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Andrew Jester Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 939	Posted - 2015.02.10 01:02:45 - [31] - Quote Ayeson wrote: I have not and never will be an emperor or krabs. you can be the emperor of my alt vouch :3 If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Ion Udan Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 94	Posted - 2015.02.10 01:47:16 - [32] - Quote Morally Gray wrote: Ion Udan wrote: All jokes aside, The only time it would become a problem is if HK Citizens, and by extension HK, were evicting corps to have this massive Krab I guess all those c5/c6 mags were empty then? So evicting 4 mags in less than 10 days was not real? 2 of them done by QEX, that now have hk citizen poses in? Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. If you want your home again, then take it back! I'm well aware of QEX + W Space Citizens. The difference as I see it, and I could be completely wrong, is that HK Citizens is there for HK members to make ISK. HK then blow that **** up. HK's activity in creating content surely justifies this? Yes? No? Or am i drinking too much of Noobman's Koolaid? W Space Citizens is a renter alliance, ISK goes to who knows where, and I don't see them enriching Wormholes unless you catch them farming. Hence my problem (I'm not speaking for SSC remember) Yes HK have worked with QEX, so has LZHX. SSC has worked with HK and LZHX as well. There's been a short term goal that's wanted to be achieved and friendships are temporarily made. Please post on mains :)
Ayeson Hard Knocks Inc. 523	Posted - 2015.02.10 03:46:09 - [33] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: Ayeson wrote: I have not and never will be an emperor or krabs. you can be the emperor of my alt vouch :3 make application posts on our sexy forums m8 Ion Udan wrote: HK then blow that **** up. HK's activity in creating content surely justifies this? Yes? No? Or am i drinking too much of Noobman's Koolaid? Noobman's Koolaid is delicious, he puts extra flavor packets in there and I get the CRAZIEST sugar high. Also, #content. I GÖÑ the orthrus
Jack Miton Isogen 5 4134	Posted - 2015.02.10 05:24:09 - [34] - Quote Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. yeah, but doing so to plant a 100% farming alt op is HIGHLY frowned upon. and when it's done by a 'PVP' group like HK who have previously evicted and generally sh*t talked many groups who PVE, it's beyond ironic. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
Iyokus Patrouette Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 293	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:00:42 - [35] - Quote Omg when did i become a Rainbow Knight!?! can i be Purple? ---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----
Ion Udan Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 94	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:06:29 - [36] - Quote Perhaps we're getting a little off track from Noobman's initial post about what HK Citizens is. I agree most PvP groups do not like the idea of pure bear holes, but we all need to make ISK somehow and typically a home system cant feed a large groups wallets well enough. But if that bear hole allows said PvP group to buy more **** and use for overall content then I personally don't have an issue with it. I do have an issue with bear holes of renters who just bear and do nothing to enrich W Space, apart from them making juicy targets. Irony aside, if anyone doesn't like this they're more than welcome to seed/siege out the bear holes. It wouldn't take much to seed a gank fleet permanently in their holes, know their farming times, and gank them a few times. There are many personalities in EvE and what some do, others do not like. So stront up your Capitals, set long skill queues and get that out of corp scanner in the hole.
