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NoobMan Hard Knocks Inc. 45	Posted - 2015.02.09 05:41:16 - [1] - Quote This mail was sent to all members of Rainbow Knights. Hello Diplos and Leaders of Rainbow Knights! It is that time of the year where Hard Knocks has pulled another public stunt. Once again the story has gone too far and people have taken things too seriously. I want to address what people are getting so bitter about: Hard Knocks' Renter Alliance. Hard Knocks does not have renters. The Alliance was originally formed to group all of our alt corps so when we rolled into one of our own corps we didn't accidentally seed them. You might think "why wouldn't we just put a note on Siggy?" Well, with the rapid increase of HK dread and carrier alts the Alt Corps were emerging faster than we could keep track of them. So what did Muhadin and I think of one night... We thought it would be hilarious to set up an Alliance called "Hard Knocks Citizens". Our plan was to keep quiet and let people stumble upon our Alliance by themselves. We wanted to see what fiction people would create in their minds. Eventually we would publicly confirm everything. We would boast about pulling in tens of billions of ISK in rental income per month, and exacerbate the myths and lies people would spread. In its infancy our original Alt Alliance was named Filth. [WHLEL]. The ticker was terrible. It only had 3-4 corps. A thread was made to make a new Alliance. http://puu.sh/fvpCt/5bc900954a.jpg Plenty of suggestions were given xXTheBearBoizXx -Brax Gold Diggers. -Shanq Scared Wormhole People - Muha The Bearing Sea [Bear] -343guilty1 ticker has to be Pinch / IPinch / Pnch or similar.. - Matt0649 A lot of krab names ensue. 5 pages into it I post http://puu.sh/fvprp/40de2dec71.jpg http://puu.sh/fvpwf/bbbd34ce66.jpg Everyone has a good laugh and agrees. Suddenly the new hip thing in HK is to set up a bear hole. People start buying up tons of dread and carrier pilots and grabbing up holes. As you can see today HKRAB is at around 150 people, with a dozen or so corps. There are still 3-4 alt corps that people didn't want to join with. So you might be asking why do we do this? This is the reason I'm writing this letter. I'm hoping others will understand and maybe try the experiment we've found successful. Hard Knocks as a corp does not facilitate any PVE. None. We have not run homesites in our home since July 2014. Homesites are currently banned in HK. http://puu.sh/fvr0p/31662afbe3.png We have agreed as leadership that homesites create drama, and lock our home hole down for hours per day which is prime time activity timezones. When homesites were complete in the past, the active members would drop out of fleets and off comms and nothing would happen (red: No tackled carriers 23/7). Our SRP and entire corp budget is funded by PVP loot. We do not need to run sites and tax people. This is only able to work for us because we have more time to PVP. I just wanted to clarify things, and explain the model our corp runs by. If you have any questions about the specifics, I am an open book when it come to most things in Eve and would be happy to chat. TL;DR HK renter alliance is a big joke. We just PVE in alt corps and do not run homesites in Rage. Sorry if you got upset. Love you guys, Noobman Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
NoobMan Hard Knocks Inc. 45	Posted - 2015.02.09 05:45:03 - [2] - Quote I figure I would let everyone know what's going on, if you have any questions feel free to ask or mail me, I'm a pretty Open Book. Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
Braxus Deninard Hard Knocks Inc. 491	Posted - 2015.02.09 05:55:38 - [3] - Quote NoobMan wrote: xXTheBearBoizXx -Brax p upset we didn't go with this
Wexa Tion Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1	Posted - 2015.02.09 05:57:39 - [4] - Quote like the trollzy aspect scared wormhole people still would have been hilarious
Jack Miton Isogen 5 4118	Posted - 2015.02.09 06:31:56 - [5] - Quote So what you're saying is that you're not a giant rental group but that you are in fact a giant PVE farming group. Sure, that's a much better image to have. Makes sense. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
NoobMan Hard Knocks Inc. 46	Posted - 2015.02.09 07:02:03 - [6] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: So what you're saying is that you're not a giant rental group but that you are in fact a giant PVE farming group. Sure, that's a much better image to have. Makes sense. Yes we have 150 PVE alts in a separate alliance, everyone is responsible for making their income elsewhere. HK does not facilitate any PVE for our members. Everyone has to have an income to pay for plex and shiny ships to blow up. Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
