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GenYslacker	Posted - 2006.09.30 14:51:00 - [1] I was looking at the BoB killboard, and noticed a few players had these on the Deimos. Anyone else use rails on a Deimos and have had luck with it? If so, what was the setup?
Bazman Caldari The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.30 14:59:00 - [2] It no doubt involved at least 2 RCU II's, given that you can't even fit 5 200mm Railgun II's on a Deimos without a PDU. ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a Gallente Whiner. Minmatar Whining is currently in training.
Devon Manticore Manticore Technologies	Posted - 2006.09.30 15:18:00 - [3] Edited by: Devon Manticore on 30/09/2006 15:21:16 Originally by: Bazman It no doubt involved at least 2 RCU II's, given that you can't even fit 5 200mm Railgun II's on a Deimos without a PDU. It¦s quite possible to fit 5 250 II without a rcu or pdu II. Tho u get about 13 pwoer left to play with but if u go for full gank (3 mag stabs, 3 tracking enhancers and 3 sensor booster). A bit risky to fit a 180m ship without tank but meh.. it isnt a solo ship when setuped like this. I havn¦t tried the setup above in action so can¦t tell how good it is. EDIT: this is with advanced weapon upgrades 5
wierchas noobhunter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.30 15:22:00 - [4] no dont fit rails on deimos ! JOIN cooolest channel in game "wierchas fan club" be cool ^^
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.30 15:26:00 - [5] 6 wcs
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.30 15:30:00 - [6] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter no dont fit rails on deimos ! Works for me, but i prefer astarte --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.30 19:18:00 - [7] I will point you to my stats. Look at most used gun, and most flown ship. You do not need 2 RCU IIs eather. And also, yes, the Astarte pwns more then a deimos, but the deimos locks faster. RIP MGRL
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.30 22:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Devon Manticore A bit risky to fit a 180m ship without tank but meh.. it isnt a solo ship when setuped like this. IIRC, BoB (or what it MC?) has publically stated at some point that they have one or more Deimos BPOs. This likely means that its really a 35-45m ship for their own pilots, meaning that they're more likely to use them in these kinds of "different" front line roles. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Idara Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.30 22:33:00 - [9] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: wierchas noobhunter no dont fit rails on deimos ! Works for me, but i prefer astarte Astarte with rails is pretty damn nice. Don't have to worry about getting that fat-assed behemoth into blaster range.
Android Mindslave Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.09.30 23:05:00 - [10] Originally by: Hllaxiu IIRC, BoB (or what it MC?) has publically stated at some point that they have one or more Deimos BPOs. This likely means that its really a 35-45m ship for their own pilots, meaning that they're more likely to use them in these kinds of "different" front line roles. It might be cheap for them to build the ships, but asset destruction should be calculated based on what the destroyed equipment could have easily been sold for on the market. If it costs them 40 mil to make it, and they can sell it for over 100 mil easily, then blowing that ship up costs them 100+ mil in assets, because the oppertunity to sell the ship for over 100 mil was destroyed along with the ship.
Draugz Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.30 23:15:00 - [11] Though creating the ship and selling it cheap to corp mates in the first place is to further benefit the corperation and lead them towards they're goal. While they could have gained another 100mil they might instead have destroyed assets worth five times more on they're enemies side. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes Join The Naruto Online Multiplayer Game http://www.naruto-arena.com
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.30 23:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Android Mindslave Originally by: Hllaxiu IIRC, BoB (or what it MC?) has publically stated at some point that they have one or more Deimos BPOs. This likely means that its really a 35-45m ship for their own pilots, meaning that they're more likely to use them in these kinds of "different" front line roles. It might be cheap for them to build the ships, but asset destruction should be calculated based on what the destroyed equipment could have easily been sold for on the market. If it costs them 40 mil to make it, and they can sell it for over 100 mil easily, then blowing that ship up costs them 100+ mil in assets, because the oppertunity to sell the ship for over 100 mil was destroyed along with the ship. Why? We don't sell them on the market in the first place so why should we calculate the value based on your mythical market value instead the real value to us.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.30 23:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Red Six Why? We don't sell them on the market in the first place so why should we calculate the value based on your mythical market value instead the real value to us. Because by choosing not to sell them on the market, you're refusing potential income. One may argue that holding a BP from the market limits its supply to the enemy or increases supply for corp use, which has value in its own right. But if that's the case then the value from that perspective is at least as much as the market would have bought them for, or you would have made a poor decision to withhold the BP. Hence, they cost you at least market price to field.
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.30 23:36:00 - [14] Edited by: Red Six on 30/09/2006 23:42:00 Edited by: Red Six on 30/09/2006 23:40:23 Originally by: inSpirAcy Originally by: Red Six Why? We don't sell them on the market in the first place so why should we calculate the value based on your mythical market value instead the real value to us. Because by choosing not to sell them on the market, you're refusing potential income. One may argue that holding a BP from the market limits its supply to the enemy or increases supply for corp use, which has value in its own right. But if that's the case then the value from that perspective is at least as much as the market would have bought them for, or you would have made a poor decision to withhold the BP. Hence, they cost you at least market price to field. All economics theoretical BS. The reality is the HACs we have the BPOs for cost BoB members what they cost to make and that's what they cost, no more no less. You can argue whatever theory you want it won't change reality. I pay a very small fee for my HACs compared to what you pay on the market. Edit: Just to clarify BoB isn't worried about the "potential hypothetical profits". Keeping BoB pilots in quality equipment is a much higher concern.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.30 23:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Red Six All economics theoretical BS. I'm glad my thought out and clearly explained argument was met with an equally worthy counterargument. Oh wait, it wasn't?
