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erg cz Tribal Core 133	Posted - 2015.02.03 12:03:09 - [31] - Quote Every time I leave capsule, I know I can die without clone to jump in. So brave capsuler is the one, who geopardise his inmortality and works in his own legs...
Vyl Vit 1032	Posted - 2015.02.03 12:07:24 - [32] - Quote You lose nothing in this, or any other game, if you lose everything.* Ego-driven acts of "sacrifice" do not constitute what your culture calls "bravery." IT might be defined as generosity of a sort, however, there must be assurance one isn't giving with both hands - giving to get. As Serene said, we have to take someone's word for that, and as EVE players love to boast, your word means nothing here. I do find it amusing the same people who objectify others to justify their sociopathic behavior, now wish to see themselves as "brave" - a sentiment in the range of human elements they insist do not exist in this "sandbox." Unless, they are possessed by the despised "carebear" whom they would will from creation itself. The word is "jeopardize." Beware people who call themselves brave. Just don't turn your back on them. *Bravery involves the possiblility of losing something dear; an arm, a leg, perhaps...your LIFE. Anyone with any sense has already left town.
VaIefar Drekavac Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 26	Posted - 2015.02.03 12:11:10 - [33] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: Assets can be replaced, ships and crew are meaningless to us especially if a coalition is underwriting our battles. I am still waiting for my former assets to replace themselves. Is there a button I've missed or need I updating my client or something?
Pok Nibin Filial Pariahs 477	Posted - 2015.02.03 12:27:09 - [34] - Quote The Titans may have made war on The Gods, but they certainly didn't WIN. The Gods fought insolence, not a viable threat. Ask Atlas. Unbeknownst to Ayn, he never shrugged. Or, ask Sisyphus. His myth hangs around you like a rolling stone. Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
Grauth Thorner Vicious Trading Company 416	Posted - 2015.02.03 12:28:51 - [35] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: I was driving home from work the other day and caught part of a philosophy program on the BBC. The gist of it was that in the times of the ancient Romans and Greeks many philosophers thought that men were superior to the Gods on the grounds that the Gods by virtue of being immortal and unkillable could not know fear and as such could not be brave. Men by virtue of the fact that they could be killed can of course know fear and bravery. This is a state impossible for Gods. I immediately thought of us immortal capsuleers, who can get killed and re-cloned in a hearbeat. Technically we can not know death so does this mean that we can not be brave? Assets can be replaced, ships and crew are meaningless to us especially if a coalition is underwriting our battles. So I ask can any of us know bravery? If fear only had to do with being able to get killed, then I suppose no one could know bravery within the game. But fear goes way beyond that. For instance one could be affraid to lose their ship they cannot afford to lose. One could be affraid to make decisions that lead to the destruction of their corp/alliance. One could be affraid of (public) humiliation. Therefore capsuleers can be brave. How many % of the capsuleers who actually made a decision that requires bravery is a different question. Create your own in-game shiplabels: >EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread >iciclesoft.com
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2706	Posted - 2015.02.03 12:42:44 - [36] - Quote My only fear is that someone will dig up pictures of me, from the darker days of my life, wearing a combination of fedora and MLP t-shirt. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Leannor Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates. 79	Posted - 2015.02.03 13:05:44 - [37] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: I was driving home from work the other day and caught part of a philosophy program on the BBC. The gist of it was that in the times of the ancient Romans and Greeks many philosophers thought that men were superior to the Gods on the grounds that the Gods by virtue of being immortal and unkillable could not know fear and as such could not be brave. Men by virtue of the fact that they could be killed can of course know fear and bravery. This is a state impossible for Gods. I immediately thought of us immortal capsuleers, who can get killed and re-cloned in a hearbeat. Technically we can not know death so does this mean that we can not be brave? Assets can be replaced, ships and crew are meaningless to us especially if a coalition is underwriting our battles. So I ask can any of us know bravery? bravery is a foolish thing in my view. If you fail, and die, ... well, bit pointless now isn't it, all that bravery lark. You'd still be alive if you'd keep sensible. Dosen't beneift you now does it ... "Lykouleon wrote: STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Leannor Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates. 79	Posted - 2015.02.03 13:06:31 - [38] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: My only fear is that someone will dig up pictures of me, from the darker days of my life, wearing a combination of fedora and MLP t-shirt. at least you're wearing something ... "Lykouleon wrote: STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Shin Jan Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.02.03 13:27:11 - [39] - Quote Being brave in Eve Online : 1. Create a new global corporation (PVP, industry, business ect) and unite your wingmen. 2. Approach other corporations, likely to create an alliance. 3. Confront with another alliance, and conquer Space. 4. Keep this Space
Baneken Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 461	Posted - 2015.02.03 13:28:47 - [40] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: Some call it bravery. I call it moonshine. Indeed, ain't nothing like a bottle of Dutch courage on Saturday nights to keep you going.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 119	Posted - 2015.02.03 13:32:26 - [41] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: If the Greek gods were so immortal; where are they now? Xena killed them all with magical Jesus powers. Yeah, just had the same thought Actually, I think "bravery" is a strong word for a game ... but sometimes your consciousness can't separate so clearly between RL feelings and the game in the heat and intensity of a battle. Personally my willingness to sacrifice something for the group or commit to a potentially risky fight to some extend is a function of my in-game wallet and current killboard stats. I'm my own NPC alt.