Wexa Tion Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1	Posted - 2015.02.09 07:17:41 - [7] - Quote NoobMan wrote: Jack Miton wrote: So what you're saying is that you're not a giant rental group but that you are in fact a giant PVE farming group. Sure, that's a much better image to have. Makes sense. Yes we have 150 PVE alts in a separate alliance, everyone is responsible for making their income elsewhere. HK does not facilitate any PVE for our members. Everyone has to have an income to pay for plex and shiny ships to blow up. quit making all this SENSE
Billy Hardcore Jaded. The Natural Order 416	Posted - 2015.02.09 08:18:18 - [8] - Quote i feel so conflicted right now #BillyFleet
Cimsoc the Great Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.02.09 12:17:32 - [9] - Quote I guess sometimes making a fake rental empire backfires... https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=27370228 Posting on a noob alt on the other hand...
Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.02.09 13:21:48 - [10] - Quote sure, hk citizens might be a joke, but w-space citizen isnt, which is where the actual renters are.
Andrew Jester Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 936	Posted - 2015.02.09 14:35:13 - [11] - Quote baited If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
calaretu Honestly We didnt know Unsettled. 246	Posted - 2015.02.09 14:55:52 - [12] - Quote I wanted to bite the bait but it was already bitten so I just come to hail the new king of wormholespace :D ~Bringer of happiness http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
Ayeson Hard Knocks Inc. 521	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:41:55 - [13] - Quote Eventually you all would've found you about this when my memoirs hit the top of the best seller list. I GÖÑ the orthrus
A lalala long Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:42:01 - [14] - Quote This post will not save your c6's.
Ayeson Hard Knocks Inc. 522	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:13:47 - [15] - Quote A lalala long wrote: This post will not save your c6's. Post with your main I GÖÑ the orthrus
NoobMan Hard Knocks Inc. 49	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:18:05 - [16] - Quote A lalala long wrote: This post will not save your c6's. That is great news! We are a C5 corp. That is not the reason I wrote this. I wrote it to explain how we developed a new system to run our corp by. Something that if other Corps would try out themselves, I think there would be higher chances for PvP. The negatives to running consistent homesites: Your home is locked down for hours. This means your not our hunting for other groups and other groups can not find your chain/home to try and provoke a fight. If by some chance your entire Bear Fleet gets killed by a Seed fleet then your "Home Protection Dread Deterrent" is become weaker. Lastly, and maybe this only applied to HK, but homesites caused activity to plummet . Everyone would log in to PVE and log off after the hour or two it took to run sites. And by the end of the sites we hated each other. It's a different system, but we like it. Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
Tiger Tesla Periphery Bound 58	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:25:41 - [17] - Quote NoobMan wrote: A lalala long wrote: This post will not save your c6's. That is great news! We are a C5 corp. That is not the reason I wrote this. I wrote it to explain how we developed a new system to run our corp by. Something that if other Corps would try out themselves, I think there would be higher chances for PvP. The negatives to running consistent homesites: Your home is locked down for hours. This means your not our hunting for other groups and other groups can not find your chain/home to try and provoke a fight. If by some chance your entire Bear Fleet gets killed by a Seed fleet then your "Home Protection Dread Deterrent" is become weaker. Lastly, and maybe this only applied to HK, but homesites caused activity to plummet . Everyone would log in to PVE and log off after the hour or two it took to run sites. And by the end of the sites we hated each other. It's a different system, but we like it. I can definately see the train of thought that led you here. As the CEO of a relatively new kid on the C6 block I hate it when we run sites. Sure. It's great to put isk in the members pockets, but when people log on and off based around when/if sites are happening then no one is happy. Both activities can't happen at the same time. But it does make your site running/farming holes much more vulnerable to eviction, as it is basically stated their only purpose is farming without a defense other than the threat of a big stick.
