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The Annihilator20 Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.02.05 03:14:40 - [1] - Quote i know there are ships with players with good skill training that allow them to target near instant an all that stuff.... but im confused is how can someone react physicly so quickly at a gate camp? you can say i had it coming. but hounestly, i figured as long its a small ship, an keep cloaked at all times, move quick surely i'd slip past unnoticed. but no. im actually amazed how people do this. i entered a low sec. there was couple guys there, i wasnt too worried. i have a cloaking device. but damn the second i moved to activate my cloak. pop goes the anti warp bubble. and they used some super fast ship to fly in my general direction to uncloak me. and killed me, all within seconds... how do people do this? why do they do this?? for a score board? not like they get money for it. they would have to have been staring the WHOLE time at there overview like a hawk! to even see a ship appear for just a couple of seconds as i cloak. i mean thats the part that puzzles me. how can anyone just. sit there an stare at it... who knows how long.
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11656	Posted - 2015.02.05 03:17:44 - [2] - Quote Remote sebos. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Harrison Tato Yamato Holdings 286	Posted - 2015.02.05 03:22:36 - [3] - Quote Poop buckets!
The Annihilator20 Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.02.05 03:24:36 - [4] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Remote sebos. i dont even know what that is. what is sebos?
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 7262	Posted - 2015.02.05 03:26:42 - [5] - Quote It is a combination of... - practice makes perfect - living close to the server cluster (London, England) - using hotkeys (holding the "Control" button and clicking an object on the overview targets it... then hit F1-F12 to activate your mods) - "pre-activating" your mods (you activate them with no target selected... then target something... as soon as you achieve target lock those mods will activate) edit: sebo = Sensor Booster Increases a ship's targeting speed and/or range (depending on the charge (if any) loaded in it) remote sebo = Remote Sensor Booster Increases a target ship's targeting speed and/or range (depending on the charge (if any) loaded in it) Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. "How did you veterans start?"
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11656	Posted - 2015.02.05 03:27:02 - [6] - Quote The Annihilator20 wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Remote sebos. i dont even know what that is. what is sebos? Sensor boosters. They allow several other ships to boost one of their friends lock speed. Put a few of them on a ship with a high sensor resolution, and it locks insanely quickly, especially if you're flying a mid-large size ship. They lock you up, scram and web you, then they all shoot you. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Gorn Arming Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 386	Posted - 2015.02.05 03:28:53 - [7] - Quote Watching an overview for 30 seconds isn't hard. They know when you enter the system because you appear in local, and you've got at most 1 minute from that time before your gate cloak expires. Besides, they almost certainly saw you coming a mile away because they've got an alt at least one system upstream.
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 586	Posted - 2015.02.05 03:33:42 - [8] - Quote Use WHs to move around so you don't have to deal with gates and the crap game mechanics surrounding them.
David Mandrake Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 20	Posted - 2015.02.05 03:33:44 - [9] - Quote Gorn Arming wrote: Watching an overview for 30 seconds isn't hard. They know when you enter the system because you appear in local, and you've got at most 1 minute from that time before your gate cloak expires. Besides, they almost certainly saw you coming a mile away because they've got an alt at least one system upstream. The gate also flashes/makes an audible sound when someone jumps in through it, so even if they're not 100% paying attention they'll have a cue that someone's come in.
The Annihilator20 Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.02.05 03:37:51 - [10] - Quote Gorn Arming wrote: Watching an overview for 30 seconds isn't hard. They know when you enter the system because you appear in local, and you've got at most 1 minute from that time before your gate cloak expires. Besides, they almost certainly saw you coming a mile away because they've got an alt at least one system upstream. but why all the effort? its kind of what ruins eve for me, everyone is trigger happy in low sec or 0.0. i've never met anyone who would think twice about shooting me. some guy took a shot of me undocking in a thera system. i got away with it that time but still. and i think the scoreboard has to blame fo that. theres some record people have for there kills right? i think its stupid. if it wernt for that i dont think everyone would be so trigger happy. i wish players on eve would actually have a purpose for gate camping. rather then just killing random players for the sake of it.