Iyokus Patrouette Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 293	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:31:55 - [37] - Quote Ion Udan wrote: Perhaps we're getting a little off track from Noobman's initial post about what HK Citizens is. I agree most PvP groups do not like the idea of pure bear holes, but we all need to make ISK somehow and typically a home system cant feed a large groups wallets well enough. But if that bear hole allows said PvP group to buy more **** and use for overall content then I personally don't have an issue with it. I do have an issue with bear holes of renters who just bear and do nothing to enrich W Space, apart from them making juicy targets. Irony aside, if anyone doesn't like this they're more than welcome to seed/siege out the bear holes. It wouldn't take much to seed a gank fleet permanently in their holes, know their farming times, and gank them a few times. There are many personalities in EvE and what some do, others do not like. So stront up your Capitals, set long skill queues and get that out of corp scanner in the hole. It kind of comes back to corporations out growing wormholes. At a certain number of members sustainability becomes an issue. making a bunch of Alt corps and moving into other wormholes is a valid option. . Kind of greedy but valid. Really when you reach that point don't you have to be considering that maybe the corp is to large for wormholes? ---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----
The Krab Whisperer Eternal Order of the Krab 0	Posted - 2015.02.10 07:30:51 - [38] - Quote Iyokus Patrouette wrote: [quote=Ion Udan] Really when you reach that point don't you have to be considering that maybe the corp is to large for wormholes? So what is your proposed 'size' limit for corps in wormholes? I actually think that HK have a halfway decent way of thinking about this. Personally I do as little PvE as possible and don't use caps because, well, they are a big investment and very risky. (FTR, I solo run C4s in dirt cheap BS) I've been in a few wormhole corps/alliances, they all have suffered from the issue of locking out content (PVP) to make isk. Having a farming hole seems to keep the content stream active no-matter if people need to make isk or not. I don't see this as any different than a group of people renting our a null sec system, or a player having an alt or two running incursions on the side. Well, yeah, one big difference-- (practically) solo capital escalations are about the riskiest dang thing I can think of doing in eve. No local. D-Scan immune ships. Random chance of entrance into your system. Locked in place for minutes at a time in siege. I think pretty much every relevant wormhole group out there has at one time shown how vulnerable this activity is to getting absolutely dumpster'ed by (rage or not) rolling into a site running fleet. At least in wspace you can just go in, get the kills and leave and not have to worry about silly protection from sov structures, or thousands of blues showing up. This has all been great popcorn fodder, thanks.
Miyamoto Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.02.10 07:52:22 - [39] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. yeah, but doing so to plant a 100% farming alt op is HIGHLY frowned upon. and when it's done by a 'PVP' group like HK who have previously evicted and generally sh*t talked many groups who PVE, it's beyond ironic. Highly? what the hell do the rest of you do all day that's sooooo impressive? Because it sure isn't 'PVP'... so what if they have a few bear holes, get over it or go evict them.
Morally Gray Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2015.02.10 09:28:08 - [40] - Quote Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. If you want your home again, then take it back! Sorry, not everyone in wh space is blue to 3 separate entities with who they can get xxx amount of people. Nor does a small 10 man corp who got evicted have any chance to take a wh back from someone like that. So you trade 10 actual people who used to live there and do stuff (probably mostly carebearing), with an alt farm corp that is run by 1-2 guys (more than that, you are probably a bit special). Not to mention hard knocks+QEX evicted band of magnus for killing hk gank set. I wonder what would happen if a small corp was to take one of their farm wh's then. You defending them like a good boy, just proves more how ssc is part of the cfc.
Ion Udan Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 94	Posted - 2015.02.10 10:17:04 - [41] - Quote Morally Gray wrote: Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. If you want your home again, then take it back! Sorry, not everyone in wh space is blue to 3 separate entities with who they can get xxx amount of people. Nor does a small 10 man corp who got evicted have any chance to take a wh back from someone like that. So you trade 10 actual people who used to live there and do stuff (probably mostly carebearing), with an alt farm corp that is run by 1-2 guys (more than that, you are probably a bit special). Not to mention hard knocks+QEX evicted band of magnus for killing hk gank set. I wonder what would happen if a small corp was to take one of their farm wh's then. You defending them like a good boy, just proves more how ssc is part of the cfc. If you're going to question my loyalty, please post on your main. You suggesting blue standings shows you have no clue. And you're completely missing my point. I'm not here defending their actions, if they want to setup bear holes for ISK then they can go ahead. I've already stated Im against renter holes. And sure, a smaller group is going to struggle to take down a larger entity. But thats also part of EvE. Why should a smaller group of people have an advantage over a larger group? If i was BoM i'd seed a fleet in to my recently lost hole and gank their site running fleet repeatedly. So please, insult me more on a random alt that means nothing. I'm sitting here posting on my main, grow some balls.
