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Julianus Soter Moira. Villore Accords 246	Posted - 2015.02.03 07:51:53 - [1] - Quote To show your support for this message, like the post and complete the petition form available here. Greetings. Some of you might know me from previous messages on the Intergalactic Summit, the Seyllin Conferences, Arek'Jaalan, or the security operations we conduct inside Placid and Black Rise. Today, however, I wish to speak on a matter of critical importance for all peoples, and Empires. I speak to the Federation directly in this message, as she raised me, and supported me as a citizen and a Capsuleer. It is my hope that this message does not fall on deaf ears. Now that the reelection of President Roden is complete, and the electoral cycle concluded, it is time for the Federation to refocus on critical security issues that our people face. Following the catastrophic events at W477-P, a Jove Empire system, numerous 'structures' have been detected throughout Federation territory, as well as the rest of New Eden. In these systems, a host of cruiser-class vessels, termed Circadian Seekers, have infiltrated CONCORD-protected territory and begun a sophisticated surveillance operation of major space stations, facilities, and transiting ships, with no apparent effort to conceal themselves, as if daring us to attack. President Jacus Roden has committed to several campaign promises, including the strengthening of the Tripwire border protection system. We must raise issue with the usefulness of such a endeavor if entire space stations and fleets of Sleeper drones can appear inside our territory without explanation, comment, or response. I and the entirety of the Villore Accords, call upon Jacus Roden's Administration and the Federal Navy to respond to this imminent threat to the commerce and security of our citizens. Without a clear and decisive response to this incursion of our territory, we can only expect to have Federation sovereignty further diminished. Extensive research inside Anoikis, conducted by Arek'Jaalan and other organizations, suggests that the Sleeper civilization is capable of restocking and rebuilding its fleets of warships. In addition, the ability of their Hub facilities to repair and otherwise replenish themselves is clear. Sleeper technology enables their vessels to conduct point-to-point jumps through normal space, as well as transiting wormholes. Given the infiltration of Empire space by Sleeper 'scouts', along with the presence of newly revealed Cache facilities, there is both the means, and the apparent intention, for a large-scale offensive operation against New Eden. Of course, this has been the topic as a possibility for the past few years. The Seyllin Conferences have had numerous eminent scientists and tactical experts which discussed this issue. No formal comment was ever made by CONCORD on the possibility of Sleeper incursion. Indeed, the First Seyllin Conference, held five years ago in YC111, I spoke specifically to the fact that a number of high-energy signatures were detected inside Class 6 Anoikis space. These facilities were heavily defended, with a residue of a highly reactive isotope. It has been since speculated that this isotope is indeed Isogen-5, the same material that caused the cores of several stars to detonate during the Seyllin Incident, and now the W477-P supernova (and apparently repeated in numerous "Shattered Systems", now being documented by Arek'Jaalan supoporters). It is key to note that each time a star was destroyed or detonated in these systems, numerous unstable wormholes have been created throughout New Eden as a direct result. The Sleepers caching a large amount of the material required to create wormholes, before the wormholes were even created, seems to indicate their intention to use it, and indeed foreknowledge of the events that led to the wormholes forming. Therefore, the trajectory of events appears clear. Sleeper artificial intelligences and infomorphs, or whatever faction now controls their virtual reality-based civilization, appear to have had a clear plan to infiltrate and survey the Empires and Capsuleers of New Eden for quite some time. Now that they have a clear opportunity to do so on a large-scale, with the formation of new wormholes, the information collection process has only escalated. Information is power. With each passing moment, the weaknesses and strengths of every facility and combat vessel in New Eden is being systematically recorded and analyzed. In any other case in the course of civilized human foreign relations, uninvited surveillance of military resources by a foreign power is an act of war. Our Empires and Alliances may not be interested in war, but war appears to be very interested in us. Capsuleers and the Empires must unite and defeat the Sleeper presence inside New Eden, and prevent this situation from spiraling out of control before it is too late. President Jacus Roden, as the leader of the free universe, you must stand up and take the first step to bring about a response to this situation. To show your support for this message, like the post and complete the petition form available here. Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate 1724	Posted - 2015.02.03 15:39:25 - [2] - Quote The Federation government need to take some course of actions, claiming this is only an capsuleer problem would be ignorant. As they say "Better safe than sorry" Akrasjel Lanate General Director(CEO) of Naquatech Conglomerate Executor of Naquatech Syndicate Citizen of Solitude
Jennifer Starfall Repracor Industries 32	Posted - 2015.02.03 16:35:51 - [3] - Quote Hello, Julianus. It's been some time. I agree that the current incursions of Sleepers into k-space are a matter of concern for all, both capsuleers and baseliners. Unfortunately, I fear that addressing it in any kind of concerted manner may prove challenging. I agree with Mr. Lanate; however, this wouldn't be the first time for the empires to exhibit a willful ignorance where capsuleers are concerned. I'm also afraid that the message you are trying to send will get drowned out in the usual noise of hate and vitriol that gets directed at the Federation. I'm afraid that we may not see a united front against this threat until the situation reaches the same critical point that the Sansha incursions reached.