A lalala long Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:11:03 - [18] - Quote Band of Magnus didnt seem to have any problems bearing in their home wh.
calaretu Honestly We didnt know Unsettled. 246	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:15:35 - [19] - Quote This thread highlights the need for Corbexx's suggestion to alter cap escalation in c5/6 ~Bringer of happiness http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
Jack Miton Isogen 5 4133	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:20:24 - [20] - Quote calaretu wrote: This thread highlights the need for Corbexx's suggestion to alter cap escalation in c5/6 ^basically this. have PVE expo holes has been common practice for years now, it's just that generally people sent alts out for a week or so to make a couple dozen bil and then bring them back home rather than setting up a vast PVE empire... but carebear's are gonna carebear i guess shrug Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
Bhane Celesto Hard Knocks Inc. 15	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:30:50 - [21] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: calaretu wrote: This thread highlights the need for Corbexx's suggestion to alter cap escalation in c5/6 ^basically this. have PVE expo holes has been common practice for years now, it's just that generally people sent alts out for a week or so to make a couple dozen bil and then bring them back home rather than setting up a vast PVE empire... but carebear's are gonna carebear i guess shrug Thanks to the wonder that is the character bazaar all that moving effort just isn't necessary. Buy focused dread alt, stick in bearhole, leave in bearhole. You can earn a plex in 2 hours of sites, so even if you can't be arsed running sites or don't need the isk, you can just forget about the dude for a week.
Andrew Jester Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 938	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:44:39 - [22] - Quote NoobMan wrote: That is not the reason I wrote this. you wrote this because you're artistic af If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Morally Gray Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:58:14 - [23] - Quote NoobMan wrote: So what did Muhadin and I think of one night... We thought it would be hilarious to set up an Alliance called "Hard Knocks Citizens". Our plan was to keep quiet and let people stumble upon our Alliance by themselves. Good one.
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 2047	Posted - 2015.02.09 23:37:00 - [24] - Quote NoobMan wrote: Lastly, and maybe this only applied to HK, but homesites caused activity to plummet . Everyone would log in to PVE and log off after the hour or two it took to run sites. And by the end of the sites we hated each other. The ENTIRE reason Prolapse. is not in C5 space. It attracts bears like a paint brush full of honey to the nuts. hashtagTF4CSMX http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
Ion Udan Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 94	Posted - 2015.02.09 23:53:40 - [25] - Quote All jokes aside, and I don't speak for SSC here. But I haven't, and couldn't give a ****, about HK Citizens and what they were used for. They didn't come across very "renter" like and my assumption of its use was pretty close to the mark. I don't who in Rainbow had sand in their knickers over them, we all need to make ISK somehow. If it means there are more WH's with "active" people in them, whether they're krabing or not, then this is a good thing. The only time it would become a problem is if HK Citizens, and by extension HK, were evicting corps to have this massive Krab Empire. See where I'm going with this?
Ayeson Hard Knocks Inc. 523	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:00:30 - [26] - Quote Ion Udan wrote: evicting corps to have this massive Krab Empire. I have not and never will be an emperor or krabs. I GÖÑ the orthrus
Ion Udan Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 94	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:04:47 - [27] - Quote Ayeson wrote: Ion Udan wrote: evicting corps to have this massive Krab Empire. I have not and never will be an emperor or krabs. Hence why I don't see an issue with HK Citizens
Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:10:43 - [28] - Quote Ion Udan wrote: Ayeson wrote: Ion Udan wrote: evicting corps to have this massive Krab Empire. I have not and never will be an emperor or krabs. Hence why I don't see an issue with HK Citizens so does this mean you do have an issue with QEX and HK using w-space citizen as a renter alliance and actively evicting people to get more renters?
