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Singoth The Wonderbolts 2	Posted - 2011.11.30 20:48:00 - [1] - Quote I would like to try some solo-PvP. I resubbed yesterday, and actually, I let my account run out because I got tired of the carebearing and missioning and whatever, and didn't care much to go PvP. (yeah, real carebear, I am.) But now, I really want to try some PvP. Solo PvP. Kick some ass and collect frozen tears from space corpses, and enjoy the game of course! I just don't know where to start, what I should be aware of, how to fit my ship, etc. So could anyone help get me on the right track? Thanks in advance!
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 114	Posted - 2011.11.30 20:53:00 - [2] - Quote Get a hurricane, put guns on it, start declaring war on people.
Tamiya Sarossa Hedion University Amarr Empire 104	Posted - 2011.11.30 21:09:00 - [3] - Quote If you know nothing about PvP, start with frigs. Buy a stack of 20 with fittings, go out, lose them all gloriously. Don't expect to kill much, but try not to die needlessly, and the lessons you'll learn along the way about dscanning/what is bait/piloting/how not to freak out in fights will form the essential foundation of a good PvP career. This is common advice because it is SO DAMN GOOD. You can ask an experienced player for tips, but second-hand knowledge is no replacement for having learned all this yourself. Only move on to larger ships when you can competently jump into a system, evade people you don't want to fight, d-scan to find people you do, and tackle them - all quickly and efficiently. Best of all, all of these skills will later be applicable to any other kind of PvP you want to do, whether highsec wardecs or fleet combat.
Grog Drinker The Tuskers 4	Posted - 2011.11.30 21:21:00 - [4] - Quote Pick a frigate (punisher, merlin, rifter, tristan, incursus). Buy a stack of these and fit them up then hit up low sec and start searching for targets. I recommend reading Taurean's Blog read his early posts on punishers. He bought a stack and lost them all and shares what he learned with each fight. I also recommend joining a good channel where PVPers talk and hang out. Most good PVP corps have a public channel where you can ask advice and discuss fittings and tactics.
Dan Pyre Wolfsbrigade 2	Posted - 2011.11.30 21:42:00 - [5] - Quote Hanging out as well as perusing the archives of the 'My EVE' section of the forums is a great way to find Solo PVP videos. (Although most are made by people with a metric crap-ton of ISK and can afford awesome ships/setups). It is a great way to find inspiration however, and those that have audio commentary and/or text commentary on the video can give you some insight on tactics and fittings used while fighting alone. ninja edit: In fact here is a (slightly out of date) Solo PVP video archive: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=7001&find=unread Credit goes to Tabs27
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 157	Posted - 2011.11.30 22:01:00 - [6] - Quote You can't really. I've been flying T1 frigs and destroyers in low and NPC null for a month now and never have I encountered anything less than overwhelming odds. My experience flying a frigate: -Everyone that flies a frigate EXCEPT YOU flies a pimped out T2 frigate. -Speed tanking is a lie, every ship in the world EXCEPT YOU has T2 scout drones that will melt you in three seconds from 3x your gun range. Even the frigates. Especially the Dramiels. -If you do manage to find a slow cruiser with no backup and no drones, you can't break his tank with your puny DPS. My experience flying a destroyer: -There isn't such a thing as a 1 vs 1. Everybody EXCEPT YOU has backup and/or alts. Even yesterday I had just dodged a gatecamp, bounced on a planet, and warped to the escape gate. I ran into a catch bubble anyways. A sabre decloaked as I was MWDing back to gate. I was quickly scrammed and webbed. Being in a Trasher, I said **** this I've got a chance, and opened fire. Except nothing happened. Then I saw the falcon and the buzzard. ECM and tracking dampeners on a poor T1 destroyer worth about 2 mil ISK, piloted a 3.3 mil SP character. Wheeeee! Now there's nothing to do except wait for the inevitable insurance mail while my trasher is sitting around in space like a fat cow, unable to do anything against a gang that would have won in a straight fight anyways. A falcon makes any gang immune to any opposing gang that's smaller than three. So there isn't really anything you can do alone. People just don't fly alone, except in lowsec where the - Elite Pirates - have pimped out T2 boats and 100m SP. If you have half a dozen mates, though, you can lay the pain on smaller T2 gangs even with poorly skilled T1 ships. So, I've had enough of this bullshit. I'm putting together a TEAM. I live, I post, I slay. I am content.
