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Aneu Angellus	Posted - 2003.10.25 18:26:00 - [1] Ok, currently there are only 5 class's of ship ingame:- Frigate Cruiser Battleship Titan Shuttle If you could have input on one more ship to be designed and implimented by CCP what would it be? My choice would have to be a ship to cover the gap between Cruiser and Battleship. Id call it Heavy Corvette (i think it sounds cool). Due to the current price range between a BS and Cruiser (atleast 50mil) it would give cruiser pilots somthing to endevour towards untill they get a battleship skill. Regards Aneu ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
Jarjar	Posted - 2003.10.25 18:30:00 - [2] TomB mentioned Destroyers in a recent interview at evegate.net.
XpoHoc	Posted - 2003.10.25 18:31:00 - [3] Or they could add some lvl 4 cruiser (maybe even lvl5). I mean the cruiser skill that is needed for them. They could be worth about 10-30mill.
Priest Del	Posted - 2003.10.25 18:33:00 - [4] I agree, its too much of a jump from cruiser to battleships atm. We need a ship between the 2, maybe a Battlecruiser?
Zezman	Posted - 2003.10.25 18:37:00 - [5] You forgot Industrial Ship And it has been suggested before that we have intermediate ships, by me. Industrial Shuttle - Fighter (sort of manned drone) Frigate - Destroyer Cruiser - Battlecruiser Battleship - Dreadnought Titan I am against the use of "Corvette" as it is a brand name, and not a category of ship. (»)(») À\Oo/ À=\/= This is Rat. It is a vermin. It has eaten all of Bunny's lettuce.
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.10.25 18:39:00 - [6] Edited by: j0sephine on 25/10/2003 18:40:39 "TomB mentioned Destroyers in a recent interview at evegate.net." Those destroyers seem to be specialized anti-frigate ships, to cope with cruisers and battleships no longer being able to effectively track and fight the advanced frigates. The idea of battlecruiser (a vessel with battleship class guns but lighter armor) sounds interesting, though.... That, plus specialized mining ship perhaps, so people finally stop disgracing those battleships :s
Jernau Gurgeh	Posted - 2003.10.25 18:42:00 - [7] Quote: I am against the use of "Corvette" as it is a brand name, and not a category of ship. Actually, a corvette is a category of ship, it's one class below frigate. There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.10.25 18:49:00 - [8] Jernau beat me to it . _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Kunming	Posted - 2003.10.25 18:51:00 - [9] The problem with ship classes are not the classes them selves but their funtions. Most of the ppl possibly remember of space simulation games like, Starlancer and the whole Wing Commander Serie... There were torp bombers which could destroy a huge carrier by deploying their payload, they were not fast and agile though, so they r vaulnerable to small ships like fighters and frigates. Then there were cruisers which could take out frigates easyly but again ships which can take them out easyly... Anyway u know where this is leading. The lacking thing in EVE is that a battleship is not vaulnerable to a smaller one thus making lower class ships useless. If this is fixed then the battles wont be click fests but a more like a game of chess where every stone has its funtion... Intercepting since BETA
Kushy	Posted - 2003.10.25 18:56:00 - [10] Definately a new class of mining ship. Between 6-8 turrets, low powergrid (mining lasers only need 4 MW) and a decent drone bay for harvies. cost ~5-15m
Wild Rho	Posted - 2003.10.25 22:35:00 - [11] Edited by: Wild Rho on 25/10/2003 22:37:17 They need to create some sort of system to phase out using battleships as mining vessels and have them as combat vessels like intended. Adding miner and combat turrets would be a good idea (I heard this mentioned several times). It could also mean the introduction of a whole new range of ship classes like... - mining ships Ships made for just mining etc. - factory ships These are basically mobile factories that can be flown to where they are needed. Not as efficient as station factories and have a limited cargo space to store the products and materials but useful non the less. - mobile labs The same idea as the factory ships but on the research end. These ships ccould also have huge sensor abilites to give them additional roles as survey ships or maybe e-warfare. - mobile repair ships In the heat of battle it may be nice to have somewhere to withdraw to and fix yourself up quickly. Repairs could be balanced by material requirements for repairs rather than an isk cost or somthing. Basically the wider range of classes u make the greater the number of roles there are for ppl and there is a much wider range of options for shipyard corps and ppl to consider. There can be whole ranges within these classes as well from basic level ships to real advanced versions so there is more ship skills needed to work on. Pretty sure somone else can think of othe chip classes that could be useful. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it...