Miyamoto Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:47:57 - [29] - Quote Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad wrote: Ion Udan wrote: Ayeson wrote: Ion Udan wrote: evicting corps to have this massive Krab Empire. I have not and never will be an emperor or krabs. Hence why I don't see an issue with HK Citizens so does this mean you do have an issue with QEX and HK using w-space citizen as a renter alliance and actively evicting people to get more renters? I can also post on an alt because I am too spineless to post on my main.
Morally Gray Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:51:43 - [30] - Quote Ion Udan wrote: All jokes aside, The only time it would become a problem is if HK Citizens, and by extension HK, were evicting corps to have this massive Krab I guess all those c5/c6 mags were empty then? So evicting 4 mags in less than 10 days was not real? 2 of them done by QEX, that now have hk citizen poses in?
Andrew Jester Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 939	Posted - 2015.02.10 01:02:45 - [31] - Quote Ayeson wrote: I have not and never will be an emperor or krabs. you can be the emperor of my alt vouch :3 If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Ion Udan Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 94	Posted - 2015.02.10 01:47:16 - [32] - Quote Morally Gray wrote: Ion Udan wrote: All jokes aside, The only time it would become a problem is if HK Citizens, and by extension HK, were evicting corps to have this massive Krab I guess all those c5/c6 mags were empty then? So evicting 4 mags in less than 10 days was not real? 2 of them done by QEX, that now have hk citizen poses in? Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. If you want your home again, then take it back! I'm well aware of QEX + W Space Citizens. The difference as I see it, and I could be completely wrong, is that HK Citizens is there for HK members to make ISK. HK then blow that **** up. HK's activity in creating content surely justifies this? Yes? No? Or am i drinking too much of Noobman's Koolaid? W Space Citizens is a renter alliance, ISK goes to who knows where, and I don't see them enriching Wormholes unless you catch them farming. Hence my problem (I'm not speaking for SSC remember) Yes HK have worked with QEX, so has LZHX. SSC has worked with HK and LZHX as well. There's been a short term goal that's wanted to be achieved and friendships are temporarily made. Please post on mains :)
Ayeson Hard Knocks Inc. 523	Posted - 2015.02.10 03:46:09 - [33] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: Ayeson wrote: I have not and never will be an emperor or krabs. you can be the emperor of my alt vouch :3 make application posts on our sexy forums m8 Ion Udan wrote: HK then blow that **** up. HK's activity in creating content surely justifies this? Yes? No? Or am i drinking too much of Noobman's Koolaid? Noobman's Koolaid is delicious, he puts extra flavor packets in there and I get the CRAZIEST sugar high. Also, #content. I GÖÑ the orthrus
Jack Miton Isogen 5 4134	Posted - 2015.02.10 05:24:09 - [34] - Quote Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. yeah, but doing so to plant a 100% farming alt op is HIGHLY frowned upon. and when it's done by a 'PVP' group like HK who have previously evicted and generally sh*t talked many groups who PVE, it's beyond ironic. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
Iyokus Patrouette Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 293	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:00:42 - [35] - Quote Omg when did i become a Rainbow Knight!?! can i be Purple? ---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----
Ion Udan Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 94	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:06:29 - [36] - Quote Perhaps we're getting a little off track from Noobman's initial post about what HK Citizens is. I agree most PvP groups do not like the idea of pure bear holes, but we all need to make ISK somehow and typically a home system cant feed a large groups wallets well enough. But if that bear hole allows said PvP group to buy more **** and use for overall content then I personally don't have an issue with it. I do have an issue with bear holes of renters who just bear and do nothing to enrich W Space, apart from them making juicy targets. Irony aside, if anyone doesn't like this they're more than welcome to seed/siege out the bear holes. It wouldn't take much to seed a gank fleet permanently in their holes, know their farming times, and gank them a few times. There are many personalities in EvE and what some do, others do not like. So stront up your Capitals, set long skill queues and get that out of corp scanner in the hole.
