Originally by: Shinjuro

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I have no respect for people that accept 1v1 duels and then dishonor it. I wouldn't worry too much about it. If his rax could nearly own their raven, then they are complete noobs. But in their defence.. wtf were you doing dueling at a station?? Go to a SS next time.

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Originally by: Clementina

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If you bug report it, you get ignored.
If you post about it on the forums, you get banned.
If you exploit it, you get rich.

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Originally by: Ozzie Asrail

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but yea, dishonoring 1v1's is pretty much the lowest you can go imho.

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Originally by: EugirDor

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An interesting accusation coming from a member of a "Pirate Coalition". While I personally do not care for pirates I will inquire on this.

Eugi

Note: No other response will be made by me on any forum.

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Originally by: Deja Thoris

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If they really mean that then convo the CEO and try to get it sorted. Dishonouring 1v1's is neither mature nor honourable.

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Originally by: Callistus

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Originally by: Ozzie Asrail

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but yea, dishonoring 1v1's is pretty much the lowest you can go imho.

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One step lower than losing a raven to a rax.

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Originally by: Cheese Boy

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Edited by: Cheese Boy on 28/09/2006 01:01:24
Ok let me start by saying my in game name is Boliknar. I was in the afore mentioned fight. What the "honorable" pirates fail to mention is that in the middle of the 1V1 Kailaio undocked form the station in a HAC and targeted my corp mate. Being that the 1v1 was then violated ( a fact that was later admitted to by the esteemed CEO in a convo to the afore mentioned pilot) I warped in and targeted and fired upon the HAC pilot seeing that he was sitting within dock range of the station i switched the AOS Brendan and blew him up. This is simpily a matter of a pirate corps own tactics being used against them and now they are crying and whining about it. Another intresting fact is that during the middle of the battle long before we had warped in AOS typed in local no stay out this is a 1v1. Who was he talking to not us we had not even arrived. So as I said before just as soon as Kailaio undocked and locked the pilot the 1v1 was off. So grow up take your lumps like the "men" you proclaim to be and SHUT UP!!!

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Originally by: Boliknar

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I would also like to respond to the fact that scoundrelous states he has never met an honorable member of TSOR. Funny how a Pirates definition of honorable is simply that we should all just lay down and let him and his corp use whatever tactics they see fit. I also find it funny that the whole post is written by the man who logged just as soon as there were even odds in the system. He was not there as to whether the thorax was beraking the ravens tank... I dont know I wasnt involved in the fight until after the 1v1 was broken by kailiao. I found it funny that Kailiao then posted that we had lost alot of respect and tried to play off he did not interfere. I say now what i said then... I dont really care if I am not respected by people I have no respect for.

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Originally by: Cammulos

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Honorable Piracy? What is this?!!

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Originally by: Boliknar

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The fact of the matter is Kailaio targeted GF during a 1v1

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Originally by: General Forest

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Well about an hour later I fought another thorax the pilot is named Pojo, and Landomar and boliknar were there and didn't interfere. I was in ferox this time, not the raven. But you are correct, if they do not have favorable odds against them they do not fight.

GF

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Originally by: Kira Kashirah

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Sorry to hear about a broken 1:1.
I know the gang I run in within The Shadow Order is honorable and keep their word.
Then again the corp has over 400 members, I imagine some just are not the same way. I myself apologize if my corpmates did anything you feel is wrong. It does not meant much, but in my mind honor is paramount to everything.

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Originally by: Boliknar

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Edited by: Boliknar on 28/09/2006 01:58:55
Edited by: Boliknar on 28/09/2006 01:58:12
Hmmm All I can say is you were not there and i was I have the logs. By the way your whole story is full of tatal inconsistancies . Kailiao is such a great player and has such great skills he would not have thought twice about tanking the sentries which he obviously could do with sucha large amount of SP. As soon as Kailiao locked GF which he did first regardless of what your saying, again I was there you were not the 1v1 was off. You i suppose were too busy logging off as soon as we entered system with even numbers, but thats besides the point, its come to be standard practice for you and your ilk. I said this in local and I will say it now..I was not there to make friends nor garner the respect of the those whom i dont respect. I was there support my corp mate. And in the process blow up as much of your stuff and make your Eve Playing life as much of a hell as I possibly can. The fact of the matter is Kailaio targeted GF during a 1v1 ( btw in doion research this is not the first time TBF has used this tactic). Seems they challenge people to 1v1 have a second ship target but not fire then when first ships friends arrive ***** and **** and moan on the forums in an attempt to discredit those corps that they cannot beat otherwise. Well i am done with this thread as I truely believe that pirates and those who play them do represent a microchasm of what is wrong with our society... Just remember you can tell alot about a persons true nature by the way they play a game... I can only assume that those who play pirates really are scum and represent a true evil.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Cammulos

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Honorable Piracy? What is this?!!

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Honorable piracy means doing what you say you'll do. No more, no less.

If a pirate says he'll let you go after you pay a ransom, and you pay, if he is honorable, he will let you go.

If a pirate has a 1v1 with you and he is honorable, he will not violate it.

A good pirate doesn't break his word. Not only is it disgusting, its bad for business.

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Originally by: Acama

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And you say a HAC can't tank sentries? I have tanked sentries briefly in a T1 cruiser with 1600mm plate. If you were doing a load of damage to the raven then the HAC could have tanked easily for long enough to break it's tank, especially if it could avoid damage from the raven itself. If you were expecting the antipies to fire then the sentry fire would have been split, making things easier still.

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Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd

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Who cares ?