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.30 23:53:00 - [16] Originally by: inSpirAcy Originally by: Red Six All economics theoretical BS. I'm glad my thought out and clearly explained argument was met with an equally worthy counterargument. Oh wait, it wasn't? That's because your argument requires us to be on the same playing field playing the game in the same manner. We are not playing Eve as an economic simulation so theorectical economics don't matter to us. We've stated that several different times and yet people still keep on about "market value" should be what we value HACs at. I could give you a reasoned argument but every time that's been done people ignore it to press their own theory telling us how we should play. So simple blunt statement is what I presented instead. I'm sorry it didn't meet your expectations.
TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.01 00:09:00 - [17] Farjung likes to fit 250mm railguns II on his Deimos.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.01 00:12:00 - [18] Excellent, haven't had this conversation for a week :) Can all of those that choose to play Eve like railroad tycoon, please stop dragging the thread off topic? As for the fitting, I've used in plenty of times in the past as well. Works well. As mentioned, with good fitting skills you can fit a setup without fitting mods.
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.01 00:14:00 - [19] Originally by: TWD Farjung likes to fit 250mm railguns II on his Deimos. If that isn't a positive endorsement for the setup I don't think you'll find one.
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.01 00:17:00 - [20] Theres no opportunity lost because there was never any opportunity to sell. We're not sellers, we are buyers. Have isk, need ship. Get it? One of the stupider arguments to grace these boards. Back on topic though, the only good thing about the Astarte is that it can fit a rack of 250mm rails easily. Otherwise its just a blasterthron with cruiser tracking and slightly crappier tank. I trained for CS and got one a while ago, but never really used it. Was thinking of using it in fleets lately, but the max range you'll get is around 110km and thats not good enough for attacking battleships. For anti-support, you don't need the damage.. so Eagle or Vulture is much better. Best role is killing cruisers or hacs that come too close, but that doesn't happen often and its usually the least of your worries.. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.01 00:31:00 - [21] Originally by: TWD Farjung likes to fit 250mm railguns II on his Deimos. shutupshutupshutup --- Wave of Mutilation 2
Deja Thoris Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.01 00:44:00 - [22] Edited by: Deja Thoris on 01/10/2006 00:44:21 Originally by: inSpirAcy One may argue that holding a BP from the market limits its supply to the enemy or increases supply for corp use, which has value in its own right. But if that's the case then the value from that perspective is at least as much as the market would have bought them for, or you would have made a poor decision to withhold the BP. Hence, they cost you at least market price to field. While they were pvping they could have been mining. Maybe they should all post an "opportunity loss" on the killboard at the end of the day. And last I heard Fatjung couldnt fly hac's. Something about opting for the covetor instead Unfortunate typo, I'll leave it in though. Sorry <3 Originally by:** Clementina If you bug report it, you get ignored. If you post about it on the forums, you get banned. If you exploit it, you get rich.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.10.01 01:44:00 - [23] Originally by: inSpirAcy Originally by: Red Six Why? We don't sell them on the market in the first place so why should we calculate the value based on your mythical market value instead the real value to us. Because by choosing not to sell them on the market, you're refusing potential income. One may argue that holding a BP from the market limits its supply to the enemy or increases supply for corp use, which has value in its own right. But if that's the case then the value from that perspective is at least as much as the market would have bought them for, or you would have made a poor decision to withhold the BP. Hence, they cost you at least market price to field. That flew right over his head.
GenYslacker	Posted - 2006.10.01 01:54:00 - [24] This was the killmail that got my eye. http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=102250 It was under quite a few GQ2S-8 pages, but i found it in the end.
TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.01 02:58:00 - [25] Originally by: GenYslacker Edited by: GenYslacker on 01/10/2006 01:56:13 This was the killmail that got my eye. http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=102250 It was under quite a few GQ2S-8 pages, but i found it in the end. So would useing the rails work for solo? or would blasters be better for that? Thanks for all the replys. Fitting railguns means you can do almost instant damage, with blasters you need to get in range first. Ofcourse once in range the blasters do more damage. In situations where you have more numbers, instant damage is better than losing time to get in range for every target. When flying solo, blasters are better since the time it takes to approach is only a small fraction of the time the fight lasts against equal sized ships (ignoring webs).
Amarr knight LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.01 05:27:00 - [26] If you want to use rails on Deimos there are couple of things to consider. Its a bad setup for solo pvping. Its a bad setup for fleet as even with v.good skill u can barely cross 100-105 km. Now for a midsize cruiser/BC gang (5-10) its perfect. In this kind of gang you dont have time to MWD to every target and use your blasters. But rails solve that problem. From personal experience your main setup is 5 rails, 2 sensosr booster and 3 mag stab. With rest of the slot you can play around. You can go slight tank, ECM, RCU+MWD, tracking enhancer etc. If 250s are a tight fit 200s works preety well to. And 5 med ecm drones in drone bay is a must have. Since you dont have to bother with range and stuff your main focus should be survival. You are the damage dealer, if u die early you are useless to gang. Get away from the targets fast, align to something so that u can warp out and then start shooting everything in sight. Things go down so fast its almost like a poetry. :)

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