Iyokus Patrouette Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 293	Posted - 2015.02.10 06:31:55 - [37] - Quote Ion Udan wrote: Perhaps we're getting a little off track from Noobman's initial post about what HK Citizens is. I agree most PvP groups do not like the idea of pure bear holes, but we all need to make ISK somehow and typically a home system cant feed a large groups wallets well enough. But if that bear hole allows said PvP group to buy more **** and use for overall content then I personally don't have an issue with it. I do have an issue with bear holes of renters who just bear and do nothing to enrich W Space, apart from them making juicy targets. Irony aside, if anyone doesn't like this they're more than welcome to seed/siege out the bear holes. It wouldn't take much to seed a gank fleet permanently in their holes, know their farming times, and gank them a few times. There are many personalities in EvE and what some do, others do not like. So stront up your Capitals, set long skill queues and get that out of corp scanner in the hole. It kind of comes back to corporations out growing wormholes. At a certain number of members sustainability becomes an issue. making a bunch of Alt corps and moving into other wormholes is a valid option. . Kind of greedy but valid. Really when you reach that point don't you have to be considering that maybe the corp is to large for wormholes? ---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----
The Krab Whisperer Eternal Order of the Krab 0	Posted - 2015.02.10 07:30:51 - [38] - Quote Iyokus Patrouette wrote: [quote=Ion Udan] Really when you reach that point don't you have to be considering that maybe the corp is to large for wormholes? So what is your proposed 'size' limit for corps in wormholes? I actually think that HK have a halfway decent way of thinking about this. Personally I do as little PvE as possible and don't use caps because, well, they are a big investment and very risky. (FTR, I solo run C4s in dirt cheap BS) I've been in a few wormhole corps/alliances, they all have suffered from the issue of locking out content (PVP) to make isk. Having a farming hole seems to keep the content stream active no-matter if people need to make isk or not. I don't see this as any different than a group of people renting our a null sec system, or a player having an alt or two running incursions on the side. Well, yeah, one big difference-- (practically) solo capital escalations are about the riskiest dang thing I can think of doing in eve. No local. D-Scan immune ships. Random chance of entrance into your system. Locked in place for minutes at a time in siege. I think pretty much every relevant wormhole group out there has at one time shown how vulnerable this activity is to getting absolutely dumpster'ed by (rage or not) rolling into a site running fleet. At least in wspace you can just go in, get the kills and leave and not have to worry about silly protection from sov structures, or thousands of blues showing up. This has all been great popcorn fodder, thanks.
Miyamoto Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.02.10 07:52:22 - [39] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. yeah, but doing so to plant a 100% farming alt op is HIGHLY frowned upon. and when it's done by a 'PVP' group like HK who have previously evicted and generally sh*t talked many groups who PVE, it's beyond ironic. Highly? what the hell do the rest of you do all day that's sooooo impressive? Because it sure isn't 'PVP'... so what if they have a few bear holes, get over it or go evict them.
Morally Gray Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2015.02.10 09:28:08 - [40] - Quote Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. If you want your home again, then take it back! Sorry, not everyone in wh space is blue to 3 separate entities with who they can get xxx amount of people. Nor does a small 10 man corp who got evicted have any chance to take a wh back from someone like that. So you trade 10 actual people who used to live there and do stuff (probably mostly carebearing), with an alt farm corp that is run by 1-2 guys (more than that, you are probably a bit special). Not to mention hard knocks+QEX evicted band of magnus for killing hk gank set. I wonder what would happen if a small corp was to take one of their farm wh's then. You defending them like a good boy, just proves more how ssc is part of the cfc.