Lartfor	Posted - 2003.10.25 22:43:00 - [12] Oh god me wants a battle cruiser. I can see them being the ultimate tools used by pirates. Hard hitting, fast moving. Perfect hit and run. Also i belive they would allow for more balanced fleets, of course a battle cruiser would not take a battleship 1v1 due to the fact they use the same guns but less armour, but it would be close. For destroyers to be viable, frigates need to be more viable.
Wild Rho	Posted - 2003.10.26 10:15:00 - [13] Frigates are viable at the moment. Where alot of people go wrong is that they think of a frigate going one on one with a battleship with some expectation of winning. This is in no way realistic. Why have such huge prices and stats on battleships if they can be taken out by a single frigate. Now an organised group of frigates can indeed take down a battleship, it just means it requires more numbers and better tactics like in real life. Although the addition of new classes (both combat and "civillian") is needed to diversify eve more. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it...
Tassadar Beta	Posted - 2003.10.26 10:36:00 - [14] Quote: The idea of battlecruiser (a vessel with battleship class guns but lighter armor) sounds interesting, lost track of how long ago I suggested that, didnt have too much of a favourable response though. As the different techs come through there will probaly be less of a gap between ships in lower-higher classes.
Moph	Posted - 2003.10.26 10:59:00 - [15] Edited by: Ia 'Ras on 26/10/2003 11:02:26 What about Frigate Carrier :) ? Don't worry, you won't get new features. Shame is, the ships we already have needs fixing. Like battleships should have restrictions to use minning lasers. And few ships needs a cosmetic fix for their graphics/models. Like Thorax (engines exhaust - aura of light missplaced)...
Lola	Posted - 2003.10.26 11:02:00 - [16] Main Entry: corÀvette Pronunciation: kor-'vet Function: noun Etymology: French, from Middle French, probably from Middle Dutch corf, a kind of ship, literally, basket -- more at CORF Date: 1636 1 : a warship ranking in the old sailing navies next below a frigate 2 : a highly maneuverable armed escort ship that is smaller than a destroyer ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas.
Zezman	Posted - 2003.10.26 11:06:00 - [17] I stand corrected (»)(») À\Oo/ À=\/= This is Rat. It is a vermin. It has eaten all of Bunny's lettuce.
Boneca	Posted - 2003.10.26 11:22:00 - [18] Edited by: Boneca on 26/10/2003 11:27:16 I have heard several mention of "Elite" ships these will fill the voids mentioned here surely. Frigate - Elite Frigate - cruiser -Elite cruiser- Battleship - Elite Battleship with Titans being a unique kinda Indy. I am sure these will be with us "soon". I would also like to see specialized mining ships but a mining ship that can fit 8 or so mining lasers, should in my opinion be the price equivilent of a battleship. It's strengths should just be in other areas. ie less armour but a huge cargo bay bonuses to mining lasers not weapons. People should still have the option to mine in a battleship ,ideal for freelancers, whilst having the option to choose a better suited ship for the purpose, ideal for corp/group mining.