When You ask for a 1 vs 1 you know the outcomes. The fact that the challenger Might not honour it is one of them.

These Whines make for very bad eve reading.

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Originally by: Sharp Song

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Boo Hoo - you failed to take any 1 vs 1 precautions.

Being a privateer you have less excuse than most, and to be honest you guys are only embarassing yourselves by telling us about it.

If you have a problem with a corp - wardec them and enforce your way of thinking on them.

Taking the forum route is sissy, sissy and er sissy.

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Originally by: Alekxys

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SInce i started it was expressed to me very early that locking another player is considered an aggressive act. When it's a pirate locking you you would be foolish to assume he's just saying hi or being curious. IF you don't shoot right away, your a fool. I don't doubt that AOS Brendan wanted a 1on1 fight, but it appears to me that the actions of his corp mate violated his good intentions and were the only actions that should be considered dishonorable.

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Originally by: Boliknar

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Edited by: Boliknar on 28/09/2006 01:20:14
I also find it funny that the whole post is written by the man who logged just as soon as there were even odds in the system.

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Originally by: Boliknar

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Edited by: Boliknar on 28/09/2006 01:58:55
Well i am done with this thread as I truely believe that pirates and those who play them do represent a microchasm of what is wrong with our society... Just remember you can tell alot about a persons true nature by the way they play a game... I can only assume that those who play pirates really are scum and represent a true evil.

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Originally by: Infinity Ziona

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And I'll whine all I like, I pay to use this forum, and I will use it. At least until you need to gang up to post here.

Originally by: Sanka Cofie

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Come on guys.. don't just come in here and gripe. What about the roll??

[Roll the dice to find your gripe. Match the die roll to the corresponding whine.]

If you roll a One: Karlemgne you're a bad bad man. If you pirate in EVE the terrorists have already won. You represent all that is horrible about humanity. You're a crap human being in real life.

If you roll a Two: Karlemgne you must be 12 and nobody loves you and you're immature and retarded and go to school on the short bus.

If you roll a Three: Karlemgne you must be one of those 30 year old guys who lives with his mother and works a dead end job and never gets laid so you pirate in EVE to make you feel better about your crap life.

If you roll a Four: Shouldn't you be playing CounterStrike you stupid smack-talking shoot-everything idiot. This is an RPG. Play a role. Don't just shoot stuff for no reason. You just shoot stuff because you're stupid and unimaginative. [Disregard if you're actually talking ****.]

If you roll a Five: OMG YOU ****!!! WHY DON'T YOU EVER FIGHT FAIR!!!1 ITS CUZ YOU'RE A COWARD!!! THATS WHY!!! COME BACK IN A SHIP THAT SUCKS AND I'LL OWN YOU!!!

If you roll a Six: Roll again.

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Originally by: Sanka Cofie

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And for the record, it is almost impossible to "roleplay" in an MMO. This just isn't a condusive format. It can be done, but it is very difficult, since almost everyone is always "out of character."

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Kinda proves my point then... If it is impossible to role-play then obviously the way you present youself in the game is how you truly are. Could not have made a better arguement myself.

Originally by: Dracolich

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Whatever the truth about the locking and whatnot. TSOR should let General Forest loose his raven, coz clearly he did not deserve it, and while you are at it, take away his ferox as well, coz he don't deserve that either. Give him a ship he can pilot proberly.

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Originally by: Boliknar

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Edited by: Boliknar on 28/09/2006 16:24:04

Originally by: Karlemgne

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Originally by: Sanka Cofie

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And for the record, it is almost impossible to "roleplay" in an MMO. This just isn't a condusive format. It can be done, but it is very difficult, since almost everyone is always "out of character."

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Kinda proves my point then... If it is impossible to role-play then obviously the way you present youself in the game is how you truly are. Could not have made a better arguement myself.

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Bulls*** it proves your point. We PvP, that's what we do. So in a round about way, we are "playing the role" of pirate. The original poster was insinuating that we should be more in character. All I am saying is that its impossible to be totally in character on an MMO. This isn't a table top game. So when someone asks how my day was in local, I say how my day was, not my eve characters day.

And again, this is a game. It doesn't always or even often "reflect" how we are in real life. Unless of course I named myself after the founder of the ***, which someone in your corp did. But, hey, you must be right. Those of us who engage in unrestricted pvp in this game, or any game must be evil, and indicative of what's wrong in society.

Which, I'm sure, includes yourself, as I don't see you denying that you've played games against other people where you've "killed" them in-game.

-Karlemgne

Originally by: Karlemgne

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Originally by: Boliknar

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Edited by: Boliknar on 28/09/2006 16:24:04

Originally by: Karlemgne

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Originally by: Sanka Cofie

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And for the record, it is almost impossible to "roleplay" in an MMO. This just isn't a condusive format. It can be done, but it is very difficult, since almost everyone is always "out of character."

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Kinda proves my point then... If it is impossible to role-play then obviously the way you present youself in the game is how you truly are. Could not have made a better arguement myself.

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Bulls*** it proves your point. We PvP, that's what we do.
YES BUT YOU ONLY PVP WHEN YOU CAN GET YOUR ROCKS OFF EXERTING YOUR STRENGTH AND INMPOSING YOUR WILL ON A LESSER SKILLED OR OUTNUMBERED OPPONENT
So in a round about way, we are "playing the role" of pirate. The original poster was insinuating that we should be more in character. All I am saying is that its impossible to be totally in character on an MMO. This isn't a table top game. So when someone asks how my day was in local, I say how my day was, not my eve characters day.

