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Kayai Hinkledolph and K Associates	Posted - 2006.09.29 16:57:00 - [1] I am very dissapointed with the Dmg from Deimos. With maxed skills, a rack of Ion II and 1 x magstab II i expected a LOT more damage I used Null and Antimatter and neither was upto what i was expecting :( OK so i crucify tech1 cruisers, but against BC i was very dissapointed in the DMG output... Anyone else comment on thier Deimos? Am i missing something?
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.29 16:59:00 - [2] its not as good as it is made out to be. it has many, well documented problems.
Dixon Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.29 17:27:00 - [3] HACs are not supposed to be solopwnmobiles, the deimos designers seem to have taken that very seriously. - - - - - - I have no strong feelings one way or the other...
xlop Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.29 17:28:00 - [4] Originally by: slothe its not as good as it is made out to be. it has many, well documented problems. DPS is not one of them luckly to the op, you should toast any BC really fast, that is not the problem, the problem is that a BC will be able to eat you fast too!! a deimos would loose to AC-cyclone, blaster-brutix, pulse-prophecy. with the new tier 2 BC it will most probably loose to all them aswell!! the only time a deimos shines is when nothing is shooting/nosing/webing/droning it, ie it just pumps out dps. but fighting anyone competant the first thing they will do is nosf that deimos, or ecm it, or shoot at it, since it is so easy to kill! also, if fighting BC definitly switch to void!! it will add a LOT more dps -- Imperial College London FTW --
Fenderson Ridin' Dirty Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.29 18:01:00 - [5] Edited by: Fenderson on 29/09/2006 18:01:33 my skills are by no means maxed and i get wrecking shots for 500-600 with heavy ion blaster IIs. You will get no complaints from me about deimos DPS. Your best bet is to use VOID as much as possible and carry a web if you are solo. Deimos has a rather disappointing tank tho, especially when nossed. Its too bad plates dont overpower a diemos the way large extenders do for a vaga... real men structure tank
Kayai Hinkledolph and K Associates	Posted - 2006.09.29 18:49:00 - [6] 5-600 wreckings? Against structure yes? I played with a blaster/nos brutix, just beat him but i had 0 cap left Played with a T1 Pulse Proph and was too close for my liking But i owned stupidly a Ferox with Heavy Missiles I have 80%+ resists across the board, MARII and IONII's I can 'tank' ok but yes if i am nos i am dead I don't want to be a solo pwn mobile, just actually do some sick dmg What 'avg' dmg are you seeing within optimal with IONs and 1 mag stab?
Fenderson Ridin' Dirty Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.29 18:59:00 - [7] with ion IIs, 1 mag stab, and void ammo firing on an averagely tanked ship, i get average shots of 2-300, maybe as low as 100-150 if the tank is exceptionally good. Wreckings against a tanked ship are around 450. Best shot i have ever done was around 650 (on a stationary target in structure) never seen the math but i have been told that a deimos can out damage an autocannon phoon. And given that my average shots with those heavy ions are better than what i get with 425 scout autos, i believe it. Hope this helps... real men structure tank
Harper04 United Society Starfleet Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.30 00:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Fenderson with ion IIs, 1 mag stab, and void ammo firing on an averagely tanked ship, i get average shots of 2-300, maybe as low as 100-150 if the tank is exceptionally good. Wreckings against a tanked ship are around 450. Best shot i have ever done was around 650 (on a stationary target in structure) never seen the math but i have been told that a deimos can out damage an autocannon phoon. And given that my average shots with those heavy ions are better than what i get with 425 scout autos, i believe it. Hope this helps... 2 mag stabs 2006.07.12 13:36:51 combat Your Heavy Ion Blaster II perfectly strikes Small Secure Container [U. S.], wrecking for 763.3 damage. And that's leaving another 5% or so damage left that could be done w/betterimplants and blaster spec 5. Don't remember, but my hac 5 might not have even been done at this point either...this was taken a few months ago. Deimos does plenty of damage for a hac...gimme more grid + cpu so i can fit a med nos instead of a small one
Mutant Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.30 00:47:00 - [9] If you want the best DPS possible then switch to T2 Neutrons and use Void ammo.But this would seriously gimp your tank so....
OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.30 00:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Kayai 5-600 wreckings? Against structure yes? I played with a blaster/nos brutix, just beat him but i had 0 cap left Played with a T1 Pulse Proph and was too close for my liking But i owned stupidly a Ferox with Heavy Missiles I have 80%+ resists across the board, MARII and IONII's I can 'tank' ok but yes if i am nos i am dead I don't want to be a solo pwn mobile, just actually do some sick dmg What 'avg' dmg are you seeing within optimal with IONs and 1 mag stab? Ever heard of a cap injector ? Also maybe try using some sort of strategy and drop one gun for another nos ? Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
Miracus	Posted - 2006.09.30 01:16:00 - [11] a deimos isnt exactly HIGHLY damaging in my opionion in terms of shot, but its its in theory ( with drones ) doing damage every moment. So its good for nailing tnaks etc
ElCoCo Gallente KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.09.30 04:32:00 - [12] Deimos is worth it's isk only for PvE, period. Ishtar is 10x better in pvp.
Spike 68 Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.09.30 06:45:00 - [13] Edited by: Spike 68 on 30/09/2006 06:46:34 Originally by: Kayai 5-600 wreckings? Against structure yes? I get about 5-600 dmg wreckings in armor and almost 800 in structure. with heavy ion IIs, just to support what he said
Jatonix FENN Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.30 10:09:00 - [14] Originally by: ElCoCo Deimos is worth it's isk only for PvE, period. Ishtar is 10x better in pvp. ditto ____________________________________________ CEO and still kick'in your ass since KIA Like this Sig..? Visit
Lucus Ranger Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.30 10:18:00 - [15] Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Ever heard of a cap injector ? Also maybe try using some sort of strategy and drop one gun for another nos ? Deimos has 3 meds, you can't fit a cap injector without gimping it in someway.. Injector > MWD = can't get into range of target.. Injector > Web = can't web target making it hard to keep in range and guns will find it harder to track.. Injector > Scram = target just warps away...
SkottE SkottE Technologies	Posted - 2006.09.30 11:39:00 - [16] Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Originally by: Kayai 5-600 wreckings? Against structure yes? I played with a blaster/nos brutix, just beat him but i had 0 cap left Played with a T1 Pulse Proph and was too close for my liking But i owned stupidly a Ferox with Heavy Missiles I have 80%+ resists across the board, MARII and IONII's I can 'tank' ok but yes if i am nos i am dead I don't want to be a solo pwn mobile, just actually do some sick dmg What 'avg' dmg are you seeing within optimal with IONs and 1 mag stab? Ever heard of a cap injector ? Also maybe try using some sort of strategy and drop one gun for another nos ? drop another gun? lmao _________________________________________ Want to build Tech2 equipment and ships? Take a look here to find out!
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.09.30 11:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Kayai 5-600 wreckings? Against structure yes? I played with a blaster/nos brutix, just beat him but i had 0 cap left Played with a T1 Pulse Proph and was too close for my liking But i owned stupidly a Ferox with Heavy Missiles I have 80%+ resists across the board, MARII and IONII's I can 'tank' ok but yes if i am nos i am dead I don't want to be a solo pwn mobile, just actually do some sick dmg What 'avg' dmg are you seeing within optimal with IONs and 1 mag stab? battlecruisers are designed to kill hacs.
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.09.30 11:42:00 - [18] deimos is a gank ship. dont expect elite guns elite drones and elite tanks on the same ship otherwise it would be overpowerd. either tank it, gank it.. or mix and match (which tbh sucks)
XGS Crimson	Posted - 2006.09.30 11:46:00 - [19] my setup. 1 electron 4 neutron II void. 1x nos (might not fit or be needed with the dps output) named mwd webber scrammer 2x t2 damage mod 3x resistance med repper. if that fits you will be hammering out more dps than a battleship... this ship is a gank made gun boat of close combat doom. DONT plate it.
Harper04 United Society Starfleet Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.30 18:01:00 - [20] Originally by: XGS Crimson my setup. 1 electron 4 neutron II void. 1x nos (might not fit or be needed with the dps output) named mwd webber scrammer 2x t2 damage mod 3x resistance med repper. if that fits you will be hammering out more dps than a battleship... this ship is a gank made gun boat of close combat doom. DONT plate it. there is no way that fits.
Sadist Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.30 18:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Kayai I am very dissapointed with the Dmg from Deimos. With maxed skills, a rack of Ion II and 1 x magstab II i expected a LOT more damage I used Null and Antimatter and neither was upto what i was expecting :( OK so i crucify tech1 cruisers, but against BC i was very dissapointed in the DMG output... Anyone else comment on thier Deimos? Am i missing something? Add 2nd magstab, max out surgical strike, get a +5% implant to med hybrid weapons, try faction magstabs. Can you give me your dmg modifier and ROF? òòòòòòòòòòòò VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Fenderson with ion IIs, 1 mag stab, and void ammo firing on an averagely tanked ship, i get average shots of 2-300, maybe as low as 100-150 if the tank is exceptionally good. Wreckings against a tanked ship are around 450. Best shot i have ever done was around 650 (on a stationary target in structure) never seen the math but i have been told that a deimos can out damage an autocannon phoon. And given that my average shots with those heavy ions are better than what i get with 425 scout autos, i believe it. Hope this helps... hmm how do you get so high dmg shots? I get usually 100-150 with Null ammo, and have HAC lvl4, 5% dmg implant, mag stab too. dmg mod is 8.03 or something like that (cant recall). So how you get higher dmg than me by so much? afaik only skills which can affect dmg output are Med hybrids (its lvl5, obviously, and then specs, but thats only 2% per level, so cant really explain the diffrence. Then there is HAC lvl5.. I doubt you have it at lvl5, and even if so, the 5% implant gives me same bonus you would have... ------------------ Save Deimos!