Thea Yulivee Space Pioneers Odin's Call 4	Posted - 2015.02.10 12:00:32 - [42] - Quote Standing issues aside i agree with some of the points Morally Gray made Not everyone in WH space is able to take good high-class WHs (and neither should everyone be), however by populating a significant ammount of high-class WHs with alt-corps that do not contribute anything to the space itself, projects like this one will just trade Wormholes with some people in there, that try to make a living there for wormholes filled with online towers and no ships (as if there wouldn't already be enough of those out there) I'd prefer smaller, pve-focused corps over alt-ratting alliances any day of the week - i'm not saying that i don't understand why, i just feel that stuff like this will hurt w-space in the long run thinking about it, i'd even prefer renters over this inactive alt-alliance concept
Jack Miton Isogen 5 4138	Posted - 2015.02.10 12:23:01 - [43] - Quote Miyamoto wrote: Jack Miton wrote: Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. yeah, but doing so to plant a 100% farming alt op is HIGHLY frowned upon. and when it's done by a 'PVP' group like HK who have previously evicted and generally sh*t talked many groups who PVE, it's beyond ironic. Highly? what the hell do the rest of you do all day that's sooooo impressive? Because it sure isn't 'PVP'... so what if they have a few bear holes, get over it or go evict them. OH SNAP!!! I GOT KB DUNKED BY AN NPC ALT!!! I don't see Republic University ANYWHERE on that list son, get good! Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
Axloth Okiah Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 540	Posted - 2015.02.10 12:50:05 - [44] - Quote Morally Gray wrote: Sorry, not everyone in wh space is blue to 3 separate entities with who they can get xxx amount of people. Nor does a small 10 man corp who got evicted have any chance to take a wh back from someone like that. Sorry, but your corporation has 438859 members and here you are whining about some couple hundred players flying together. Surely you see the irony in that... W-Space Realtor
TurboX3 Hax. Northern Coalition. 68	Posted - 2015.02.10 13:53:15 - [45] - Quote Having a alt corp to run PVE is old news... for some (like me) but I like the fact you have micro-managed the politics internally.. Running home-sites does lock down the home-system & cause dramas.. +1. No Trolling Please
Foedus Latro Isogen 5 50	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:00:16 - [46] - Quote Miyamoto wrote: Jack Miton wrote: Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. yeah, but doing so to plant a 100% farming alt op is HIGHLY frowned upon. and when it's done by a 'PVP' group like HK who have previously evicted and generally sh*t talked many groups who PVE, it's beyond ironic. Highly? what the hell do the rest of you do all day that's sooooo impressive? Because it sure isn't 'PVP'... so what if they have a few bear holes, get over it or go evict them. Are you calling out Isogen 5 for farming? I don't understand Isogen 5 \| Wormhole PvP Corporation Director and Diplomat
Miyamoto Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:02:17 - [47] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Miyamoto wrote: Jack Miton wrote: Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. yeah, but doing so to plant a 100% farming alt op is HIGHLY frowned upon. and when it's done by a 'PVP' group like HK who have previously evicted and generally sh*t talked many groups who PVE, it's beyond ironic. Highly? what the hell do the rest of you do all day that's sooooo impressive? Because it sure isn't 'PVP'... so what if they have a few bear holes, get over it or go evict them. OH SNAP!!! I GOT KB DUNKED BY AN NPC ALT!!! I don't see Republic University ANYWHERE on that list son, get good! oh I just thought everyone else was posting on alts because that was the cool thing to do. I did not realize that privilege was reserved only for people who agree with your point of view. please accept my most humblest of apologies Great Leader of Bob.
Miyamoto Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:09:26 - [48] - Quote Foedus Latro wrote: Miyamoto wrote: Jack Miton wrote: Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. yeah, but doing so to plant a 100% farming alt op is HIGHLY frowned upon. and when it's done by a 'PVP' group like HK who have previously evicted and generally sh*t talked many groups who PVE, it's beyond ironic. Highly? what the hell do the rest of you do all day that's sooooo impressive? Because it sure isn't 'PVP'... so what if they have a few bear holes, get over it or go evict them. Are you calling out Isogen 5 for farming? I don't understand absolutely not officer. I would never speak in offense to the wormhole space police. I even made a donation to the Wormhole Space Police Department last year that was so large, they invited me to the Annual Wormhole Space Policeman's Ball; 'twas a grand time!