And again, this is a game. It doesn't always or even often "reflect" how we are in real life. AH BUT IT DOES IF YOU WILL READ MY PREVIOUS POST ABOUT GAME PLAYING AND SOCIOPATHIC ACTIONS Unless of course I named myself after the founder of the ***, WELL HE WAS NOT NAMED AFTER THE FOUNDER OF THAT ORGANIZATION BUT YOU HOWEVER FORMED YOU CORP AFTER ONE THE BLOODIEST REGIEMES IN MODERN HISTORY -THE SOVIET BLOCK which someone in your corp did. But, hey, you must be right. Those of us who engage in unrestricted pvp in this game, or any game must be evil, and indicative of what's wrong in society.

Which, I'm sure, includes yourself, as I don't see you denying that you've played games against other people where you've "killed" them in-game.
ACTUALLY THIS IS THE ONE AND ONLY ONLINE GAME I HAVE EVER PLAYED. AND AGAIN MY ISSUE IS NOT WITH PVP. IF YOU HAD BOTHERED TO TAKE OUT YOUR DICTIONARY AND READ MY POST YOU WOULD HAVE READ THAT
-Karlemgne

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Originally by: Saber21

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OMG this whole thread is too funny.

A Pirate claming to be honorable... LOL

By definition every person for themselves. Take what you can get and to hek with the rest.

What ever Target

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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin

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Originally by: Saber21

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OMG this whole thread is too funny.

A Pirate claming to be honorable... LOL

By definition every person for themselves. Take what you can get and to hek with the rest.

What ever Target

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Congratulations. You just surrendered your credibility.

Pirates in this game are people who made it a career-choice, it's no different than playing Baldur's Gate as chaotic neutral, and acting according to freedom principles.

What a lot of people relate piracy to in this game is real-life morality.

Eg.

That it is inherently wrong to inflict pain unto others.
Picking one choice in the game is no different than picking white instead of black in a chessgame (except far more complex, and with many more goals).



I think all the incessant whining from people who dislike pirates in general is the fact that they don't like to lose.

I don't mind the fact that some people choose anti-piracy as a career, or that they feel that they do the right thing. But the idea that there is a right or wrong career in EVE is just plain and simple idiocy. There may be a right career for you, but no universal right career.

EVE is a game where cosmos is free. No GM/DEV decides which career is to be right, or which is to be wrong. Playing the dark side, isn't that much harder, or no real career choice, because "good" is a goal in games... just because.


Piracy is a means to an end, just like with any style of gameplay. Whether the pirate in question is honorable or not, is up to the pirate in question.

Though I know that if a pirate such as Verone, Scoundrelus, Gift, etc. would offer me a 1v1, they would honor it.

Because your word is all you really have as a pirate.

"I will not kill you if you accept my ransom", will stop to work if you break your word. Out of causality. So being honest in these cases is about self-preservation.

As a pirate, you are enemies to a lot of people; other pirates, anti-pirates, carebears, etc. - if you don't honor your word in this game, then you start to get royally screwed. Because then EVERYONE will see you as a free target.

Comparing a game to real-life is, at best, on a theoretical level interesting. But applying real-life morality onto a game, as some kind of normative guideline is borderline psychotic, why?

It's equivalent to playing chess, and blaming the other party for eliminating your chess pieces.

One of the many objectives of EVE is conflict - we're playing in a cosmos where all shades of grey come into play. Murderers, pirates with morals, pirate carebears, mercenaries, carebears, etc. - morality here is about as clever as morality in "Grand Theft Auto", or for that matter - Counter Strike.

- You shot a man!
- Oh no! Now I must face the consequences.

Are you a person who always pick the police force in Counter Strike, because they are the "good guys", and playing "the terrorists" is bad, simply because "you are probably a terrorist if you pick them".

Then you need to start to wake up.
Seriously.

FICTION, gentlemen.
Playing the villain, in eg. Knights of the Old Republic,
can be a change of pace compared to a (perhaps) more predictible "Jedi Knight".

And playing a Pirate in EVE is no different.

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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff

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Heh.. The only thing that I see wrong with this situation is that Pirate Coalition didn't violate the 1vs1 first.. Honorable pirate? WTF is that?!!.. I can understand honoring ransoms - that's business and you want to make sure that your customer continues paying.. But a "duel"?.. Hellooooo, you're a freakin pirate!.. You'd best learn to lie, cheat, steal, and play dirty cuz that's what all your victims expect from you and they'll feel completely morally justified using such tricks right back on you (as you may have noticed).. Basically, do unto others before they do unto you..

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Originally by: Su Lian

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Edited by: Su Lian on 28/09/2006 19:26:32
OH NO I was talked mean to by a pirate and feel really really bad now.... My world is at an end OOOHHH NNNOOO How can I EVER Play EVE AGAIN. Oh the Remorese.

This is all about a pirate that got shot, and he feels cheated. So lets point fingers here and there, puff up our chest, show how much better we are then they are and WHAT??? Nothing has changed. His ship is still blown up! TSOR will still SHOOT Pirates. Pirates will still Shoot TSOR. AND?!?!

Is there some ground breaking event now or something?

Move on there is nothing to see here.



Damn wrong Toon.

Saber21 (new to the forum and all) lol

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Originally by: Boliknar

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Edited by: Boliknar on 28/09/2006 19:12:03
In response to Scoundrelous' threat to turn up the heat... Dont sing it punk....Bring it.

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Originally by: Boliknar

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Edited by: Boliknar on 28/09/2006 16:56:27

Originally by: Dracolich

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Whatever the truth about the locking and whatnot. TSOR should let General Forest loose his raven, coz clearly he did not deserve it, and while you are at it, take away his ferox as well, coz he don't deserve that either. Give him a ship he can pilot proberly.