Anja Suorsa Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 323	Posted - 2015.02.03 16:41:13 - [4] - Quote I rather think it'll be contempt for the man delivering the message, as opposed to the Federation, that drowns his message. Perhaps if he wasn't such a spineless coward and populist opportunist, people may support or at the very least respect his causes.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6179	Posted - 2015.02.03 16:44:35 - [5] - Quote They started out just scanning things, and did not initially respond to attacks. Now they respond to being attacked, and call in reinforcements and are known to adapt their damage resistance. Some pilots have reported unprovoked attacks. And they attack capsules, something even the sleeper drones in wormhole space do not do. I think we'll be seeing this come to a head. We just might see a day when starship wrecks are all around and these things are everywhere. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Rinai Vero Moira. Villore Accords 395	Posted - 2015.02.03 17:44:20 - [6] - Quote Anja Suorsa wrote: I rather think it'll be contempt for the man delivering the message, as opposed to the Federation, that drowns his message. Perhaps if he wasn't such a spineless coward and populist opportunist, people may support or at the very least respect his causes. What is this even? Sounds more like a bitter ex lover with a grudge than a PYRE Combat Pilot. Sounds like Jules will be getting some ribbing in the GMVA Officer's Mess.
Jennifer Starfall Repracor Industries 32	Posted - 2015.02.03 18:22:52 - [7] - Quote Anja Suorsa wrote: I rather think it'll be contempt for the man delivering the message, as opposed to the Federation, that drowns his message. Perhaps if he wasn't such a spineless coward and populist opportunist, people may support or at the very least respect his causes. Anja, this is a matter that we need to look past personal and political differences on. This isn't just a GMVA or Federation issue. This is a threat affecting all of us. If it takes the Federation to get a response started, then so be it. Rinai Vero wrote: What is this even? Sounds more like a bitter ex lover with a grudge than a PYRE Combat Pilot. Sounds like Jules will be getting some ribbing in the GMVA Officer's Mess. You're not helping your case, Rinai.