Seven Koskanaiken Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 1401	Posted - 2015.02.05 03:49:30 - [11] - Quote They will have eyes the other side and be told on comms something is coming to get ready. What happened was called a delayed bubble, if you enter warp and the bubble goes up, you get stopped still, at which point anything fast can go straight for your position and decloak you. If you see a dictor on gate and see no bubble, act like there is one already there and cloak mwd away from gate in random direction or towards celestial (never straight away from the gate). Actually it's quite easy to get money from it because of the new exploration everyone flies around with hundreds of millions in their cargo and fit the sisters probe launcher which sometimes drops. Even if they don't it's just fun to blow things up, that's eve. I know ccp are trying to market it like some sort of lonely men's support group community with space scenery but it still does involve shooting ships....for now, and gates and stations and so on have lots of ships near them so get camped.
Paranoid Loyd 3755	Posted - 2015.02.05 03:52:32 - [12] - Quote The Annihilator20 wrote: just killing random players for the sake of it. This is a reason, just because you don't agree with it it is still a reason. Gate camping makes the game challenging. There are ways around it, part of the challenge is figuring out how. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 586	Posted - 2015.02.05 04:22:06 - [13] - Quote The Annihilator20 wrote: but why all the effort? its kind of what ruins eve for me, everyone is trigger happy in low sec or 0.0. i've never met anyone who would think twice about shooting me. some guy took a shot of me undocking in a thera system. i got away with it that time but still. and i think the scoreboard has to blame fo that. theres some record people have for there kills right? i think its stupid. if it wernt for that i dont think everyone would be so trigger happy. i wish players on eve would actually have a purpose for gate camping. rather then just killing random players for the sake of it. There is no killboard in DayZ and people devolved into shooting everyone on sight in that game too. If you can kill people in a game, then that will become the sole point of the game. Always.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 929	Posted - 2015.02.05 04:54:33 - [14] - Quote How: 1) they have a scout on the other side of the gate letting them know something is coming 2) they see the gate activate telling them something is coming 3) double click on something on the overview and you fly at it. only need to get within 2km to decloak, small fast ship + some drones and you have a pretty good chance. 4) anti warp bubble = null sec, not low sec. as for why 1) score board like you said 2) they very well might get profit, they don't know that till it is too late. plenty of people move a lot of value in small ships with cloaks because they don't think they will get caught. I think I saw a 20bil stratios kill the other day. Blue prints, implants, deadspace gear all fit into very small cargo holds. I'd link it but not supposed to link killmails, if you want to see it is on the front page of eve-kill.net, also a similar value viator (cloaky hauler) 3) deny intel, having pesky neutrals flying around your space can get annoying. 4) as said above, just because. I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6184	Posted - 2015.02.05 05:31:55 - [15] - Quote Unezka Turigahl wrote: Use WHs to move around so you don't have to deal with gates and the crap game mechanics surrounding them. Someday CCP might see the earnings potential and let every ship be able to dial in a warp from system to system, even across systems, just like every.popular.scifi.genre. I think the number one driving force away from the game is this gate mechanic which is harmful to both sides of the equation. And to anybody who wants to complain about that, I will pre-emptively say: Learn to hunt. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 1032	Posted - 2015.02.05 05:36:35 - [16] - Quote The Annihilator20 wrote: .... i entered a low sec. there was couple guys there, i wasnt too worried. i have a cloaking device. but damn the second i moved to activate my cloak. pop goes the anti warp bubble..... WTB lowsec bubble pls. Eyes on you before you get there, MWD and point pre-heated, Q-click object as it appears briefly before cloak, live closer than Australia to the server, a little luck, BAZINGA. Dial warp from system to system is called a jump drive. It needs a cyno and has it's own mechanics. Plebs face gate mechanics. Edit: fastest possible lock time is one server tick (one second) so scan res at 900,000 is wasted. Where you appear on the tick is affected by business on the node you can't control/modify. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6184	Posted - 2015.02.05 05:40:25 - [17] - Quote Chopper Rollins wrote: The Annihilator20 wrote: .... i entered a low sec. there was couple guys there, i wasnt too worried. i have a cloaking device. but damn the second i moved to activate my cloak. pop goes the anti warp bubble..... WTB lowsec bubble pls. Eyes on you before you get there, MWD and point pre-heated, Q-click object as it appears briefly before cloak, live closer than Australia to the server, a little luck, BAZINGA. Dial warp from system to system is called a jump drive. It needs a cyno and has it's own mechanics. Plebs face gate mechanics. Edit: fastest possible lock time is one server tick (one second) so scan res at 900,000 is wasted. Where you appear on the tick is affected by business on the node you can't control/modify. The day will come. You might even log in to see it. The gate mechanics will be the last of the mechanics that allow certain players to make denying of playing the game the way they play the game. Eventually we will look back on them like we look back on inties that could not escape bubbles and recons that showed up on D-scan. Plebs have money and outnumber the guys with the cynos and more free time on their hands. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory. 1518	Posted - 2015.02.05 05:45:47 - [18] - Quote low sec...anti warp bubble...does not compute TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Alastair Ormand Don't run with a stick in your mouth. 126	Posted - 2015.02.05 05:55:30 - [19] - Quote When the gate flashes that tells you when someone uses that gate whether they're going in or out of the system. Combo that with watching local and you can bottleneck a system. Don't run with a stick in your mouth.
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 1032	Posted - 2015.02.05 05:59:02 - [20] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: ... Eventually we will look back on them like we look back on inties that could not escape bubbles and recons that showed up on D-scan.... Bubble immune inties, non-d-scan recons, the Sisters explo ships, all purely to get more people into null and by golly it's worked. Game denial is a playstyle, none of these changes have affected that. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 2752	Posted - 2015.02.05 06:03:53 - [21] - Quote The Annihilator20 wrote: Crybaby stuff.... how do people do this? why do they do this?? for a score board? not like they get money for it. they would have to have been staring the WHOLE time at there overview like a hawk! to even see a ship appear for just a couple of seconds as i cloak. i mean thats the part that puzzles me. how can anyone just. sit there an stare at it... who knows how long. Before I entertain this response.... bubbles can't work in low sec. So I'm going to assume you jumped into null. How do we do this you ask? Simple. We do this by following these easy steps: 1) We sit on gates with multiple broskies flying ships designed for specific roles (HICs and ints for bubbles, loki's rapiers & ashimus for webs, Legions for neuts, falcons and rooks for jams and anything else people care to risk). Using a combo like that locks you down completely, giving "us" risk free PvP. Then again, a gang vs a single target will always be risk free PvP. But I digress. 2) We have cloaky scouts in the systems preceding the gate camp system, that way we know what your flying, where you are going and if we can catch you when you arrive. 3) You jump into the trap, bubble up, drones out, small interceptors with mwds then speed in your direction (the moment you uncloak to move and recloak) to get within 2000m of you to decloak you again. Since you can only warp out of bubbles with interceptors or interdiction nullified t3s, your forced to "slow boat" out of a bubble, or pulse your mwd to build speed before cloaking in teh vain hope of getting out of the interceptors range. Given the speed of most interceptors, they can run down 14km in 3-4 seconds. That's about 1-2 seconds faster than most ships take to align and warp off a gate. 4) Remote SEBOs and SEBO fits allow us to lock you in 1-2 seconds, or less. 5) If the bubble didn't stop you, a HIC's scripted infinipoint will. Allowing our broskies the needed time to lock you and point you. 6) Then everybody who has been sitting there for hours, while chatting on teamspeak and getting drunk after a long days work murders you for our own amusement. Instead of taking pictures to commemorate the occasion, we get a killboard record. 7) We don't get paid isk to do this, but if you fly expensive ships with kewl loot, we take that, fence it for moniez and split it. So it pays to kill and sit on a gate for hours on end... Why do we do this? Because we're bored, we play eve online where the game "encourages you" to do this and we pay a monthly sub to murder you for lolz. Any questions? Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Yun Kuai Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 242	Posted - 2015.02.05 07:30:15 - [22] - Quote The Annihilator20 wrote: i know there are ships with players with good skill training that allow them to target near instant an all that stuff.... but im confused is how can someone react physicly so quickly at a gate camp? you can say i had it coming. but hounestly, i figured as long its a small ship, an keep cloaked at all times, move quick surely i'd slip past unnoticed. but no. im actually amazed how people do this. i entered a low sec. there was couple guys there, i wasnt too worried. i have a cloaking device. but damn the second i moved to activate my cloak. pop goes the anti warp bubble. and they used some super fast ship to fly in my general direction to uncloak me. and killed me, all within seconds... how do people do this? why do they do this?? for a score board? not like they get money for it. they would have to have been staring the WHOLE time at there overview like a hawk! to even see a ship appear for just a couple of seconds as i cloak. i mean thats the part that puzzles me. how can anyone just. sit there an stare at it... who knows how long. Well it works like this: They have a scout watching the other side of the gate. The scout sees +1 in local (that's you), so now they pay attention to see what is hitting the gate. Nothing comes on D-Scan so they assume you're cloaky. This means they're now mentally ready try and go for the decloak. You land on, decloak, and prepare to jump. The scout calls out what ship you're in. The guys on the other are now actively waiting for you to load into local. They have their mouse over the overview waiting for the second you show up, fingers on their shortcut key for "approach", and prop mod turned on. You decloak and they come at you. You die. End of story --------------------------------------------------------::::::::::::--:::-----:::---::::::::::::--------------:::----------:::----:::---:::----------------------:::::::-------:::---:::----::::::-------------------:::-----------:::--:::----:::---------------------::::::::::::----:::::::----:::::::::::::-------
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 7262	Posted - 2015.02.05 07:35:32 - [23] - Quote The Annihilator20 wrote: Gorn Arming wrote: Watching an overview for 30 seconds isn't hard. They know when you enter the system because you appear in local, and you've got at most 1 minute from that time before your gate cloak expires. Besides, they almost certainly saw you coming a mile away because they've got an alt at least one system upstream. but why all the effort? its kind of what ruins eve for me, everyone is trigger happy in low sec or 0.0. i've never met anyone who would think twice about shooting me. some guy took a shot of me undocking in a thera system. i got away with it that time but still. and i think the scoreboard has to blame fo that. theres some record people have for there kills right? i think its stupid. if it wernt for that i dont think everyone would be so trigger happy. i wish players on eve would actually have a purpose for gate camping. rather then just killing random players for the sake of it. In absence of killboards... I would still shoot anyone that I think I can kill in low-sec. Why? Because... - there might be valuable loot inside (have seen newbies in rookie ships carrying stupidly valuable things from time to time). - no one pays ransoms these days. - I am not in a ship that can tank gate guns long enough to make a ransom demand. - they might be a scout for a larger force. - I'm bored. - it is a good way to meet people (you'd be surprised how many friendships develop from wanton destruction). As for purpose... think of it in terms of mining. People sitting around... shooting things... chatting and having a few drinks. The only difference is that instead of shooting rocks for ore to build stuff, gatecampers shoot players to destroy them and maybe get the chance to obtain PHAT LEWTZ. Now... there are ways to get around it. - Don't take the low-sec gate closest to a trade-hub. Chances are, it is camped. Find the "back road." Example: my alt used to make trade runs between Rens (one of the four major trade hubs) and Sieside. The shortest and most direct route would take me through Amamake (one of the most infamous systems in the game). What I would do instead was take a detour a few systems over to Dammalin. That low-sec system was rarely camped and lead me to the systems I desired. - Use the right equipment. Example: frigates (especially interceptors and Cov-Ops) fitted with nanofibers and shield resistance mods make for great ships to travel through low-sec. For traders and haulers... the Blockade Runner is invaluable due to its cloaking ability. All of the above should have a Microwarpdrive fitted though. I'll explain why in the next point. - Have a backup plan. Example: sometimes your best isn't good enough (be it the ship, fitting, or clicking speed) and you botch your warp out. Or you KNOW that you probably won't be able to escape. It's okay. Calm down. Activate your MWD (overload it possible) and make a mad dash back to the gate you came from. With any luck (and the incompetence of the gatecamping group) you will be able to jump back through to safety. Be sure not to use any drones or offensive mods of your own. Otherwise you'll be REALLY screwed. - Make friends. You would be surprised how friendly gatecampers can be. In fact... you would be surprised by how friendly any PvP is provided you show the right attitude (hint: no tears, whining, or anger). More often than not, they will give you tips on how to "fight/avoid them" next time. - Grab your friends, give them guns, fleet up, and make enemies. Note: ITS FREAKIN PIXELS! YOU DON'T REALLY DIE! SO STRAP YOURSELF INTO A FRIGATE YOU PIECE OF AMPHIBIAN **** AND LET ME SEE YOUR WAR FACE! Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. "How did you veterans start?"