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Amazing how you have just taken the word, as to how the fight went, of two people who were not in the fight or even in the system. As I have said before I do not know what GFs shields were at nor how close he was to haveing his tank broken. What i do know is that 50% of the time you hear a Pirate Alliance member extollling his or his Corps exploits its fabricated the other half the time he is lieing.

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Originally by: Boliknar

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Ok lets see we are supposed to assume the HAC was untanked because you say so.

We are supposed to assume it wasn't because you seem to think that way?

We are supposed to assume that GF locke Kail first (even though he did not) because you say so.

We're supposed to assume that Kail locked GF first because you say so?

We are supposed to assume that you as a corp will keep your word even though you are rather notorious for not doing so just because you say you will.

We are supposed to assume that you as a corp will keep your word even though its obviously been proven you can't? And we're supposed to assume that the Black Fleet won't honor 1v1's because they're "ebil nasty pirates?"

I am supposed to assume IRL you are a nice guy just because you say you are.

I'm supposed to assume you're an... nevermind, I won't resort to flames yet

Hmm being as that I can only go on my own personal experience with you guys and how you act and how you portray yourselves in a social setting I choose not to believe you.

Based on what I've read, I can only go by my personal opinion. You dishonored a 1v1 and used the general dislike towards pirates to make it seem like they did the dishonoring. Really, that's just lame.

Locking is agressing

Locking is agressing? Has anyone ever been popped by CONCORD for locking? Has the Agression Timer started from locking someone? No. And you know the little box that pops up before you do shoot someone in high sec? That tells you you're about to agress the other player. Locking is a warning to fire up the tank and be prepared for anything, it is not agressing.

its that simple you can whine and gripe all you want but that fact remains. You can state the same lies and half truths over and over agian doesnt make them true or you truthful.

I'd like to say same to you.

I said I was done with this thread however I cannot not stand by and continue to see my corp mates being lied about by a bunch who by their very nature ( proven by how they play this game) are liars.

I'm sorry, but this last statement is complete crap.

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Originally by: Wez Drubnyeskov

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if thats not a macro set up then i'm a pink fairy on acid

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Originally by: Boliknar

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Edited by: Boliknar on 28/09/2006 19:12:03
In response to Scoundrelous' threat to turn up the heat... Dont sing it punk....Bring it.

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Quote:

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I think of myself more as a Privateer. Not a lieing, cheating, murder... And I think Black Fleet thinks the same.

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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff

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Quote:

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I think of myself more as a Privateer. Not a lieing, cheating, murder... And I think Black Fleet thinks the same.

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So basically you are as much of a "Pirate Coalition" as we are a "Trade Federation".. Well more power to you I guess.. If it makes you happy, keep on keeping on.. Honestly though, (IMO) being a lying, cheating, murdering pirate is infintely more fun than trying to be respectable.. Plenty of targets, no rules, lots of adoring fans, and you don't even need to be a jerk while doing it - just point out that it's nothing personal, you're just a scumbag pirate, and better luck to the victim next time.. Plus, you might have had a dead Raven rather than a dead Thorax.. Or even better, their entire gang if you could have played it right by luring the rest in at the right time..

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Perhaps if me and you meet someday and I ransom you I'll just blow you up anyway since you appear to believe that is how I should behave. Well whatever floats your boat.

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Originally by: Scoundrelus

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Edited by: Scoundrelus on 29/09/2006 01:28:46
Edited by: Scoundrelus on 29/09/2006 00:45:25
The Jihad against TSOR has begun!

Killed Today:
1x Geddon
1x Dominix
1x Cyclone + Pod

Parties Involved:

AOS Brendan (Dominix)
Scoundrelus (Arbitrator)

The Jihad will continue until Brendan is compensated and the three scumbags are removed from TSOR.

Thank You.

PS: Oh and Boliknar, about those comments of us hiding when theres "even" odds. Me and brendan killed the Geddon and Dominix (older characters then us with T2 fittings) at the same time in a Dominix and Cruiser with like 4 other TSOR in system. So that pretty much disproves that point.

*waves epeen and smacks TSOR right in the eye*

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Originally by: Kira Kashirah

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Edited by: Kira Kashirah on 29/09/2006 00:28:12
To show you what great honor General Forest has, he tried to get me to join a gang today and was talking all nice so he could find me. I was in a mission so I was not able to be found.
I rejected it and said I was doing ok.
Turns out he was trying to kill me, and he is my corp mate. I mean he posted right in corp chat I am KOS, and the only way I was involved was the one post I made apologizing if you guys were upset by us.
You guys seem right, and I apoligize three fold that I am involed with a corp and corp members who do that. Pirates may be scoundrels, but that does not mean they are always wrong.
I am leaving the TSO corporation due to their allowance of such behavior and going to somewhere where at least I know your corpmates are allies, not enemies.

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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle

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Tobias,
I hope you realize the hypocrisy in chastising others for living by an ethical code(shooting neutrals is bad) when your organization criticizes another for breaching yours(not honoring 1v1s).

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Originally by: Kira Kashirah

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Edited by: Kira Kashirah on 29/09/2006 02:15:46
Well apparently I am the CEO of Red Navy, so I am not sure about the offer for PVP. At least TSO sent me a nasty message saying I was the CEO and etc.
They are a bit misguided so at least I learned it, and good luck in the region.

