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Van Beyus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.01 22:52:20 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Van Beyus wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Van Beyus wrote:Kaldi Tsukaya wrote: You don't need to start a separate thread every time you have something new to post. So you're saying every character should have their own personal thread where they'd post all of their ideas? Sounds like an idea! Why don't you post it on your thread so we can discuss it? Not everyone, just the ones who can't seem to help stinking up the forums with every little brain fart that bubbles up in thier heads. And who will be responsible for the sanitation service? You? Are you an authority in the subject as a matter of fact? I'm dying to know that. Well, let's look at this objectively.
- Do you feel the urge to make a thread every time you imagine you have a way to improve something in the game?
- Do you feel that you don't need to bother searching the forums to see if your "Wonderful Idea" has been posted, usually repeatedly, before?
- Do you feel hurt when no one else seems to see how your "Wonderful Idea" will help in whatever little section of the game you call home?
- Does the above happen to you more than once per day?
If you said yes to any of the above, then the suggestion in this thread would probably apply to you. The only thing that really bothers me is arrogant players who think they have any authority over what is allowed and what is not allowed for other players to do. For this there are the forum rules and moderators. I shouldn't be prohibited from opening a new thread just because this shakes the fragile sense from some people of what is acceptable and what is not to be on the forums. If you're not interested in discussing an idea with valid arguments, just don't post on that thread. It will eventually fade into obscurity. Good or bad are subjective concepts. Different people face it differently and the world is full of differences, so if you want to avoid this reallity then dig yourself into a hole, otherwise just learn to deal with it.
I'm not online most of the time, but I won't change this signature when I do just to make your life easier.
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
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Posted - 2015.02.01 23:04:08 -
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Van Beyus wrote:
The only thing that really bothers me is...
Everything/everyone seems to bother you.
You don't seem to grasp the complexities of Eve mechanics or social interaction.
Perhaps it is not the game for you. |
Van Beyus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.01 23:08:21 -
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Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Van Beyus wrote:
The only thing that really bothers me is...
Everything/everyone seems to bother you. You don't seem to grasp the complexities of Eve mechanics or social interaction. Perhaps it is not the game for you.
You seem to know me pretty well.
Well, maybe not.
I'm not online most of the time, but I won't change this signature when I do just to make your life easier.
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Van Beyus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.01 23:10:44 -
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I'll stay playing it for as long as I want either way.
I'm not online most of the time, but I won't change this signature when I do just to make your life easier.
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
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Posted - 2015.02.01 23:39:43 -
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Van Beyus wrote:I'll stay playing it for as long as I want either way.
Of course. |
Van Beyus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.01 23:42:57 -
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Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Van Beyus wrote:I'll stay playing it for as long as I want either way. Of course. Unless, of course, one my forum animosities decides to come here and turn off my computer, but I don't believe that is going to happen. So let's quit the subject.
I'm not online most of the time, but I won't change this signature when I do just to make your life easier.
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
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Posted - 2015.02.01 23:46:07 -
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.02.02 03:05:49 -
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You might as well just call me out by name. It's true, you got me. I'll try to show some restraint from now on.
I don't think limiting per character will do what you intend because POTM (people other than me) can just use alt accounts to post.
CSM X: Sabriz Adoudel, Mike Azariah, Xander Phoena, Sugar Kyle, Corbexx, Jenshae Chiroptera, Marlona Sky
Highsec reform thread
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.02.02 05:37:52 -
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Van Beyus wrote:The only thing that really bothers me is arrogant players who think they have any authority over what is allowed and what is not allowed for other players to do. For this there are the forum rules and moderators. I shouldn't be prohibited from opening a new thread just because this shakes the fragile sense from some people of what is acceptable and what is not to be on the forums. If you're not interested in discussing an idea with valid arguments, just don't post on that thread. If no one is interested, it will eventually fade into obscurity. Good or bad are subjective concepts. Different people face it differently and the world is full of differences, so if you want to avoid this reallity then dig yourself into a hole, otherwise just learn to deal with it.
The thing is, even when we present valid arguments, people always denounce them as coming from bittervets afraid of change, or that it somehow "shakes the fragile sense from some people of what is acceptable," or else that somehow, simply because you came up with a bad idea, it is our fault that we do not simply bow down to your awesomeness.
Most of the suggestions made are made by people who don't fully understand either the mechanics behind what they want, or don't understand the mindset of the average Eve Online player, and how badly most ideas can be utterly abused by the playerbase. It's not that we think we have any authority over what is or is not allowed for others, but you can be damn sure we're going to point out every single bad idea you come up with, and if it's not one that's been posted a thousand times already, will point out why it's bad, for all that you'll not listen to it.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
"This reminds me - I must complain to my local butcher about him not catering to vegitarians." - admiral root responding to someone whining about too much PvP in Eve Online.