Aladar Dangerface Absolutely Certain 131	Posted - 2015.02.03 14:16:55 - [42] - Quote Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. Edit: Suffering leads to tear filled whiney posts :) Oh c'mon how can i be the first person to post this in this thread I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.
Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 856	Posted - 2015.02.03 14:17:51 - [43] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: I immediately thought of us immortal capsuleers, who can get killed and re-cloned in a hearbeat. Technically we can not know death so does this mean that we can not be brave? Assets can be replaced, ships and crew are meaningless to us especially if a coalition is underwriting our battles. That is true, but unlike Greek gods, we, players, are not immortal and out time cannot be replaced. So happens that our time as capsuleers is the same one we can use for something that is not EVE, especially not the part of the game we don't like (grinding, buying replacements, moving them, insert whatever you don't like). So in a sense, some events in eve lead to losing part of irreplaceable time of your life in a way you probably didn't want to spend it, somehow coming close to what can, accordingly to this piece of philosophy, cause fear that the brave is able to overcome - not relieving you of your life ofc, but of a part of it... kinda, sorta. As close as video game can be, at least.
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting 1698	Posted - 2015.02.03 14:48:21 - [44] - Quote All characters in all MMO's are more or less immortal. What modern MMO uses permadeath? Wizardry Online is the only one I can think of, and it's mechanics were as such that one needed to do a lot of effort to lose a character permanently, and then still the player would lose only partial progress (as most data was stored in in a "Soul" that covered all characters). I think being brave in Eve Online means doing the stuff that puts your relationships with others on the line. Lossing allies and friends is more detrimental then losing assets, since those can be easily replaced compared to "human resources".
Soldarius Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent 1072	Posted - 2015.02.03 14:53:45 - [45] - Quote Anyone can be brave. https://gate.eveonline.com/Corporation/Brave%20Newbies%20Inc._ See? Open recruitment. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 29661	Posted - 2015.02.03 21:13:44 - [46] - Quote Not only do you get to be brave, you get to be brave and stupid! President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 302	Posted - 2015.02.03 23:19:08 - [47] - Quote Nami Kumamato wrote: Mharius Skjem wrote: I was driving home from work the other day and caught part of a philosophy program on the BBC. The gist of it was that in the times of the ancient Romans and Greeks many philosophers thought that men were superior to the Gods on the grounds that the Gods by virtue of being immortal and unkillable could not know fear and as such could not be brave. Men by virtue of the fact that they could be killed can of course know fear and bravery. This is a state impossible for Gods. I immediately thought of us immortal capsuleers, who can get killed and re-cloned in a hearbeat. Technically we can not know death so does this mean that we can not be brave? Assets can be replaced, ships and crew are meaningless to us especially if a coalition is underwriting our battles. So I ask can any of us know bravery? Unlike the Gods, your immortality is susceptible to how much ISK you have. Once the space-benjamins run out - so does your immortality. There's no costs for clones anymore... A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve... Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 302	Posted - 2015.02.03 23:21:29 - [48] - Quote VaIefar Drekavac wrote: Mharius Skjem wrote: Assets can be replaced, ships and crew are meaningless to us especially if a coalition is underwriting our battles. I am still waiting for my former assets to replace themselves. Is there a button I've missed or need I updating my client or something? Get out there and earn some more isk, you'll soon get them back. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve... Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
J'Poll Green Skull LLC 5784	Posted - 2015.02.03 23:22:59 - [49] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: If the Greek gods were so immortal; where are they now? Hiding from the debt collectors. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 29662	Posted - 2015.02.03 23:35:19 - [50] - Quote There was an op a while ago where I lost my ship and stayed with fleet in my pod. Our scout found a gate camp of nado and other things. We were in cruisers, and it didn't look so great. FC told us to jump and hold cloak for a bit before starbursting. I took the opportunity to leeroy jenkins and wasted the Nado's first volley, as well as drawing off everyone else's locks. We ended up eating the camp alive. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 2437	Posted - 2015.02.03 23:54:05 - [51] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: If the Greek gods were so immortal; where are they now? Hiding from the debt collectors. and paternity suits m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Celestia Via Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance 8	Posted - 2015.02.04 01:40:37 - [52] - Quote Its all a matter of interpretation, I believe you can be brave(naive) in EvE, taking whatever risks the game has to offer. Now, if your idea of bravery is just life-threatening situations, well, dont play videogames. I know this is not a roleplay thread, but its worth to consider this : You as a player know, that whatever happens worst case is losing ISK. Your character however needs to be brave all the time, noone enjoys a violent death in void, nor are they ever 100% sure that clone technology will not malfunction this time around. Even if clone tech was real and you knew death would not be permanent, wouldnt it take some balls for you to go get blown up in a spacecraft? While we, the players have absolutely nothing to fear while playing a game, some games actually do manage to inspire fear and thus bravery by overcoming said fear. It is what seperates a mediocre game from a good one. After all, George S. Patton wrote: Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood. Virtual battle has winners and losers all the same. And noone likes losing. Nevermind the ISK. The fear of defeat itself is strong enough, I would call brave anyone who overcomes it.