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Originally by: Kira Kashirah

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Edited by: Kira Kashirah on 29/09/2006 00:28:12
To show you what great honor General Forest has, he tried to get me to join a gang today and was talking all nice so he could find me. I was in a mission so I was not able to be found.
I rejected it and said I was doing ok.
Turns out he was trying to kill me, and he is my corp mate. I mean he posted right in corp chat I am KOS, and the only way I was involved was the one post I made apologizing if you guys were upset by us.
You guys seem right, and I apoligize three fold that I am involed with a corp and corp members who do that. Pirates may be scoundrels, but that does not mean they are always wrong.
I am leaving the TSO corporation due to their allowance of such behavior and going to somewhere where at least I know your corpmates are allies, not enemies.

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Originally by: Kira Kashirah

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Edited by: Kira Kashirah on 29/09/2006 02:15:46
Well apparently I am the CEO of Red Navy, so I am not sure about the offer for PVP. At least TSO sent me a nasty message saying I was the CEO and etc.
They are a bit misguided so at least I learned it, and good luck in the region.

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Originally by: Kira Kashirah

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Well it was a secret, I would play in a different part of the country on a totally different IP and character just to spy. Its just the way I roll.

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Originally by: AOS brendan

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just testing out my sig since the last one got deleted

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Originally by: Celticjim

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Eve-mail me the name and log of the "Offensive Smacktard", and will be handled accordingly.

CJ

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Originally by: dfghdghgddgf

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Originally by: AOS brendan

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just testing out my sig since the last one got deleted

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I predict you will be testing a new one very soon.

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Originally by: Celticjim

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Eve-mail me the name and log of the "Offensive Smacktard", and will be handled accordingly.

CJ

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Read the thread.

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Originally by: AOS brendan

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yes losing a raven to a rax would be a humbling experience...lol

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Originally by: kieron

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The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

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Originally by: Celticjim

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Originally by: Celticjim

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Eve-mail me the name and log of the "Offensive Smacktard", and will be handled accordingly.

CJ

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Read the thread.

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Reread my request. All I see is a description.

CJ

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Originally by: John Dean

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anti-pirates are scum and should be banned.

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Originally by: Boliknar

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You can start with the guy who equated all eve pirates to real life racists.

Funny I thought I supossedly equated you with rapists you are the one who tried to equate my corp member with a vile racist. Might wanna keep your story straight. On that issue all I can do is quote the "great" liberal media personality Mike Wallace... "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...chances are you've got a duck."

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Originally by: Celticjim

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Originally by: Celticjim

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Eve-mail me the name and log of the "Offensive Smacktard", and will be handled accordingly.

CJ

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Read the thread.

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Reread my request. All I see is a description.



CJ

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You can start with the guy who equated all eve pirates to real life racists.

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Originally by: Garan Savlar

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Originally by: John Dean

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anti-pirates are scum and should be banned.

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LOL ... I've read some crap on these forums but this really takes the biscuit!

Why do you think that anti-pirates should be banned? Perhaps so you, as a pirate, can have an even easier time of it than you enjoy at the moment. This sort of comment adds huge weight to the arguments of those people who say pirates are just cry-babies who want everything their own way.

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Originally by: Karlemgne[quote=Karlemgne

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Originally by: Garan Savlar

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Originally by: John Dean

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anti-pirates are scum and should be banned.

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LOL ... I've read some crap on these forums but this really takes the biscuit!

Why do you think that anti-pirates should be banned? Perhaps so you, as a pirate, can have an even easier time of it than you enjoy at the moment. This sort of comment adds huge weight to the arguments of those people who say pirates are just cry-babies who want everything their own way.

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Originally by: Impee

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This whole thing is amusing to me, like I said above, you got yarrrrr'd and now you are angry your own tactics have been used against you. I have been in that same situation with BKFT, a supposed 1v1, and they did exactly what TSOR allegedly did. They whine about honor, yet when a group of BKFT jumped me in s system not to long back (4v1 to take out a BC) and another pirate corp came in to help them (another 4 ships) because they were hetting pwn'd, there was no cry of dishonor on these boards when the assisting pirate faction turned around and popped all the BKFT ships I had heavily damaged.

Granted I got a good laf about it, I just wish I had remembered to ask for a copy of the killmails.

BKFT whining about honor is nothing short of hypocritical. I don't mind so much it takes them 3x the numbers of their opponents to feel that they have a "fair" fight, and I wasn't there for this particular incident, but I have fought them (well chased them into stations) many times, and know enough about them that one of their own tactics was used against them.

Just accept the fact you got yarrrrrr'd and move on. Next time fit warp stabs. :)

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Originally by: Boliknar

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You can start with the guy who equated all eve pirates to real life racists.

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Originally by: Dracolich

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Originally by: Impee

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This whole thing is amusing to me, like I said above, you got yarrrrr'd and now you are angry your own tactics have been used against you. I have been in that same situation with BKFT, a supposed 1v1, and they did exactly what TSOR allegedly did. They whine about honor, yet when a group of BKFT jumped me in s system not to long back (4v1 to take out a BC) and another pirate corp came in to help them (another 4 ships) because they were hetting pwn'd, there was no cry of dishonor on these boards when the assisting pirate faction turned around and popped all the BKFT ships I had heavily damaged.

Granted I got a good laf about it, I just wish I had remembered to ask for a copy of the killmails.

BKFT whining about honor is nothing short of hypocritical. I don't mind so much it takes them 3x the numbers of their opponents to feel that they have a "fair" fight, and I wasn't there for this particular incident, but I have fought them (well chased them into stations) many times, and know enough about them that one of their own tactics was used against them.

