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Louisa Torres
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.03 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: ponieus and tahts what I was under the impression of. But I seen the bright white light and still seen my ship after the light.. so that is just not the case..
Many of our guys were in warp at the time, too, so maybe it doesn't affect those in that state of flight?
Needs more testing that is for sure.
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Coranor
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.03 16:20:00 -
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Yeah but you're gonna wait 6 months and then splurgw with like 5 updates in a day or so like you always do. --------------
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.03 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 03/10/2006 16:24:40 Yeah prolly.
Might need to after all this jiggery pokery ;)
I'm sure the first splurging of a titan will make a post all by itself :D
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.10.03 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
The issue at stake here, is the unbearable arrogance and ridiculous superiority complex you guys have.
No actually the issue at stake is defined by the thread starter, which in this case was the first firing of a doomsday weapon..
Ur opinions on other topics, no matter how well or poorly argued are always going to be irrelevant within this context..
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.03 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: ponieus
Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle
Originally by: Turkantho Edited by: Turkantho on 03/10/2006 15:30:50
Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle I am curious, if BoB warped its fleet to a grid loading point, then why didnt the doomsday weapon reach them? They cant load the grid from another grid, after all!
Am i really the only one who thought about this lapse of logic in some explanations from BoB members?
afaik the "real grid" is smaller than what you see on your screen, I was told that even when your EVE Client says you hit the hostile BS @220k or more in "reallity" you didn't hit it, thats one reason why the devs are thinking about nerfing the weapon ranges imho nerfing the 100% range bonus on t2 long range ammo into a 50% would suffice but thats just my idea
I thought the purpose of the grid was to define what you see, to enable server optimizations and lessen the load. And I am sure CCP said that the titans superweapon would affect the whole grid.
Which means that a grid loading warpin point would be just as unsafe as right clicking the titan and warp to 15km.
and tahts what I was under the impression of. But I seen the bright white light and still seen my ship after the light.. so that is just not the case..
true but then how do you explain some things I've experianced, as example being at 120k to a station, seeing the station and cans popping up but no ships, none at all, moving closer to said station, and suddenly I get massive load lag and ships appear, and some of them between me and the station...makes you wonder doesn't it ? ________
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ElCoCo
Gallente KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.03 16:46:00 -
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The DB hast posteth! Hi m8 
You peeps got a good thread going on here... and now I'm in it! (fanboi extraordinaire)
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CLEISTHENES2
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.03 16:46:00 -
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Turkantho if you watched one of Farjung's movies can't remember which one, but in there, was a scene about a dominix mining just off grid by a few km. And then in that same scene a stiletto kept going out of grid just by a few 100m's? How do you explain this, well i guess we await a GM's explanation.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.03 17:13:00 -
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Turkantho, eing outside the grid does not mean that you can not see a station model in a nearby grid anymore. It used to (station would be reduced to just the icon as soon as you left the grid), but for some reason you can be outside the station grid, as close as 200km to it for example, yet see the station model as clear as if you were only 10km away from it.
Grids aren't always centered right, and ever since you can't simply judge what grid you are in by absence of the station or gate models anymore (at least not consistently), you can't be sure of being in the right grid, unless you see ships that you know are in the right grid.
An example is the third of fourth station in S-U in syndicate. I've got a nice spot for my eagle not 200km from it's exit in a direction where the gridline seems to be at only 100-150km. I can see the station structure, maybe I can even lock it (havent tried actually). I can see some cans around it sometimes, but I will never seen a ship exiting it untill I move to another spot in the right grid.
Pretty damn annoying, and prtty damn funny noticing 10 snipers in such a spot thinking they're camping the station There's many grids like that in Eve.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.03 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/10/2006 17:28:16
Originally by: Butter Dog You can't justify it. You're little more than egomaniacs, and yet you have nothing substantial to back up your claim to be better than everyone else up.
.. sigh... Butter Dog about 10 posts back I suggested something that BoB had achieved that no other had.... you ofc ignored my post because it robs your argument of its main point, i.e the lack of evidence.
