So, PI products that don't sell well should no longer be produced, thereby increasing the demand and FURTHER raising the next month's averaged costs for all goods in a tier.

You honestly don't see how flawed that is? Costs will just continue to rise, as will your percentage tax.

so ... go to lowsec, poof a customs office, set up a POCO...

no tax.

if you're not in a corp that can handle doing that ... find a bigger group that can.

What makes you think the reference values will be updated monthly? Or at all?

So, PI products that don't sell well should no longer be produced, thereby increasing the demand and FURTHER raising the next month's averaged costs for all goods in a tier.

You honestly don't see how flawed that is? Costs will just continue to rise, as will your percentage tax. I don't care for hyperbole in arguments, but this is a run-away tax hike. It will never get better, nor stabilize. At best, all you do is shutdown HiSec PI. If that's what CCP wants to do, fine. But don't keep telling your players that PI is for everyone.

In my example of P2 goods, 9k as an average is way high for most P2 goods. You don't average all P2 goods together if you want to tax them. The demand for P2 goods varies greatly by good and by day even.


To CCP: I'm down with ISK sinks. I am. I believe we should have more. 17% tax averaged across the board kills production for half of the PI goods and discourages even more people from doing PI. The market was fine where it was before. We weren't creating ISK with PI, just moving it around.

You wanna tax non-ISK generating revenue sources? Tax roid mining. See what kind of response you get then.

@ Hundo. No one taxes your use of a POS to produce goods atm. CCP doesnt charge a tax to mine roids or moons.

You think it's somehow acceptable to take up to 30% of the low profit PI goods for the sake of an ISK Sink? Let's start taxing miners for each m3 of roid they mine. That should help, right?

[And to choose mining as a analogy to PI is flawed. One is active and one is passive.

The issue is just not the tax, its also about if you willing to risk losing ur POCO's in low-sec. Where its possible to acctaully make a profit of P.I

What would be the point of tying a tax index if they didn't? It's how insurance payouts are figured out now. They don't stay static.

Passive you say? I guess all of those colonies got built on their own. And the goods get moved around on their own. P4 goods must all come from one planet, cause certainly no one ships P2 & P3 goods around to make them. Colony management must be passive as well -- I guess we all just dreamed that we logged in on a semi-weekly basis to modify planets and production types.

The analogy isn't flawed. Neither Ore mining, nor PI produce ISK in EVE. Players trade ISK for the results of said actions. This level of ISK Sink on PI is one-sided in it's attempt to take ISK out of the economy. I don't see why we shouldn't start taxing roid mining in Empire space -- miners don't own those asteroids, the Factions do.

@ Hundo. No one taxes your use of a POS to produce goods atm. CCP doesnt charge a tax to mine roids or moons.

You think it's somehow acceptable to take up to 30% of the low profit PI goods for the sake of an ISK Sink? Let's start taxing miners for each m3 of roid they mine. That should help, right?

Passive you say? I guess all of those colonies got built on their own. And the goods get moved around on their own. P4 goods must all come from one planet, cause certainly no one ships P2 & P3 goods around to make them. Colony management must be passive as well -- I guess we all just dreamed that we logged in on a semi-weekly basis to modify planets and production types.

Build storages on ur current planets and just keep the stuff there. I just tore down my 10 planets on my 2 chars, and i wont put em up untill i can see a profit doing it again.

So, PI products that don't sell well should no longer be produced, thereby increasing the demand and FURTHER raising the next month's averaged costs for all goods in a tier.

You honestly don't see how flawed that is? Costs will just continue to rise, as will your percentage tax. I don't care for hyperbole in arguments, but this is a run-away tax hike. It will never get better, nor stabilize. At best, all you do is shutdown HiSec PI. If that's what CCP wants to do, fine. But don't keep telling your players that PI is for everyone.

In my example of P2 goods, 9k as an average is way high for most P2 goods. You don't average all P2 goods together if you want to tax them. The demand for P2 goods varies greatly by good and by day even.


To CCP: I'm down with ISK sinks. I am. I believe we should have more. 17% tax averaged across the board kills production for half of the PI goods and discourages even more people from doing PI. The market was fine where it was before. We weren't creating ISK with PI, just moving it around.

You wanna tax non-ISK generating revenue sources? Tax roid mining. See what kind of response you get then.

Hmmmmm............ I'm only playing, not yet for a year and in PI for a couple months, but I'm still making good profit in high sec.
Raw stuff all the way up to T4.
Sell in Jita. It still works.

Hey, you know what we should tax? Firing weapons. I think 5% of the value of the ammo expended would be ideal.

Frankly, this is not sustainable. and there's no way they would not adjust the rate, so passing the cost along to the buyer is pointless, as it just serves to drive the tax rate higher.

Also, there is a serious case of overlooking the effect existing stockpiles of low demand items will have on the prices for the foreseeable future. Items like Oxygen will not be profitable for some time to come, due to the huge stockpiles of it. I currently myself have enough O2 to run my poses for the next 10 years from the oxy output of one high sec gas giant.

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As for point 2, Passing along the cost makes perfect sense and would stablize in a few adjustments of the index. The tax rate will not be "higher", it will stay at 10%. The index may go up, but passing the full amount on the the buyer will stabilize in a few adjustments. Do the math.

If there was even no tax previously.

First index is 500 and tax rate is 10% means 50 isk in new tax
Passed on to customer driver prices to 550. Tax is now 55 with 5 being "new"
Price goes to 555, tax to 55.5 and only .50 is new and needs passed on.

See quickly stabilizes.

Let me stop you there:

Price is 500. Your export to move to a factory planet. You've gone up 55. You import. Now it's 80. You export the new materials. Now it's 180. You need 1700 units. Now it's 306000.

So, you tack that 306,000 on to the price. This drives the price of the item up 25% on the market, reducing the value of isk.

That, boys and girls, is known as inflation.