Just accept the fact you got yarrrrrr'd and move on. Next time fit warp stabs. :)

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Just like a decent pirat should honor ransoming, so should any pilot honor an agreed 1 on 1. Choosing a career as pirate has nothing to do with lack of honor. Choosing a career path says little of the person, its how he executes his profession that says it all. So is it with all professions be it in life or in eve.

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Originally by: Impee

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This whole thing is amusing to me, like I said above, you got yarrrrr'd and now you are angry your own tactics have been used against you. I have been in that same situation with BKFT, a supposed 1v1, and they did exactly what TSOR allegedly did. They whine about honor, yet when a group of BKFT jumped me in s system not to long back (4v1 to take out a BC) and another pirate corp came in to help them (another 4 ships) because they were hetting pwn'd, there was no cry of dishonor on these boards when the assisting pirate faction turned around and popped all the BKFT ships I had heavily damaged.

Granted I got a good laf about it, I just wish I had remembered to ask for a copy of the killmails.

BKFT whining about honor is nothing short of hypocritical. I don't mind so much it takes them 3x the numbers of their opponents to feel that they have a "fair" fight, and I wasn't there for this particular incident, but I have fought them (well chased them into stations) many times, and know enough about them that one of their own tactics was used against them.

Just accept the fact you got yarrrrrr'd and move on. Next time fit warp stabs. :)

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Edited by: Karlemgne on 29/09/2006 15:04:28

Originally by: Boliknar

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You can start with the guy who equated all eve pirates to real life racists.

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Funny I thought I supossedly equated you with rapists you are the one who tried to equate my corp member with a vile racist. Might wanna keep your story straight. On that issue all I can do is quote the "great" liberal media personality Mike Wallace... "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...chances are you've got a duck."

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Originally by: Boliknar

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Edited by: Karlemgne on 29/09/2006 15:04:28

Originally by: Boliknar

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You can start with the guy who equated all eve pirates to real life racists.

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Funny I thought I supossedly equated you with rapists you are the one who tried to equate my corp member with a vile racist. Might wanna keep your story straight. On that issue all I can do is quote the "great" liberal media personality Mike Wallace... "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...chances are you've got a duck."

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Your right. That was a typo. And I see you are still at it, continuing to insinuate that pirates are real life rapists and scum, while ignoring the contents of 3 or four serious posts in response to you. You are probably a guy who doesn't actually read the responses people write to you, correct?

Furthermore, if you have read this thread at all, you'd know I admited that I did not (though there have been times I've seriouslly questioned this) think General Forest is a real life racist. I was simply pointing out, the irony in you calling us (pirates) real life "scum" based on our video game characters, while ignoring the fact that a member of your corp has a character named after the founder of the K K K.


-Karlemgne

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Originally by: Boliknar

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Edited by: Karlemgne on 29/09/2006 15:55:41

Originally by: Boliknar

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Edited by: Karlemgne on 29/09/2006 15:04:28

Originally by: Boliknar

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You can start with the guy who equated all eve pirates to real life racists.

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Funny I thought I supossedly equated you with rapists you are the one who tried to equate my corp member with a vile racist. Might wanna keep your story straight. On that issue all I can do is quote the "great" liberal media personality Mike Wallace... "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...chances are you've got a duck."

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Your right. That was a typo. And I see you are still at it, continuing to insinuate that pirates are real life rapists and scum, while ignoring the contents of 3 or four serious posts in response to you. You are probably a guy who doesn't actually read the responses people write to you, correct?

Furthermore, if you have read this thread at all, you'd know I admited that I did not (though there have been times I've seriouslly questioned this) think General Forest is a real life racist. I was simply pointing out, the irony in you calling us (pirates) real life "scum" based on our video game characters, while ignoring the fact that a member of your corp has a character named after the founder of the K K K.


-Karlemgne

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I was not the first to equate you with a rapist you did that. I simpily pointed out that alot can be gained as to a persons true character by observing the way they play a game. I never said all pirates are power junkies who get their rocks off smacking those arround who either cannot or are ill equipped to defend themselves. I just said TBF is. Now if you wish to equate them with rapists than that is entirelly up to you.

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No, you said what you said of everyone who plays a pirate in eve. You never specified the Black Fleet, and since the Black Fleet are one of the best pirate corps out there, then you must have a low opinion of every other pirate corp.
IF YOU READ BACK IN MY POST I STATED "THESE PIRATES" THAT WAS A WORD OF CLARIFICATION DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN TWO GROUPS
As to the word "rapist," your right, I was the first to use that word. However, you offered up a description of how eve pirates must be in real life that involved, "getting off" on forcing yourself on those weaker than you, enjoying having "power" over those who can't defend themselves, and "humiliating" people. This is a classic text book definition of the psycological origins of the act of rape.
Therefore, those of us who pirate, if what you say is correct, must either be rapists, or capable of rape. Ridiculous... need I say more?