Nobody can yet remember destroying/capturing a single BoB POS/Conquerable station/Outpost since the fall of FA. There seems to be one report of a POS going into reinforced, but never destroyed.
That is a substantial achievement.
No other alliance can say this..... LV have had trouble with RA, D2 with Goons/TCF and ASCN had trouble with Iron/G a while back.
So where is your argument now?.. thats right, you don't have one.
You don't have a point anymore as I have presented a reason for BoB to feel superior and you don't even dislike BoB as you keep telling us.
Why oh why do you keep posting then?.. if you wanna keep posting at least do us the common curtesy of having a relevant point.
Cause, right now all you are doing is spamming.....
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.03 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 03/10/2006 17:31:40
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Butter Dog You can't justify it. You're little more than egomaniacs, and yet you have nothing substantial to back up your claim to be better than everyone else up.
.. sigh... Butter Dog about 10 posts back I suggested something that BoB had achieved that no other had.... you ofc ignored my post because it robs your argument of its main point, i.e the lack of evidence.
Nobody can yet remember destroying/capturing a single BoB POS/Conquerable station/Outpost. There seems to be one report of a POS going into reinforced, but never destroyed.
That is a substantial achievement.
No other alliance can say this..... LV have had trouble with RA, D2 with Goons/TCF and ASCN had trouble with Iron/G a while back.
So where is your argument now?.. thats right, you don't have one.
You don't have a point anymore as I have presented a reason for BoB to feel superior and you don't even dislike BoB as you keep telling us.
Why oh why do you keep posting then?.. if you wanna keep posting at least do us the common curtesy of having a relevant point.
Cause, right now all you are doing is spamming.....
I'm sorry, but you're grasping at straws here. I do not consider that a major achievement which proves they are the best PVPers in the game. Its a ridiculous claim to make. I didn't respond simply because it didnt, in all honesty, merit a response.
In fact, all it provides evidence for is that a capable PvP entity has yet to lay seige to one of their systems. This is true, but means nothing in itself. Yes, other alliances have lost POS etc. That happens when you pick on good PvP targets and not Industrial Alliances or 'Aridia Locals'.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.03 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/10/2006 17:34:28
Originally by: Butter Dog
In fact, all it provides evidence for is that a capable PvP entity has yet to lay seige to one of their systems. This is true, but means nothing in itself.
How you can say that with a straight face is beyond me...
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.03 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 03/10/2006 17:37:43
Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/10/2006 17:34:28
Originally by: Butter Dog
In fact, all it provides evidence for is that a capable PvP entity has yet to lay seige to one of their systems. This is true, but means nothing in itself.
How you can say that with a straight face is beyond me...
Well you really should have quoted the rest of my paragraph for why I think that.
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Val Oman
Delta Desperados
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Posted - 2006.10.03 17:37:00 -
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You guys should really take this to Eve-mail or something. This thread is about the first firing of a doomsday device is it not?
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.03 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Coranor Edited by: Coranor on 03/10/2006 16:18:33
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Rebellion
To put things simply, Butter_Dog, you don't see any reason for BoB's arrogance because of a combination of factors: 1. you don't know what we've done from the beginning; 2. the people you talk to don't know either; 3. a lot of the people that know what happened are either (a) already in BoB (b) no longer around (c) are still around but hate us too much to give us kudos; 3. we don't really care what you think.
Have a nice day.
Fine. Lets have it then.
Educate me. Clearly I am missing something very important, as is the rest of the EVE community.
Tell me why your alliance is superior to D2. Tell me what makes you better PvPers than CELES. Give examples, go into detail. Please, go right ahead and justify your arrogance while comparing yourself to an (in my opinion) superior Alliance like D2.
Go on... we're all waiting for your intelligent and reasoned response.
Or, as I suspsect, are you going to come back with some more 'omg stfu fanboi' smack and go quiet on the issue? Yes, thought so.
Reikoku Histories Start with part 13 to get into the lead up to the GNW and the BoB sections.