Grog Drinker The Tuskers 4	Posted - 2011.11.30 22:53:00 - [7] - Quote Krios Ahzek wrote: You can't really. ... I don't have much experience in Null but I can comment on your points about low sec. You will indeed run into many t2 frigs. The pirates though don't' really have 100M SP they just have more experience flying those ships. There are members of The Tuskers that have under 10M and still manage to kill players with 5 or 6 times as many SP. You do however need to have some skillpoints in the right places. You should have: Chosen frig skill to V Thermodynamics T2 guns or missiles for chosen frig Navigation skills. Thermodynamics and navigation alone will make you far more successful. The rest of the skills should take you maybe 2 weeks. From there I would either train for AF's or Intys. As long as your not flying minnie most races have some fairly cheap (9-10M) t2 options for frigates that will increase the number of targets you can engage. If your looking for targets in your t1 frig look for interceptors. You can kill things like ranis's, crusaders and slicers in a well fit rifter. You will probably lose more than you win but when you get that above class kill you will feel on top of the world.
Tamiya Sarossa Hedion University Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2011.11.30 23:13:00 - [8] - Quote Krios Ahzek wrote: You can't really. I've been flying T1 frigs and destroyers in low and NPC null for a month now and never have I encountered anything less than overwhelming odds. In general, you will be facing unfair odds when soloing. People won't engage unless they think they're going to win, that's human nature. It is also very possible to win in these situations with proper fits/piloting - but to get to that point, you need to get the PvP basics down, and the best way to do that is to go out die repeatedly in a cheap frigate until you figure out what is bait, what people's backup are, how to maximize your own survival time, how to disengage, etc. I make stupid mistakes all the time, but fortunately I got most the reallyyy stupid ones out of the way in ships that cost less than 5mil. In your situation, soloing in NPC null, your best hope for kills is luring tackle off larger gangs and ganking it - if you're rocking an incursus or dessie the large number of times you die horribly will be somewhat made up for by a couple inty kills. When you have experience, upgrading to a larger or more expensive ship will massively expand the targets you can engage successfully, but you'll find it corrospondingly harder to get semi-equal fights in many situations, so it's a tradeoff. In contrast, proper piloting skills improve what you can engage without making people ship up more to fight you, so it's essential to get them down rather than relying on bigger ships to make up for piloting deficiencies. Lowsec static and FW plexes are a decent place to look for 1v1 fights, simply because you can see hostile backup well before it can come in. Gladatorial arenas of a sort, I've had good times there. But there's a multitude of guides on how to get fights while soloing out there, so look around.
drdxie Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.11.30 23:22:00 - [9] - Quote Try RvB. You can get a lot of 1v1... and lots of blobbing. Its a great place to start.
Julia Connor Caldari Provisions Caldari State 5	Posted - 2011.12.01 03:07:00 - [10] - Quote I run through lowsec in mostly cheap stuff like stabbers and co.but I try to keep it very cheap so I don't **** my pants when I lose stuff. It's a good way to learn what is and what is not possible. For example, gate crashing a normal lowsec gate camp and what you can kill before gate guns get the better side of you. I plan on joining a decent sized pvp corp sometime down the road as I'm still learning myself and, from what I've seen, going solo reduces your chances of getting kills and good fights but it's not impossible to do. If you have a lot of isk, you can also invest in a boosting char to give you an edge. P.S. my alt can speak for me.
Ahrieman Heretic Army 0	Posted - 2011.12.01 04:03:00 - [11] - Quote Grog knows what's up. I would fly rifter or incursis. Try out multiple fits and fighting styles. Also try out thrasher. Here is how i would go about being a solo pirate: Don't buy a bunch of frigs. Buy 1 and fit it well, but cookie cutter. Get the low sec map from Ombey' 2D maps. Live as a roaming pirate. Find a cluster you want to live in, live there for a couple weeks until you have a good grasp of the area and people there, maybe even join a corp so you have some blues in the area. Once you get bored there, roam to a new area. Try out different fits whenever you get bored with your current fit.