*sigh*

To be honest, your conduct on this forum is insulting, rude, hurtful, and just plain offensive to everyone who plays the game.
SO NOW YOU SPEAK FOR EVERYONE WHO PLAYS EVE NOW HUH?
Count yourself lucky I don't work for CCP, because I'd ban you for your conduct here.
AND YES I DO FEEL THAT A LARGE NUMBER OF THOSE WHO PIRATE ARE IN IT FOR A POWER TRIP AND THE ABILITY TO HUMILIATE THOSE INCAPABLE OR ILL EQUIPED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. SAD BUT TRUE JUDGING FROM MY INTERACTIONS WITH THESE PIRATES.
THE ONLY WAY I CAN MAKE "MY" JUDGEMENTS IS BASED ON "MY" INTERACTIONS AND OBSERVATIONS. AND IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TEXTBOOK DEFINITION OF SOMETHING THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD LOOK IT UP *****IT IS DEFINED BY WEBSTERS AS..."*****is defined as sexual intercourse forced on a person without his or her permission. *****is an act of violence expressed through sex, but is not primarily about sex." To say that called you a rapist is an insult to all who have been truely hurt by these people. But i really should not expect anything different from you should I. I state my observations about how you and your alliance mates play this game and you start whining and crying about how I called you a rapist and should be banned.
Typical

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Originally by: Boliknar

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Pretty damn obvious lies

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Originally by: Celticjim

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No more posts by any TSO member.

Let this one die. I have yet to receive anything in my Evemail.

Regards
CJ

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Originally by: Celticjim

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No more posts by any TSO member.

Let this one die. I have yet to receive anything in my Evemail.

Regards
CJ

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Forgive me for not think that anything will be done. I've evemailed the CEO of TSOR about offensive and inflamitory behavior on the part of your members before, and I didn't even receive a so much as a "go f yourself" back.

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Originally by: Kane Vin

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Forgive me for not think that anything will be done. I've evemailed the CEO of TSOR about offensive and inflamitory behavior on the part of your members before, and I didn't even receive a so much as a "go f yourself" back.

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Probably because the CEO figures you get enough "go f yourself" eve-mails as it is.

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Originally by: Portios Smith

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Hmmm... time to take a trip to the other side of heimatar, I miss the yarring oportunities of that wonderful area

P.S I dueled a couple of Black Fleet members before I joined PC, I won once and lost once, in one of the duels (the one I won) other members of BF where present and it was not at a station, they did not dishonor the duel. I don't trust any one in EVE but if I ever have to I find pirates to be more dependable with their word... most any way.

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Originally by: Sanka Cofie

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Come on guys.. don't just come in here and gripe. What about the roll??

[Roll the dice to find your gripe. Match the die roll to the corresponding whine.]

If you roll a One: Karlemgne you're a bad bad man. If you pirate in EVE the terrorists have already won. You represent all that is horrible about humanity. You're a crap human being in real life.

If you roll a Two: Karlemgne you must be 12 and nobody loves you and you're immature and retarded and go to school on the short bus.

If you roll a Three: Karlemgne you must be one of those 30 year old guys who lives with his mother and works a dead end job and never gets laid so you pirate in EVE to make you feel better about your crap life.

If you roll a Four: Shouldn't you be playing CounterStrike you stupid smack-talking shoot-everything idiot. This is an RPG. Play a role. Don't just shoot stuff for no reason. You just shoot stuff because you're stupid and unimaginative. [Disregard if you're actually talking ****.]

If you roll a Five: OMG YOU ****!!! WHY DON'T YOU EVER FIGHT FAIR!!!1 ITS CUZ YOU'RE A COWARD!!! THATS WHY!!! COME BACK IN A SHIP THAT SUCKS AND I'LL OWN YOU!!!

If you roll a Six: Roll again.

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More insulting bulls***. And people say pirates are the griefers. I'm not sure why my rather valid points are met with worthless slanders about my life, and my eve playstyle, things which you know nothing about. Is that how you've been trained to argue? Insult your opponent as many ways (an unorignal ways at that) possible?

And for the record, it is almost impossible to "roleplay" in an MMO. This just isn't a condusive format. It can be done, but it is very difficult, since almost everyone is always "out of character." For what its worth, my corp, which I formed, is anti-space capitalist, marxist inspired. So I attempted to play a role above and beyond mere "pirate." I am having trouble though seeing as how just plain YARRR!! pirating is one dimensional, or lacking of worth as a "role" in an MMO. Unless of course, you would assert that RL pirates play no "role" in the real world, and the history of the real world.

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Originally by: Scoundrelus

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....If even odds are that 20 vs 2 you had in Eifer/Gusandall the other day then your perception of "even" is skewed....

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Originally by: rockmeister

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I get that all the time against for example UF in metro challenged them to a 2v3 (our side 2) and they blobbed me ohh well same as warping off from 1v1 which is more common but no reason to btch about it for 5 pages....

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Originally by: Sanka Cofie

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Originally by: Sanka Cofie

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Come on guys.. don't just come in here and gripe. What about the roll??

[Roll the dice to find your gripe. Match the die roll to the corresponding whine.]

If you roll a One: Karlemgne you're a bad bad man. If you pirate in EVE the terrorists have already won. You represent all that is horrible about humanity. You're a crap human being in real life.

If you roll a Two: Karlemgne you must be 12 and nobody loves you and you're immature and retarded and go to school on the short bus.

If you roll a Three: Karlemgne you must be one of those 30 year old guys who lives with his mother and works a dead end job and never gets laid so you pirate in EVE to make you feel better about your crap life.

If you roll a Four: Shouldn't you be playing CounterStrike you stupid smack-talking shoot-everything idiot. This is an RPG. Play a role. Don't just shoot stuff for no reason. You just shoot stuff because you're stupid and unimaginative. [Disregard if you're actually talking ****.]

If you roll a Five: OMG YOU ****!!! WHY DON'T YOU EVER FIGHT FAIR!!!1 ITS CUZ YOU'RE A COWARD!!! THATS WHY!!! COME BACK IN A SHIP THAT SUCKS AND I'LL OWN YOU!!!

If you roll a Six: Roll again.