Paranoid Loyd 3757	Posted - 2015.02.05 07:47:04 - [24] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: ITS FREAKIN PIXELS! YOU DON'T REALLY DIE! SO STRAP YOURSELF INTO A FRIGATE YOU PIECE OF AMPHIBIAN ** AND LET ME SEE YOUR WAR FACE! LET'S GO KILLL SOME **!!!! "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
admiral root Red Galaxy 2277	Posted - 2015.02.05 08:10:15 - [25] - Quote The Annihilator20 wrote: i've never met anyone who would think twice about shooting me. Do unto others before they do unto you. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 778	Posted - 2015.02.05 08:25:03 - [26] - Quote The Annihilator20 wrote: and i think the scoreboard has to blame fo that. theres some record people have for there kills right? i think its stupid. if it wernt for that i dont think everyone would be so trigger happy. It is a game, a "scoreboard" is not a unreasonable thing for a game. Except if you only like games where you don't compete with other people, in which case I would say you are completely wrong here. EVE is a competitive multiplayer sandbox about shooting spaceships. If that ruins the game for you, then you should probably go to one of the hundreds of games that hold your hand all the time and where losing is more like "not such a big win as if you where actually winning". the Code ALWAYS wins
Gorongo Frostfyr 105	Posted - 2015.02.05 08:30:54 - [27] - Quote Wonder what would happen if CCP disables all killmails for half a year.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6184	Posted - 2015.02.05 08:37:50 - [28] - Quote Gorongo Frostfyr wrote: Wonder what would happen if CCP disables all killmails for half a year. Interesting idea but a game without a scoreboard does not seem right no matter how hard I try to figure around it. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Ren Oren Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 78	Posted - 2015.02.05 08:50:54 - [29] - Quote The Annihilator20 wrote: Gorn Arming wrote: Watching an overview for 30 seconds isn't hard. They know when you enter the system because you appear in local, and you've got at most 1 minute from that time before your gate cloak expires. Besides, they almost certainly saw you coming a mile away because they've got an alt at least one system upstream. but why all the effort? its kind of what ruins eve for me, everyone is trigger happy in low sec or 0.0. i've never met anyone who would think twice about shooting me. some guy took a shot of me undocking in a thera system. i got away with it that time but still. and i think the scoreboard has to blame fo that. theres some record people have for there kills right? i think its stupid. if it wernt for that i dont think everyone would be so trigger happy. i wish players on eve would actually have a purpose for gate camping. rather then just killing random players for the sake of it. My friend, Providence has a Not Red Don't Shoot, so you may enjoy some time flying over there
Shin Jan Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.02.05 10:12:22 - [30] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: [quote=The Annihilator20] Why do we do this? Because we're bored, It's not logic cause gatecamping IS boring as hell, you only get a good laugh sometimes after sitting for hours doing nothing. And moreover the boredom comes from the fact, that gatecamping is not actually very challenging. Roaming for miners, or anything else is definitely a more "active" gameplay, more challenging when sometimes you come across better ships/gangs than you. Well, you gatecampers are only lazy fat asses who satisfy from little, everyone sees noon at his door.



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