Ion Udan Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 94	Posted - 2015.02.10 10:17:04 - [41] - Quote Morally Gray wrote: Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. If you want your home again, then take it back! Sorry, not everyone in wh space is blue to 3 separate entities with who they can get xxx amount of people. Nor does a small 10 man corp who got evicted have any chance to take a wh back from someone like that. So you trade 10 actual people who used to live there and do stuff (probably mostly carebearing), with an alt farm corp that is run by 1-2 guys (more than that, you are probably a bit special). Not to mention hard knocks+QEX evicted band of magnus for killing hk gank set. I wonder what would happen if a small corp was to take one of their farm wh's then. You defending them like a good boy, just proves more how ssc is part of the cfc. If you're going to question my loyalty, please post on your main. You suggesting blue standings shows you have no clue. And you're completely missing my point. I'm not here defending their actions, if they want to setup bear holes for ISK then they can go ahead. I've already stated Im against renter holes. And sure, a smaller group is going to struggle to take down a larger entity. But thats also part of EvE. Why should a smaller group of people have an advantage over a larger group? If i was BoM i'd seed a fleet in to my recently lost hole and gank their site running fleet repeatedly. So please, insult me more on a random alt that means nothing. I'm sitting here posting on my main, grow some balls.
Thea Yulivee Space Pioneers Odin's Call 4	Posted - 2015.02.10 12:00:32 - [42] - Quote Standing issues aside i agree with some of the points Morally Gray made Not everyone in WH space is able to take good high-class WHs (and neither should everyone be), however by populating a significant ammount of high-class WHs with alt-corps that do not contribute anything to the space itself, projects like this one will just trade Wormholes with some people in there, that try to make a living there for wormholes filled with online towers and no ships (as if there wouldn't already be enough of those out there) I'd prefer smaller, pve-focused corps over alt-ratting alliances any day of the week - i'm not saying that i don't understand why, i just feel that stuff like this will hurt w-space in the long run thinking about it, i'd even prefer renters over this inactive alt-alliance concept
Jack Miton Isogen 5 4138	Posted - 2015.02.10 12:23:01 - [43] - Quote Miyamoto wrote: Jack Miton wrote: Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. yeah, but doing so to plant a 100% farming alt op is HIGHLY frowned upon. and when it's done by a 'PVP' group like HK who have previously evicted and generally sh*t talked many groups who PVE, it's beyond ironic. Highly? what the hell do the rest of you do all day that's sooooo impressive? Because it sure isn't 'PVP'... so what if they have a few bear holes, get over it or go evict them. OH SNAP!!! I GOT KB DUNKED BY AN NPC ALT!!! I don't see Republic University ANYWHERE on that list son, get good! Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
Axloth Okiah Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 540	Posted - 2015.02.10 12:50:05 - [44] - Quote Morally Gray wrote: Sorry, not everyone in wh space is blue to 3 separate entities with who they can get xxx amount of people. Nor does a small 10 man corp who got evicted have any chance to take a wh back from someone like that. Sorry, but your corporation has 438859 members and here you are whining about some couple hundred players flying together. Surely you see the irony in that... W-Space Realtor
TurboX3 Hax. Northern Coalition. 68	Posted - 2015.02.10 13:53:15 - [45] - Quote Having a alt corp to run PVE is old news... for some (like me) but I like the fact you have micro-managed the politics internally.. Running home-sites does lock down the home-system & cause dramas.. +1. No Trolling Please
Foedus Latro Isogen 5 50	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:00:16 - [46] - Quote Miyamoto wrote: Jack Miton wrote: Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. yeah, but doing so to plant a 100% farming alt op is HIGHLY frowned upon. and when it's done by a 'PVP' group like HK who have previously evicted and generally sh*t talked many groups who PVE, it's beyond ironic. Highly? what the hell do the rest of you do all day that's sooooo impressive? Because it sure isn't 'PVP'... so what if they have a few bear holes, get over it or go evict them. Are you calling out Isogen 5 for farming? I don't understand Isogen 5 \| Wormhole PvP Corporation Director and Diplomat
Miyamoto Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:02:17 - [47] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Miyamoto wrote: Jack Miton wrote: Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. yeah, but doing so to plant a 100% farming alt op is HIGHLY frowned upon. and when it's done by a 'PVP' group like HK who have previously evicted and generally sh*t talked many groups who PVE, it's beyond ironic. Highly? what the hell do the rest of you do all day that's sooooo impressive? Because it sure isn't 'PVP'... so what if they have a few bear holes, get over it or go evict them. OH SNAP!!! I GOT KB DUNKED BY AN NPC ALT!!! I don't see Republic University ANYWHERE on that list son, get good! oh I just thought everyone else was posting on alts because that was the cool thing to do. I did not realize that privilege was reserved only for people who agree with your point of view. please accept my most humblest of apologies Great Leader of Bob.