Eddie Gordo	Posted - 2003.10.26 11:28:00 - [19] I agree, we definatly need more ship classes, I was thinking that intermediate ships could have more slots and just enough powergrid and cpu to use them. Ie a high level cruiser could have 6 gun slots & 2 missile bays (but only have enough power to still use medium guns/lasers/hybrids and not large battleship guns) Also, wild rho what you say about an organised bunch of frigates is correct. But the fact is that today people dont travel in loan battleships, they travel in packs of 2 or three. Making it VERY hard for frigates, or even cruisers to make a big impact anymore. Frigs and cruisers can get inside the battleships optimum range, but if battleships are spread out his wingman can easily pick the frigs off one by one. I also think the need for a dedicated mining ship is there too. 5 or 6 mining lasers and a 800 capacity hold would do nicely. Instas??
babyblue	Posted - 2003.10.26 11:30:00 - [20] I think ships (frigates) specifically designed to target/take out certain structures on Battleships or cruisers would be excellent - for example, a fleet of 4 or 5 frigates taking down a BS. At the moment, the structures are too linear.
Zezman	Posted - 2003.10.26 11:31:00 - [21] I do know that there are real life mobile refineries... but they are not that mobile... heh heh. What if - What if there was a special battleship sized Industrial ship that required indy V in each race but it has 8 hi slots, 4 medium slots, and 8 low slots. Low power grid medium cpu... it can mine, very large cargo bay, and drone bay, and has its own internal refinery so it doesn't have to return to base right away. It cannot defend itself So you send it out to the depths of space, with a strong escort, and make bank. (»)(») À\Oo/ À=\/= This is Rat. It is a vermin. It has eaten all of Bunny's lettuce.
babyblue	Posted - 2003.10.26 11:49:00 - [22] Sounds like a play owned station with a giant after-burner to me.
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.10.26 11:54:00 - [23] Quote: I do know that there are real life mobile refineries... but they are not that mobile... heh heh. What if - What if there was a special battleship sized Industrial ship that required indy V in each race but it has 8 hi slots, 4 medium slots, and 8 low slots. Low power grid medium cpu... it can mine, very large cargo bay, and drone bay, and has its own internal refinery so it doesn't have to return to base right away. It cannot defend itself So you send it out to the depths of space, with a strong escort, and make bank. I believe they're called Titans. (minus the no-guns bit) _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Zezman	Posted - 2003.10.26 11:59:00 - [24] I just read that Frigates are actually between Destroyers and Cruisers. Since Destroyers are actually supposed to be small, fast, highly maneuverable gun ships and Frigates are more utilitarian support ships. (»)(») À\Oo/ À=\/= This is Rat. It is a vermin. It has eaten all of Bunny's lettuce.
Viceroy	Posted - 2003.10.26 12:13:00 - [25] what they need to do is make it so you cant warp out while your mining laser is active -
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.10.26 12:16:00 - [26] Mining laser=creates a gravity distortion capable of being locked on to by a warp drive? (Come out 20km away...) _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
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Sarkos	Posted - 2003.10.26 13:52:00 - [28] Well, adding modern wet navy standards to EVE gives the following: Frigate Destroyer <New> Cruiser Battlecruiser <New> Battleship Carrier <New> Titan Eve's Industrial ship is little more than a freighter. As such how about the following: Freighter <Existing> Miner <2, 3 or 4 High slots for mining lasers> Courier <Smaller, maybe 1K cargo space, made for speed and defence with limited offese> Fighter Drones for the Carrier. Light ones have a single MID slot, mostly for repair and EW. Heavy ones containing a High slot that you can mount a small weapon in. A small cargo space can contain ammo if needed. Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.10.26 14:14:00 - [29] No...I don't like the idea of a carrier class, at least not yet. You've got the Thoraxes and the battleships for drones; you don't really need any more. I want to see the ability to produce NPC frigates before you can make carriers. And then carry the frigates around in your carrier . With a couple of homebuilt NPC battleships guarding you...anyway . _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.10.26 14:38:00 - [30] I wouldnt jumpt to any conclusions on CCP using appropriate designations to identyf ship type. Destroyers are (apparently) slated to be more powerful than Battleships.. Go figure.

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