DarkAegix Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 426	Posted - 2011.12.01 04:49:00 - [12] - Quote Solo PVP is most successful if you bring: -an expendable scout -a Falcon -a Dramiel for tackle -a bait Drake with cyno fitted -a supercapital hotdrop
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 159	Posted - 2011.12.01 06:02:00 - [13] - Quote DarkAegix wrote: Solo PVP is most successful if you bring: -an expendable scout -a Falcon -a Dramiel for tackle -a bait Drake with cyno fitted -a supercapital hotdrop Yeah Eve just isn't a solo game. Solo players have a prober alt, a falcon alt, a T3 booster alt, and they their main. I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104
adriaans Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak 0	Posted - 2011.12.01 06:06:00 - [14] - Quote The reason us 100m+ Sp ''old pirates'' hang out in low-sec is because my clones costs more than my bloody ship(s) (not even counting implants here!) thus going with anything less than 100m worth in 0.0 is just stupid for me. That said, there are very few of us and we all started with way less. Personally I skipped the 'buy 20 frigs' step and went and did it with t1 fit cruisers as you loose only like 1 mill of them but you can engage a lot more like AF's which you can't really in a t1 frig. I did loose quite a bit to gatecamps doing that though but ultimately I also learned a lot better how to escape them. THE most important thing as a solo pvp'er is your mindset and situational awareness. Observe, remember, outsmart them, be paranoid, take chances. My latest vid: [url]http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/adriaan9/Insanity_IV.mkv[/url]
Schmata Bastanold Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 33	Posted - 2011.12.01 08:04:00 - [15] - Quote I usually go to Hevrice and bounce between my safe spots and celestials and sun. At some point somebody will come out and play. Before I only took rifters there but yesterday I bought firetail just to see how does it feel like to fly something from a little higher shelf. It was all good and I had fun and here is outcome of this visit in Tuskers' space. Probably not very good fit for firetail but I will try do better next time. And as always it was fun and Tusker involved played fair, no alts, no backup, no blobbing, and what most important I learned why you should deal with drones first :) So yes, you can do solo pvp and Eve is not all about blobs and stealthy remote reppers and whatever. Of course you can complain that everybody just do gangbanging and Eve is one big clusterfk but that's just *** talk. Go out and be eager to play with others and fun will be there for you even if you have no corp and nobody to watch your back. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Singoth The Wonderbolts 2	Posted - 2011.12.01 10:28:00 - [16] - Quote Thanks a lot for the replies everyone! Yesterday I had a nice 1v1 fight in Dodixie against a Merlin. I fitted a T1 incursus with T1 stuff... didn't survive, of course. Always happens the first time xD But I definately learned some new stuff, and made some noobish mistakes (ie: having a drone, but not using it) The one I was fighting with was friendly and supportive though, and gave me a few hints for the future. Incursus is kinda hard to fit though, especially with T2 stuff. Next time, I'm not going to do an arranged fight though. I'll just go start harassing people. I just wonder how much that is going to affect my security status. Canflipping won't affect sec status, right? But how much sec status would you lose if you'd kill someone in lowsec? :)
Lady Spank GET OUT NASTY FACE 227	Posted - 2011.12.01 11:30:00 - [17] - Quote Krios Ahzek wrote: DarkAegix wrote: Solo PVP is most successful if you bring: -an expendable scout -a Falcon -a Dramiel for tackle -a bait Drake with cyno fitted -a supercapital hotdrop Yeah Eve just isn't a solo game. Solo players have a prober alt, a falcon alt, a T3 booster alt, and they their main. EVE isn't strictly supportive of solo gameplay, that much is true. There are also people that multi box and play that way but it isn't solo. This isn't to say that there aren't people like me who fly PURELY solo, one client. one ship, no gang members. If you don't like to lose ships then it might not be for you. Don't expect to find 1v1, be prepared to 1v111111. Have patience. KNOW EVERY SHIPS COMMON FITTINGS. Take risks but don't be stupid. It's very rewarding even if it can be frustrating at times. You obviously have limited targets compared to what even a 2 man fleet would have but getting a kill in against a cocky bunch of players (and maybe even getting out alive afterwards) is amazing fun. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ Get Out, Nasty Face ~ (a¦á_a¦â) Signature edited. Navigator.
Mystical Might The Imperial Fedaykin 23	Posted - 2011.12.01 11:31:00 - [18] - Quote Solo PvP isn't Dead. You just have to learn to take a gang on by yourself... Even if it means doing so in ships smaller than theirs. If I can do it, you can to. I suck at PvP . Edit: Send me a mail in game and I'll explain what I do and how i do it, using what ships to counter certain gangs. I rarely have an alt scouting or giving me boosts. Infact, my alt can't even give decent boosts and so is useless anyway. Most solo kills / Solo vs Gang kills = Just me, on my tod... Like I said, I'll give you some tips if you mail me in game. MystieFag
Ynot Eyob Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front 4	Posted - 2011.12.01 13:27:00 - [19] - Quote Read http://www.rifterdrifter.com I belive is the best guide iv seen yet. Nisroc Angels Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
L'ouris Have Naught Subsidiaries 9	Posted - 2011.12.01 14:32:00 - [20] - Quote As others have said, solo takes patience. If it helps you to weather the bad times: You will likely learn more about PvP hunting trying to solo for 2 weeks even when dying horribly than most folks pick up in a year flying in fleets. Best of luck out there :)
equincu ocha The Tuskers 2	Posted - 2011.12.01 14:37:00 - [21] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: KNOW EVERY SHIPS COMMON FITTINGS. This doesn't seem to get said enough Baby seal walked into a club
Roosterton Eternal Frontier 169	Posted - 2011.12.01 15:49:00 - [22] - Quote Krios Ahzek wrote: You can't really. Evidently, my Wolf has apparently not found ~4 good fights (1v1s with other frigates, actually) in the space of three days. And this is actually pretty bad for me, I've been busy this week.