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More insulting bulls***. And people say pirates are the griefers. I'm not sure why my rather valid points are met with worthless slanders about my life, and my eve playstyle, things which you know nothing about. Is that how you've been trained to argue? Insult your opponent as many ways (an unorignal ways at that) possible?

And for the record, it is almost impossible to "roleplay" in an MMO. This just isn't a condusive format. It can be done, but it is very difficult, since almost everyone is always "out of character." For what its worth, my corp, which I formed, is anti-space capitalist, marxist inspired. So I attempted to play a role above and beyond mere "pirate." I am having trouble though seeing as how just plain YARRR!! pirating is one dimensional, or lacking of worth as a "role" in an MMO. Unless of course, you would assert that RL pirates play no "role" in the real world, and the history of the real world.

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Breath in. Breath out. Calm down.

I was making fun of peoples kneejerk responses to being podded, by saying that they shouldn't just spout of the first stupid thing that comes to mind... but roll a die and select it from the fine list I compiled.

I don't mean to tell you how to conduct your affairs... but maybe you should switch to decaf?

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Originally by: LoganFire

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Who cares as this happens every day in eve

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Quote:

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- Numbers alone do not win a battle
- No, but I bet they help.

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Originally by: Sadist

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Well here's a valuable lesson for the OP then - dont let your buddies accept duels AT A GODDAMN STATION, for it is stupid and I have said so.

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Originally by: Lyrecos

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Scoundrelous

that's a lot of venom to be spitting over a game.

but thx for pointing out that our killboard needed to be secured. It was irritating to have to sift out the 100+ newbie frigate kills you spammed it with - but it only took a couple of quick queries and a little script tweaking to correct. It was sloppy of me to leave the door swinging open like that. Anything that actually involved an EVF member and postdated the boards going online is still there.

for clarity - we do post our losses as well as our kills. It's all useful data. But nothing that predates the first entry.

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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin

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Ugh,

a bit childish to spam someones killboard with a bunch of nonsense because you're mad about the breaking of a 1v1. Imo.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Disgusting.

Why is it that self-proclaimed "anti-pirates" dishonor duels more than pirates do?

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Originally by: Lyrecos

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Scoundrelous

that's a lot of venom to be spitting over a game.

but thx for pointing out that our killboard needed to be secured. It was irritating to have to sift out the 100+ newbie frigate kills you spammed it with - but it only took a couple of quick queries and a little script tweaking to correct. It was sloppy of me to leave the door swinging open like that. Anything that actually involved an EVF member and postdated the boards going online is still there.

for clarity - we do post our losses as well as our kills. It's all useful data. But nothing that predates the first entry.

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Originally by: Lyrecos

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Scoundrelous

that's a lot of venom to be spitting over a game.

but thx for pointing out that our killboard needed to be secured. It was irritating to have to sift out the 100+ newbie frigate kills you spammed it with - but it only took a couple of quick queries and a little script tweaking to correct. It was sloppy of me to leave the door swinging open like that. Anything that actually involved an EVF member and postdated the boards going online is still there.

for clarity - we do post our losses as well as our kills. It's all useful data. But nothing that predates the first entry.

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Slander and lies. Before Scound started posting your losses on your killboard, none were recorded. Now its very clear, after posting only your losses EVF is now not even in the top 5 corps on its own killboards.

That must hurt the ego?

-Karlemgne

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Originally by: Traxio Nacho

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I think you lot need to look up what slander means

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Originally by: Scoundrelus

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Originally by: Traxio Nacho

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I think you lot need to look up what slander means

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I'm lazy, enlighten me (english is my second language but I do speak it rather well).

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Originally by: Traxio Nacho

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I think you lot need to look up what slander means

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Originally by: Lyrecos

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Edited by: Lyrecos on 02/10/2006 02:40:46
we've no reason to lie on our boards. our killboards were never meant for outside eyes. just keeping a history of hostility so we know who is who, who flies with who, hunts with who, in what ship and where.

we don't advertise the address (though you have certainly gone out of your way to do so) and I even googled our corp and the current website didn't appear, so how you found it is up for a bit of speculation.

and as for "proving" anything - neither of us can really do that now can we. killmails are easily fabricated. this is all just you needing someone to be mad at.

but as a friend of mine once said
"you won an argument on the internet? oh yeah - that's meaningful."

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Originally by: Lyrecos

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Edited by: Lyrecos on 02/10/2006 02:40:46
we've no reason to lie on our boards. our killboards were never meant for outside eyes. just keeping a history of hostility so we know who is who, who flies with who, hunts with who, in what ship and where.

we don't advertise the address (though you have certainly gone out of your way to do so) and I even googled our corp and the current website didn't appear, so how you found it is up for a bit of speculation.

and as for "proving" anything - neither of us can really do that now can we. killmails are easily fabricated. this is all just you needing someone to be mad at.

but as a friend of mine once said
"you won an argument on the internet? oh yeah - that's meaningful."

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Originally by: Lyrecos

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Scoundrelous

that's a lot of venom to be spitting over a game.

but thx for pointing out that our killboard needed to be secured. It was irritating to have to sift out the 100+ newbie frigate kills you spammed it with - but it only took a couple of quick queries and a little script tweaking to correct. It was sloppy of me to leave the door swinging open like that. Anything that actually involved an EVF member and postdated the boards going online is still there.

for clarity - we do post our losses as well as our kills. It's all useful data. But nothing that predates the first entry.

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Originally by: Scoundrelus

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Edited by: Scoundrelus on 02/10/2006 03:50:29
Karl, do try to confine all your comments to ONE post please... This thread is six pages and most of it is you.

Oh and ignore EVF posters, they're quite pointless.

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