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Bach
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 18:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Tyrian Solteuer
R.O.E = Rules of Engagement
Which you'd think would generally be pretty easy to follow if it was simple enough...you'd be surprised however to see how many "overview malfunctions" occurred pretty regularly.
Yes, a good number of which were SI Redleg with much prodding from OGBP players and allies to get us into conflict with ISS and KOS. A repeated call for corp wide votes to dissolve our NAP's with both ISS and KOS by OGBP, Redleg and they're alts lead to a collapse of the KOS NAP but the ISS NAP held strong and managed to out live the OGBP infiltration. Hind sight being 20-20 it should have been obvious the OGBP secretly wanted to hamper all our efforts to fight IAC. In the end as we discovered they had probably as many internal IAC contacts as they did in side CC it makes sense. They hacked the IAC boards the same as ours we should have realized they had planted characters inside it even then.
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Bach
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.28 18:21:00 -
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For my own experiences I would have to say the most problematic issue is the ability of players to buy characters and then be able to pretend to BE th original character or at least one much older than the real player.
It wasn't just the many OGBP alts spread throughout the alliance to cause dissention. We had occassions where a player sold off his account with all our BM's and such. Now he told us and that was kewl but if he had not. We'd not ever had known. On another occassion a characters account background was questionable as to who owned it. We had no way of knowing. One day the originator, a character in a hostile alliance, petitioned CCP and regained control of that character. Again we had no way to tell this character was formerely owned by someone else. So now we had a hostile entity with a charcter in our corps with full access to allthe hangers and everything. It worked out ok but it could have went really bad.
CCP should consider putting a flag into a characters employment history so we can have some protection or method of knowing a characetr isn't being played by the original owner any longer. I would say this "annonymous account switching" and having to fight young Eve players that buy a bunch of isk out of game and then purchase carrier pilots and carriers are some of the most damaging things to an alliance. Perhaps even Eve itself.
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Bach
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.29 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: DeathSpawn66
I wish you luck in my old alliance and look forward to many good fights. I would appreciate you asking your guys not to turn this into a flame war as I will ask my guys not to as well...
He is right and I don't believe anyone originally joined up with an intention to back stab. Its good to state how you felt and what you think the CC meant to you or even displeasure at certain turns of events. But try to keep it constructive and maybe a lessons learned type nature as you can to avoid flaming.
Kristoff - Man that brought back some memories. Those were some good times. You forgot the part of that 10 vs 10 BS battle when my Scorp ended up next to Gypsy's scorp. It was a fast moving confusing fight...I quickly dropped my drones on him and went for the 20km scramble as I noticed Gypsy was already hurt bad.....should have looked closer at the drone bay..  ...was my armor repairer drones..was wondering why he didn't seem to be taking much damage. Well I fixed him a little and he warped out.
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Bach
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.29 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Ravenwind
I'm just wondering, because I figured some people may now be in a spot where they can share information without damaging their interests.
The ISS never paid CC anything. It was just a means to reduce the number of enemies in the area and get some benefit out of commerce dealings with ISS corps. To their credit ISS leadership was consistant, fair and honorable the whole time. Better to us than some of our own allies.
After the CDC moved North there was no serious plans to actually take the IAC outpost. We were a PVP corp and the fights were good but we were too small. It remained a lofty "goal" but no practical method was at hand. There were some merc corps and a few alliances that some CC had contacted that could have lended the necessary firepower but winning for us wasn't that important and all such methods were turned down.
As for the hacking...this is a big sore spot with me towards IAC. I'm no angel and I don't mind an in game spy that IAC recruiters have a chance to foil. Out of game spying for me isn't kewl. When the first breach of the IAC boards was posted on our forums I didn't even read the whole thing as the info wasn't particularly valuable. I did aplaud the then CC OGBP for the effort. Then I saw the public forum posts and went back and reead the CC forum post and saw they had posted Black Horizon's password to everyone. Now realizing this was out of game me and some others spoke out and asked this never happen again.
Unfortunately, a month or so later it did again. I issued an apology to Crystoph publicaly and we set to task of cleaning up our out of control membership. We were ready to drop fighting the IAC altogether and get our crap sorted out. This ofcourse, lead to the 3am coup the next days. OGBP we not going to abide by Tyrell's tyranical rule sets. In the interests of democracy, piracy and freedom to hack people they tried to steal the CC and later created the BoI.
Now as to that IAC hack and Blackhorizon's pw. All you had to do was notice one of the two alts used to post that info publically was named BadmojoTX. If you call up the BPClan.com website and check membership for a familiar name and then look at who owns the site it doesn't take a Jovian propulsion scientist to figure out who hacked you. TODAY for the life of me I still don't understand why IAC allied to BoI other than they had internal spies as well as CC. They hacked our board by gaining membership access and then using third party programs to get our passwords so it would make sense the IAC hack was also purpetrated by an inside man. So here I am doing what I think is the right thing and backing the IAC and next thing I know your in bed with BoI singing campfire songs. What was up with that?
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Bach
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.29 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Bach on 29/09/2006 19:29:45
Originally by: Tribunal
So, because you did a moral "right" you feel that IAC should have stopped attacking CC the moment internal problems started happening for CC? If the same thing happened to IAC, as what happened to CC, are you honestly telling me that CC would have sat in curse space and not took advantage of the situation? Try moving out of the pre-conventional way of making ethical decisions and into the conventional way. Do acts because they are right and not because you expect a reward.
Having a NAP with an alliance does not mean that one is "in bed" with the alliance in question. I can count the number of times that a large IAC OP worked with a BOI OP on one hand, that I am aware of. BOI and IAC have different play styles, so have decided leave each other alone with a mutual respect. It's The same mutual respect (NAP) I am sure IAC would have given CC, a long time ago, if CC would have asked for it. Instead the situation was more akin to a person expecting help, when in trouble, even though this person has done nothing but continuously assaulted you day upon day.[/quote
Reward? So you think the only reason I did that was because I expected a reward.
1. You have nothing I need.
2. You have nothing I want, except maybe sharing some of your game time.
3. Your my opponent in an online game. Your not ebil, I'm not ebil and neither of us is really fighting for "survival". If I found out tommarrow someone had your passwords, Eve account info or potentially credit card data...I would still have a problem with that.
Mutual Respect? How much mutual respect do you think there was when they were tip toe'n through your boards ,possibly accounts and for some reason publically posting it? You guys got more respect from me on our worst day then you were ever getting from those guys on the best day you thought they were your friends.
The question never was "Why didn't you stop shooting CC".
It was "Why DID you ever stop shooting OGBP?"
We should all send the message that these things are never acceptable behavior no matter the in-game gains. It appears, correct me please if I am wrong, IAC gave them amnesty in exchange for a more favorable position in game vs. the CC.
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Bach
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.30 05:43:00 -
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Well before the thread is locked and its sure heading that way.
-ASS- to my knowledge, never did any out of game stuff. Luv or hate em, they only participated in the in-game stuff and this would include the coup attempt.
They were also one of the corps to honor the CC R.O.E. when there were others that didn't or seemed to have trouble doing so. Then again, they also participated in the coup to rid the strings of certain unpopular rules.....namely the R.O.E.
-ASS- is very difficult to describe. There is some form of a pirate code of honor there. It may be twisted, mutated and written in crayon, but something is there. The rest of us, and probably some -ASS- members have no clue what it really is. 
 For the bazillionth time! ISS never paid CC any isk. But if it'll make you happy we'll take donations.
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