C'mon man you're wasting your time. We don't much care if you love us hate us or want us wiped from the face of EVE forever. So you can keep going on and on and on and on about how arogant we are and whatever else. I'm sure some of the lads find you annoying and whatnot but personally i just think you're funny. Bit obsessive maybe but funny nonetheless. I always did have a softspot for loudmouth forum nobodies though.
Yes, a lovely ego-massaging read that must be for you too.
Unfortunately, once again, you have failed to provide any evidence of being 'better' than any other top-tier PvP alliances.
Honestly, I'm not saying you guys arent good at what you do. What I am saying is that your attitude sucks, and that there are alliances which have stronger industry, better kill/loss stats, and more ambitious goals.
Its not hard to understand, but you are clearly having issues adjusting to that reality.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.03 17:41:00 -
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Personally Butter Dog, I think we do have a right to be arrogant. You see, noone is capable of proving us wrong in taking that attitude. Hell, most groups that might are too afraid to even try.
We're not saying we're the best pvp'ers out there, nor the best industrialist, not even the best forum *****s. We're the best overall alliance however, that I am unafraid to state.
The main difference may be very simple. In contrast to every single other alliance out there that can possibly say to have achieved as much as we have, we are not above all else afraid of losing all we have built. Our actions aren't dictated by fear but by the ambition to be the most powerfull group in this galaxy. If that means taking risks then we will, but it definately sets us apart from the rest.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.03 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/10/2006 17:43:44
Originally by: Butter Dog
Unfortunately, once again, you have failed to provide any evidence of being 'better' than any other top-tier PvP alliances.
being 'better' than other people is subjective butter dog..
I have been in leadership positions in two alliances and I can categorically tell you that BoB are an important factor in any military considerations...
When looking to identify a target for your alliance, there is always somebody who provides an easier target than BoB.
Wether you like it or not BoB are a formidable force and have long memories..... thats why alliances think twice before taking BoB on, thats why there has yet to be a concerted offence on their holdings.
If you don't understand that, then you are simply here to troll... which is fine, but don't expect any credibility.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.03 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Personally Butter Dog, I think we do have a right to be arrogant. You see, noone is capable of proving us wrong in taking that attitude. Hell, most groups that might are too afraid to even try.
We're not saying we're the best pvp'ers out there, nor the best industrialist, not even the best forum *****s. We're the best overall alliance however, that I am unafraid to state.
The main difference may be very simple. In contrast to every single other alliance out there that can possibly say to have achieved as much as we have, we are not above all else afraid of losing all we have built. Our actions aren't dictated by fear but by the ambition to be the most powerfull group in this galaxy. If that means taking risks then we will, but it definately sets us apart from the rest.
Rod, I agree with much of what you had posted there, and I respect your opinion. If the rest of your alliance had your approach and attitide (which is considered and respectful), you would be doing yourselves a big favour.
You need to reign in your forum smacktards who shout off the 'omg fanboi nub' response whenever someone dares offer an objective bit of critisicm. And let us not forget that overconfidence is a huge weakness.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.03 17:51:00 -
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Overconfidence or understimation is determined after the fact, I'd consider us optimistic rather then overconfident really 
As for our attitude, I don't really agree. Most of us just take another approach to making their point, but in the end our opinions do not differ much. It's just that I enjoy stuff like this more then most others and thus am more inclined to moderate my tone when I can afford to, whereas the message is in essence the same.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.03 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
being 'better' than other people is subjective butter dog..
This is exactly the point I have been trying to make. Kind of difficult to claim to be the best, then, isnt it?
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.03 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
This is exactly the point I have been trying to make. Kind of difficult to claim to be the best, then, isnt it?
..equally difficult is to claim that somebody isnt the best .. wouldn't you say.. therefore you are wasting your time.
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Serathu
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department

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Posted - 2006.10.03 17:59:00 -
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This has gone hopelessly off-topic and has become a place of trolls and personal attacks.
*click*
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ProphetGuru
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.03 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog You need to reign in your forum smacktards who shout off the 'omg fanboi nub' response whenever
In the words of someone whose mold you seem to fit...
yap yap
ps man I gotta get DW in here.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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