Solops Crendraven Solops Inc 80	Posted - 2015.02.04 02:03:05 - [53] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: I was driving home from work the other day and caught part of a philosophy program on the BBC. The gist of it was that in the times of the ancient Romans and Greeks many philosophers thought that men were superior to the Gods on the grounds that the Gods by virtue of being immortal and unkillable could not know fear and as such could not be brave. Men by virtue of the fact that they could be killed can of course know fear and bravery. This is a state impossible for Gods. I immediately thought of us immortal capsuleers, who can get killed and re-cloned in a hearbeat. Technically we can not know death so does this mean that we can not be brave? Assets can be replaced, ships and crew are meaningless to us especially if a coalition is underwriting our battles. So I ask can any of us know bravery? Bravery? If The Risk is not worth the reward no one will die for it Bottom line.... Check Me Out!!! On Twitch Tv 24/7 Coming soon! Hug a Suicide Stealth Bomber Pilot Today!! enter link description here
Serene Repose 2170	Posted - 2015.02.04 04:44:37 - [54] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: There was an op a while ago where I lost my ship and stayed with fleet in my pod. Our scout found a gate camp of nado and other things. We were in cruisers, and it didn't look so great. FC told us to jump and hold cloak for a bit before starbursting. I took the opportunity to leeroy jenkins and wasted the Nado's first volley, as well as drawing off everyone else's locks. We ended up eating the camp alive. And, when you were podded your computer blew up, your credit dried up, the store wouldn't even talk to you, you never got online again, and it was your last act in EVE Online...right? Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Literally Space Moses GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 120	Posted - 2015.02.04 05:37:32 - [55] - Quote I'd rather be immortal tbh #T2013
Skydell Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 676	Posted - 2015.02.04 05:47:32 - [56] - Quote I would think Bravado might be better suited for EVE
Altrue Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 1599	Posted - 2015.02.04 06:07:42 - [57] - Quote Nods Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
Paynus Maiassus Capital Munitions 226	Posted - 2015.02.04 07:31:32 - [58] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: I was driving home from work the other day and caught part of a philosophy program on the BBC. The gist of it was that in the times of the ancient Romans and Greeks many philosophers thought that men were superior to the Gods on the grounds that the Gods by virtue of being immortal and unkillable could not know fear and as such could not be brave. Men by virtue of the fact that they could be killed can of course know fear and bravery. This is a state impossible for Gods. I immediately thought of us immortal capsuleers, who can get killed and re-cloned in a hearbeat. Technically we can not know death so does this mean that we can not be brave? Assets can be replaced, ships and crew are meaningless to us especially if a coalition is underwriting our battles. So I ask can any of us know bravery? First, in Eve, you can join the Brave Collective. Second, please use the small 'g' when referring to Greek gods so you don't **** off the real God. Third, death is not the only form of loss. Death is not the only thing to fear. Immortals can suffer fates worse than death. Promethius was immortal and suffered a fate worse than death. Bravery is always possible.
Celestia Via Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance 9	Posted - 2015.02.04 09:34:02 - [59] - Quote Paynus Maiassus wrote: Second, please use the small 'g' when referring to Greek gods so you don't ** off the real God. Third, death is not the only form of loss. Death is not the only thing to fear. Immortals can suffer fates worse than death. Promethius was immortal and suffered a fate worse than death. Bravery is always possible. Homer Simpson wrote:** Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder! Greek Gods are as real as your real God, please refrain from such comments so as to not offend anyone's faith, it is not the point of these forums I think. Other than that, I fully agree.
Leannor Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates. 80	Posted - 2015.02.04 09:59:31 - [60] - Quote Celestia Via wrote: Paynus Maiassus wrote: Second, please use the small 'g' when referring to Greek gods so you don't ** off the real God. Third, death is not the only form of loss. Death is not the only thing to fear. Immortals can suffer fates worse than death. Promethius was immortal and suffered a fate worse than death. Bravery is always possible. Homer Simpson wrote: Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder! Greek Gods are as real as your real God, please refrain from such comments so as to not offend anyone's faith, it is not the point of these forums I think. Other than that, I fully agree. pretty sure anyone who believes in their god, by definition will not believe in other gods, and by a cobinmation of logic and awareness they must know other people must believe in other gods, therefore they wouldn't belive ein their god(s), thus will understand people standing up for their own god. Or should do. :) "Lykouleon wrote: STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS**"

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