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Van Beyus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.02 12:04:56 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Most of the suggestions made are made by people who don't fully understand either the mechanics behind what they want, or don't understand the mindset of the average Eve Online player, and how badly most ideas can be utterly abused by the playerbase. It's not that we think we have any authority over what is or is not allowed for others, but you can be damn sure we're going to point out every single bad idea you come up with, and if it's not one that's been posted a thousand times already, will point out why it's bad, for all that you'll not listen to it.
If a player, new or old, presents an idea that does not takes into consideration some mechanic you are aware of, just saying that it is a bad idea will not help him acknowledge it. But the fact is, the majority of people commenting on this forum simply do not present any valid arguments. I know some things seem pretty obvious to veteran players but if you're not capable of articulating why it is so then maybe it is because it is not as obvious as you imagine. And sometimes... just sometimes (because I know you're fully aware of everything EvE related), maybe this happens just because you just got used to something the way it is and never considered it on a different way.
Right now I have people on a thread criticizing a suggestion to market/industry, who can't even tell what market/industry players use. There's also a lot of falacies when people realize they can't argue about why something is bad and realize it's just because THEY don't like it. One of my favorites so far is "devs must work on other things". It's funny how I can post it on ANY suggestion thread and it will sound like I'm making a reasonable comment.
Consider this: if you have to look into a character profile, number of likes, time of creation, corporation, or anything of the sort before you post anything about something he wrote then you're probably just being an arrogant prick and is not really considering his idea more than any of the preconceptions you have about the game.
P.S.:Btw, you don't have to bow to my awesomeness. The fact that you acknowledges it is enough for me.
I'm not online most of the time, but I won't change this signature when I do just to make your life easier.
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
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Posted - 2015.02.02 14:44:25 -
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Van Beyus wrote:
...the majority of people commenting on this forum simply do not present any valid arguments.
Van Beyus wrote:
P.S.:Btw, you don't have to bow to my awesomeness. The fact that you acknowledge it is enough for me.
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Van Beyus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.02 16:48:19 -
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Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:Van Beyus wrote:
...the majority of people commenting on this forum simply do not present any valid arguments.
Van Beyus wrote:
P.S.:Btw, you don't have to bow to my awesomeness. The fact that you acknowledge it is enough for me.
Check the one thread I'm discussing in that's still open. I don't know if the problem is people are too lazy to think about stuff before writing or if if they are A.I.s with pre-programmed responses. People say things like "programming this is hard", "this represents a security issue" without ever having writing a single line of code in their lives. And when I question them about it, they just stop posting. One guy said something like "this will look ugly" about a feature that doesn't even have a mockup for it. If this sort of stuff happened in one thread or another then I'd ignore it, but it seems like this is just the culture of F&I. It's very sad because a forum for ideas is supposed to be a creative environment. Players here, on the other hand, seems to love boasting about how they would never change a single feature in the game if that's not giving them an advantage.
Instead of limiting the number of threads per character I'd instead suggest that, as a pre-requisite for posting on F&I you have to suggest ideas yourself on a regular basis. You're not judges of American Talents or any **** like that. When I post an idea on this forum I don't expect you to say yes or no for it, I expect an intelligent discussion about how it will affect the gameplay.
P.S.: I'm serious about it, you don't have to bow down to me.
I'm not online most of the time, but I won't change this signature when I do just to make your life easier.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2322
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Posted - 2015.02.02 17:00:47 -
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You should check other forums on other games. Aside from small, close-knit groups, the EVE forums seem to me to be one of the best places for mature and informed discussion anywhere on the internet. I often come to Out of Pod Experience just to talk to reasonable people, because I can't find them on the forums made for the topic I'm discussing.
CSM X: Sabriz Adoudel, Mike Azariah, Xander Phoena, Sugar Kyle, Corbexx, Jenshae Chiroptera, Marlona Sky
Highsec reform thread
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Van Beyus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.02 18:07:52 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:You should check other forums on other games. Aside from small, close-knit groups, the EVE forums seem to me to be one of the best places for mature and informed discussion anywhere on the internet. I often come to Out of Pod Experience just to talk to reasonable people, because I can't find them on the forums made for the topic I'm discussing. I've been at other games suggestion forums. People can be passionate about their points of view but they usually discuss things rather than take an irreductible conservative position. Out of Pod Experience might be different, idk, but after my experience here I wouldn't say F&I is the place for a mature and informed discussion. It's quite the opposite.
I'm not online most of the time, but I won't change this signature when I do just to make your life easier.
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