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 28952	Posted - 2015.02.03 18:45:40 - [8] - Quote Yeah shoot the ancient advanced culture that isn't aggressive unless attacked. Brilliant. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Rinai Vero Moira. Villore Accords 396	Posted - 2015.02.03 18:56:40 - [9] - Quote My philosophy on Public Relations for GMVA is generally to rise above petty personal attacks. Not always. Any PYRE or GMVA pilot who wants to can freely engage each other in space. Considering our Executor regularly leads combat ops, Pilot Suorsa's accusation of cowardice rings as true as an offer to double your ISK in Jita. Making her insults on the IGS when she has every opportunity to take action in space is worthy only of ridicule.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4471	Posted - 2015.02.03 18:56:42 - [10] - Quote Anslo wrote: Yeah shoot the ancient advanced culture that isn't aggressive unless attacked. Brilliant. Totally agree. I recommend forming immediate fleets of those Incursii frigates and using them to poke Circadian sleepers until they react. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4471	Posted - 2015.02.03 18:57:56 - [11] - Quote Rinai Vero wrote: My philosophy on Public Relations for GMVA is generally to rise above petty personal attacks. Not always. Any PYRE or GMVA pilot who wants to can freely engage each other in space. Considering our Executor regularly leads combat ops, Pilot Suorsa's accusation of cowardice rings as true as an offer to double your ISK in Jita. Making her insults on the IGS when she has every opportunity to take action in space is worthy only of ridicule. Meh. One can only be 350km off the beacon watching that entire combat patrol getting dunked so often before accusations like that will start sticking. Of course, if Julianus has changed his tactics in the last six months or so, he has my apologies. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 28952	Posted - 2015.02.03 18:58:23 - [12] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Anslo wrote: Yeah shoot the ancient advanced culture that isn't aggressive unless attacked. Brilliant. Totally agree. I recommend forming immediate fleets of those Incursii frigates and using them to poke Circadian sleepers until they react. I also recommend loading all Incursii pods with High Grade Slave sets to ensure they cannot be defeated. That'll show them we mean business. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 28952	Posted - 2015.02.03 19:00:05 - [13] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Rinai Vero wrote: My philosophy on Public Relations for GMVA is generally to rise above petty personal attacks. Not always. Any PYRE or GMVA pilot who wants to can freely engage each other in space. Considering our Executor regularly leads combat ops, Pilot Suorsa's accusation of cowardice rings as true as an offer to double your ISK in Jita. Making her insults on the IGS when she has every opportunity to take action in space is worthy only of ridicule. Meh. One can only be 350km off the beacon watching that entire combat patrol getting dunked so often before accusations like that will start sticking. Of course, if Julianus has changed his tactics in the last six months or so, he has my apologies. My sides. In Orbit. He's right though. Watched him run plenty of times. ....then again watched PYRE dock plenty of times too when we roll around. I LOVE YOU PIETER. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1199	Posted - 2015.02.03 19:04:23 - [14] - Quote Anslo wrote: Yeah shoot the ancient advanced culture that isn't aggressive unless attacked. Brilliant. You're an idiot. As Mr. Soter stated in his first post, "In any other case in the course of civilized human foreign relations, uninvited surveillance of military resources by a foreign power is an act of war." They are being aggressive. You don't need to fire a gun to be aggressive. As for being an "ancient advanced culture," that is irrelevant. Mr. Soter, I agree with the majority of the message in your post, though I feel it would have been better for you to have addressed this petition to CONCORD and all of the civilized nations rather than just your own. Had your petition been directed towards the entire interstellar community instead of just your president, then I would sign.
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 28952	Posted - 2015.02.03 19:09:39 - [15] - Quote Funny you can actually give a damn about issues outside of your little puppet theater of a war zone. At least there's hope for you yet, kid. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1199	Posted - 2015.02.03 19:12:56 - [16] - Quote I very much do give a damn about issues that affect my home.
Rinai Vero Moira. Villore Accords 396	Posted - 2015.02.03 19:13:30 - [17] - Quote Everybody bails from engagements sometimes. I've seen Soter get primaried within 30 seconds plenty often. Speaking of tactics, I remember the good ol days in Enaluri when PYRE never flew much other than kitey Hookbills and Condors. I never called y'all cowards, but it was interesting how that setup allowed you to get easy kills on anything that couldn't catch you... and promptly run away from anything that could. Look, we can do this dance all day. Or, alternatively we might talk about what to do about the Sleepers who may or may not be planning to kill us all.
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 28952	Posted - 2015.02.03 19:14:19 - [18] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: I very much do give a damn about issues that affect my home. Funny, didn't seem that way a while ago. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1199	Posted - 2015.02.03 19:17:09 - [19] - Quote You aren't the one who gets to determine what those issues are, "kid".