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 160	Posted - 2011.12.01 16:02:00 - [23] - Quote Roosterton wrote: Krios Ahzek wrote: You can't really. Evidently, my Wolf has apparently not found ~4 good fights (1v1s with other frigates, actually) in the space of three days. And this is actually pretty bad for me, I've been busy this week. Wow that's almost one per day I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104
Lady Spank GET OUT NASTY FACE 230	Posted - 2011.12.01 16:10:00 - [24] - Quote That's how it goes sometimes though. You could go on a 4 hour roam and find nothing (that wouldn't be complete suicide). I'm not just talking about waiting on a favourable 1v1 either. This is why a lot of people who try solo and don't stick with it think it's impossible. It's also why people say you need patience to do it. You can improve your 'yield' by learning how to scan a system down as quickly as possible... nothing there or know people are usually docked up? Don't hang about, get moving. Don't have time to roam? Go toy with the bads that bait in Tama / Ama etc with posed up links tengus and backup. Kill the bait and see if you can GTFO before backup arrives. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ Get Out, Nasty Face ~ (a¦á_a¦â) Signature edited. Navigator.
Roosterton Eternal Frontier 169	Posted - 2011.12.01 16:12:00 - [25] - Quote Krios Ahzek wrote: Roosterton wrote: Krios Ahzek wrote: You can't really. Evidently, my Wolf has apparently not found ~4 good fights (1v1s with other frigates, actually) in the space of three days. And this is actually pretty bad for me, I've been busy this week. Wow that's almost one per day 1.33 per day, actually, which is more than one per day. Can you do maths? And that's a decent number seeing as how I've only been logging around an hour every day this week. Unless you're an ADD CoD-type who needs a constant influx of action and doesn't have the patience to go hunting or finding targets, it's satisfying.
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 160	Posted - 2011.12.01 16:21:00 - [26] - Quote Are your frigates dramiels or T2 fit? I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104
Lady Spank GET OUT NASTY FACE 230	Posted - 2011.12.01 16:33:00 - [27] - Quote Krios Ahzek wrote: Are your frigates dramiels or T2 fit? Not always... http://i.imgur.com/YZOgY.jpg If you think you can't kill faction or tech II ships in a tech I frigate then it's a bit hard to take you seriously. It doesn't matter how much isk you pour into a fit, it will still die to the right setup or tactics. Faction fit Dramiels die frequently to tech II/meta fit Tristans and Merlins for example. I don't know what you find so special about use of tech II modules either. It's not like they are expensive. Do you also find faction ammo to be unreasonable? It's fairly common to have tech II weapons and damage modules at least but more often than not meta 3 tackle mods are perfectly fine, as are meta microwarprives, neuts or damage controls (although those are expensive at the moment). (a¦á_a¦â) ~ Get Out, Nasty Face ~ (a¦á_a¦â) Signature edited. Navigator.
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 160	Posted - 2011.12.01 16:37:00 - [28] - Quote Tech 2 modules are in fact too expensive and I can't fit most of them yet. Oh well, I guess I'll just die for a year until my skills are up to par. It's not like it matters. I'd rather die 7 times in a 2 mil ISK destroyer than die once in a 15 mil one. I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104
Lady Spank GET OUT NASTY FACE 230	Posted - 2011.12.01 16:43:00 - [29] - Quote It sounds like you are just making excuses not to PVP. I was shooting things in my first week. It certainly does not take a year of skilling to go cause mayhem in a frigate. Rifters especially are so good that you can get away with being underskilled. Skillpoints help, but if you don't apply them correctly with good tactics then it makes no difference. If 15m isk is too expensive for you then I guess your main problem is a lack of experience, not skillpoints. Take the time to understand the game a bit more before you start making judgement calls. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ Get Out, Nasty Face ~ (a¦á_a¦â) Signature edited. Navigator.
L'ouris Have Naught Subsidiaries 9	Posted - 2011.12.01 16:45:00 - [30] - Quote In case some poor newbie comes along reading this thread: Skill Point unrealated: -Flying solo trying to hunt targets will give you a wealth of information about how not to be caught yourself. -Learning how to quickly canvas a system with DSCAN for targets and other hunters will help you every single time you log in to do anything beyond industry and trading - Getting your own confidence up by learning how to jump into a system that is camped and not die a fiery death everytime will help with everything outside high sec. - Just plain getting used to a fight ( even when dying ) so you can start to focus on little things like cap managment, heat of mods, adjusting speed, manual flying etc instead of shaking with the rush everytime someone locks you up. - Get to know other folks out flying about and share bullets and war stories There are more but absolutely none of these require you to even win a firiggin fight.

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