Deety VSP Corp.	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:24:00 - [23] [ 2006.08.10 02:14:08 ] (combat) Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Asteroid Colony, wrecking for 1218.6 damage. [ 2006.07.29 07:27:56 ] (combat) Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Guristas Space Telescope, wrecking for 938.8 damage. [ 2006.07.29 07:33:36 ] (combat) Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Pithum Ascriber, wrecking for 810.1 damage. Deimos definitely can put out some damage :)
wierchas noobhunter Caldari Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Deety [ 2006.08.10 02:14:08 ] (combat) Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Asteroid Colony, wrecking for 1218.6 damage. [ 2006.07.29 07:27:56 ] (combat) Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Guristas Space Telescope, wrecking for 938.8 damage. [ 2006.07.29 07:33:36 ] (combat) Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Pithum Ascriber, wrecking for 810.1 damage. Deimos definitely can put out some damage :) so i get better with my rax ^^ and next time shoot ship to npc with 0 resistences join me be cool
Tennotsukai Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.09 16:16:00 - [25] Edited by: Tennotsukai on 09/10/2006 16:20:10 Edited by: Tennotsukai on 09/10/2006 16:19:27 Originally by: XGS Crimson my setup. 1 electron 4 neutron II void. 1x nos (might not fit or be needed with the dps output) named mwd webber scrammer 2x t2 damage mod 3x resistance med repper. if that fits you will be hammering out more dps than a battleship... this ship is a gank made gun boat of close combat doom. DONT plate it. The Deimos doesn't have Grid to fit that .. even if you didn't fit the nos your still lacking the cpu. Edit: due to being too hostile
Deety VSP Corp.	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:01:00 - [26] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Deety [ 2006.08.10 02:14:08 ] (combat) Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Asteroid Colony, wrecking for 1218.6 damage. [ 2006.07.29 07:27:56 ] (combat) Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Guristas Space Telescope, wrecking for 938.8 damage. [ 2006.07.29 07:33:36 ] (combat) Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Pithum Ascriber, wrecking for 810.1 damage. Deimos definitely can put out some damage :) so i get better with my rax ^^ and next time shoot ship to npc with 0 resistences I'd be curious to know what Thorax setup and skills you have that are giving you wreckings of over 1200 damage. I'd have posted more hits vs ships, but I don't have any on hand, those were handy so I posted them.
Cavtrooper A.W.M	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:31:00 - [27] Edited by: Cavtrooper on 09/10/2006 18:33:32 Originally by: XGS Crimson my setup. 1 electron 4 neutron II void. 1x nos (might not fit or be needed with the dps output) named mwd webber scrammer 2x t2 damage mod 3x resistance med repper. if that fits you will be hammering out more dps than a battleship... this ship is a gank made gun boat of close combat doom. DONT plate it. How do you get this to fit? I have pretty good skills and allright implants, I can only fit 5 ION II's with a med cap nuet. The rest is about the same, though I only run one damage mod. With that I get 7.7 damage mod, 3.73 sec ROF. Using Null I hit a well tanked BS for 150 + average, and wrecking of about 350. Deimos doesnt do the damage to take on a bs, unless its a sniper or an idiot, BS wil be very difficult. But against cruisers it rocks. The only thing I dont like about it is the cap usage......I run out quick. Agree with the above though ISHTAR > DEIMOS for pvp 2 cents courtesy of CAVTROOPER visit www.awmcorp.co.uk for more utterly perposterous ideas
Izo Azlion Veto.	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Jatonix Originally by: ElCoCo Deimos is worth it's isk only for PvE, period. Ishtar is 10x better in pvp. ditto The Ishtar is good. Yes, infact, incredible. But boring.... No damage reports, just a bit of support from the mids, some nossing and some dronage... yawn. Running up to 1km from your enemy going all out broke with blasters that tear into ships like their butter? yes please. I much prefer my Deimos to my Ishtar. So much so, I'm getting rid of the Ishtar. Izo Azlion. ---

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