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 28952	Posted - 2015.02.03 19:17:39 - [20] - Quote I and others with more guns sort of do. But hey, you keep living the dream. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 470	Posted - 2015.02.03 19:57:53 - [21] - Quote Anslo wrote: I and others with more guns sort of do. But hey, you keep living the dream. More guns. Than the Amarr Empire. Anslo wrote: But hey, you keep living the dream. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 28953	Posted - 2015.02.03 20:01:13 - [22] - Quote Well you're the ones who docked up, oh 'defenders of the Empire.' [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 470	Posted - 2015.02.03 20:08:39 - [23] - Quote Excuse me if we like to take a nap after a completed objective. Sleeping was certainly more interesting than what my ship's logs recorded in local. Your people really don't take being ignored very well do they? She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 28953	Posted - 2015.02.03 20:11:37 - [24] - Quote We don't take being bored very well. By the way, how's Ava? [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 470	Posted - 2015.02.03 20:14:05 - [25] - Quote Wherever she is, I imagine she's not resorting to such low tactics to bait a rise from people. Honestly Anslo, I expected more. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Anslo Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 28953	Posted - 2015.02.03 20:17:01 - [26] - Quote Oh well. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4474	Posted - 2015.02.03 23:35:05 - [27] - Quote Anslo wrote: Well you're the ones who docked up, oh 'defenders of the Empire.' Pro-tip. The secret to a proficient combat record is taking every fight you can't lose and avoiding every fight you can't win. Pro-tip 2. The secret to an amazing combat record is to offer a fight the enemy can't lose in order to bait them into a fight they can't win. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Julianus Soter Moira. Villore Accords 254	Posted - 2015.02.04 10:03:18 - [28] - Quote Is it truly possible for the Sleepers to be mindless automatons, like the Rogue Drones, when they have constructed large-scale, cloaked, and carefully protected Caches inside New Eden? Indeed, the sheer quantity of these facilities, and their mindfields, gas clouds, and other hazardous defenses, is quite astonishing. No other Empire force, or even Pirate organization, has been able to establish such facilities. No, what this is is a clear, adaptive response to the initial creation of the wormholes during the Seyllin Incident. indeed, it might have even been premeditated. Are we to simply wait around and hope that the Sleepers don't decide to start harvesting people, like the Sansha do, for additional 'information'? Is scanning truly enough for their obsessive level of information collection? My Amarrian friend points it out quite clearly: unauthorized surveillance and information collection of military facilities and vessels is an act of war. We must respond accordingly. We must act. President Roden, for all his words regarding security and stability during the campaign season, owes us that much. Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
Anja Suorsa Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 324	Posted - 2015.02.04 11:06:42 - [29] - Quote Rinai Vero wrote: My philosophy on Public Relations for GMVA is generally to rise above petty personal attacks. Not always. Any PYRE or GMVA pilot who wants to can freely engage each other in space. Considering our Executor regularly leads combat ops, Pilot Suorsa's accusation of cowardice rings as true as an offer to double your ISK in Jita. Making her insults on the IGS when she has every opportunity to take action in space is worthy only of ridicule. You'd do well to note that I am not a diplomat. I have no qualms in saying what I see and what I see is that Soter is not a combat leader. Not even a combat pilot. HeGÇÖs a snivelling bureaucrat attempting to garner public favour through some mealy mouthed words on current events. Similar to his demands that information be released on MidularGÇÖs death or his flimsy proclamations of system capture Moratoriums; attempts to paint himself as some noble crusader and leader among Capsuleers. He is neither. I daresay you* would be a more respectable and no doubt, capable, figurehead for your organisation. Soter is long since tainted. Jennifer Starfall wrote: Anja, this is a matter that we need to look past personal and political differences on. This isn't just a GMVA or Federation issue. This is a threat affecting all of us. If it takes the Federation to get a response started, then so be it. Then someone of worth should speak up. I donGÇÖt care where theyGÇÖre from or what their politics are. Soter simply isnGÇÖt that person and IGÇÖll be damned before I jump on his bandwagon.
Rinai Vero Moira. Villore Accords 396	Posted - 2015.02.04 15:02:40 - [30] - Quote Ah, the system capture moratorium was my sniveling bureaucratic attempt at something something. As I recall, PYRE actually followed suit with its own similar declaration. Anyway, your bitterness is duly noted.

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