Foedus Latro Isogen 5 50	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:13:59 - [49] - Quote I sense you are mad about something Mr. Miyamoto. Did someone gank your site fleet or something? Isogen 5 \| Wormhole PvP Corporation Director and Diplomat
Miyamoto Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:17:41 - [50] - Quote Foedus Latro wrote: I sense you are mad about something Mr. Miyamoto. Did someone gank your site fleet or something? that would require the rest of you being competent at this game instead of the supreme whiny bitches of the forums.
CivilWars Rolled Out 239	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:48:33 - [51] - Quote SMH @ just invade them. I recall a time when LZHX and friends made a list, and as a result RLLO 1.0 and friends made their own list, but before the first POS could even be RFed some third party internet lawyers that weren't on either list or involved on either side came in to broker a peace treaty nobody wanted. Keep telling yourself that w-space is somehow different than the blue donut of 00. If you repeat it long enough maybe it will come true. Hidden Fremen liked your forum post: Jack Miton liked your forum post:
Foedus Latro Isogen 5 50	Posted - 2015.02.10 15:14:52 - [52] - Quote Miyamoto wrote: Foedus Latro wrote: I sense you are mad about something Mr. Miyamoto. Did someone gank your site fleet or something? that would require the rest of you being competent at this game instead of the supreme whiny bitches of the forums. Ok, man. Isogen 5 \| Wormhole PvP Corporation Director and Diplomat
Ghenghis Kralj 1st MC Wormhole Clown Car 54	Posted - 2015.02.10 15:41:24 - [53] - Quote something something really big veiny throbbing e-*****
Hidden Fremen Lazerhawks 541	Posted - 2015.02.10 15:56:24 - [54] - Quote -5 - HK and Co -5 - SSC Orange Donut I'd love to not have to run home sites, but we don't have the infrastructure yet to earn money like other well-established corps/alliances. C6 space is saturated with anomalies, so it's only natural us ISK-poor C5 and below folk try to milk them. C6 isn't having it, though, because they need all that ISK to themselves. But, you know, they've been there for a long time, so I understand. It wouldn't be so alarming if some of those guys didn't have such anemic PvP worth.
CivilWars Rolled Out 240	Posted - 2015.02.10 16:28:29 - [55] - Quote Hidden Fremen wrote: -5 - HK and Co -5 - SSC Orange Donut I'd love to not have to run home sites, but we don't have the infrastructure yet to earn money like other well-established corps/alliances. C6 space is saturated with anomalies, so it's only natural us ISK-poor C5 and below folk try to milk them. C6 isn't having it, though, because they need all that ISK to themselves. But, you know, they've been there for a long time, so I understand. It wouldn't be so alarming if some of those guys didn't have such anemic PvP worth. Can I join? I will help you make a new list. It starts off with anyone with a POS in w-space. We can figure out the rest later. Hidden Fremen liked your forum post: Jack Miton liked your forum post:
Hidden Fremen Lazerhawks 541	Posted - 2015.02.10 16:36:04 - [56] - Quote I'm pretty sure you all are -10, lol.
Morally Gray Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2015.02.10 18:07:12 - [57] - Quote Hidden Fremen wrote: But, you know, they've been there for a long time, so I understand. It wouldn't be so alarming if some of those guys didn't have such anemic PvP worth. Perhaps make a spreadsheet with number of kills/isk killed per player/toon. I'am sure a lot of those top corps would be in the in the bottom.
Hidden Fremen Lazerhawks 541	Posted - 2015.02.10 18:11:14 - [58] - Quote Here's another perspective(closest I could find). Some of them would be at the absolute bottom.
Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.02.11 00:55:38 - [59] - Quote The thing is, qex and hk dont want fights. they just want killmails, if anybody tries to fight back in any way, they just team up and evict them.
Chitsa Jason Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 1310	Posted - 2015.02.11 01:26:41 - [60] - Quote So what is the point in the end to keep alt alliance for bearing? Why dont you put everyone in single alliance? Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me

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