! If I had ú1 for every intelligent comment posted in general discussion, I'd be hideously in debt*


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