Miyamoto Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:09:26 - [48] - Quote Foedus Latro wrote: Miyamoto wrote: Jack Miton wrote: Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. yeah, but doing so to plant a 100% farming alt op is HIGHLY frowned upon. and when it's done by a 'PVP' group like HK who have previously evicted and generally sh*t talked many groups who PVE, it's beyond ironic. Highly? what the hell do the rest of you do all day that's sooooo impressive? Because it sure isn't 'PVP'... so what if they have a few bear holes, get over it or go evict them. Are you calling out Isogen 5 for farming? I don't understand absolutely not officer. I would never speak in offense to the wormhole space police. I even made a donation to the Wormhole Space Police Department last year that was so large, they invited me to the Annual Wormhole Space Policeman's Ball; 'twas a grand time!
Foedus Latro Isogen 5 50	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:13:59 - [49] - Quote I sense you are mad about something Mr. Miyamoto. Did someone gank your site fleet or something? Isogen 5 \| Wormhole PvP Corporation Director and Diplomat
Miyamoto Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:17:41 - [50] - Quote Foedus Latro wrote: I sense you are mad about something Mr. Miyamoto. Did someone gank your site fleet or something? that would require the rest of you being competent at this game instead of the supreme whiny bitches of the forums.
CivilWars Rolled Out 239	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:48:33 - [51] - Quote SMH @ just invade them. I recall a time when LZHX and friends made a list, and as a result RLLO 1.0 and friends made their own list, but before the first POS could even be RFed some third party internet lawyers that weren't on either list or involved on either side came in to broker a peace treaty nobody wanted. Keep telling yourself that w-space is somehow different than the blue donut of 00. If you repeat it long enough maybe it will come true. Hidden Fremen liked your forum post: Jack Miton liked your forum post:
Foedus Latro Isogen 5 50	Posted - 2015.02.10 15:14:52 - [52] - Quote Miyamoto wrote: Foedus Latro wrote: I sense you are mad about something Mr. Miyamoto. Did someone gank your site fleet or something? that would require the rest of you being competent at this game instead of the supreme whiny bitches of the forums. Ok, man. Isogen 5 \| Wormhole PvP Corporation Director and Diplomat
Ghenghis Kralj 1st MC Wormhole Clown Car 54	Posted - 2015.02.10 15:41:24 - [53] - Quote something something really big veiny throbbing e-*****
Hidden Fremen Lazerhawks 541	Posted - 2015.02.10 15:56:24 - [54] - Quote -5 - HK and Co -5 - SSC Orange Donut I'd love to not have to run home sites, but we don't have the infrastructure yet to earn money like other well-established corps/alliances. C6 space is saturated with anomalies, so it's only natural us ISK-poor C5 and below folk try to milk them. C6 isn't having it, though, because they need all that ISK to themselves. But, you know, they've been there for a long time, so I understand. It wouldn't be so alarming if some of those guys didn't have such anemic PvP worth.
CivilWars Rolled Out 240	Posted - 2015.02.10 16:28:29 - [55] - Quote Hidden Fremen wrote: -5 - HK and Co -5 - SSC Orange Donut I'd love to not have to run home sites, but we don't have the infrastructure yet to earn money like other well-established corps/alliances. C6 space is saturated with anomalies, so it's only natural us ISK-poor C5 and below folk try to milk them. C6 isn't having it, though, because they need all that ISK to themselves. But, you know, they've been there for a long time, so I understand. It wouldn't be so alarming if some of those guys didn't have such anemic PvP worth. Can I join? I will help you make a new list. It starts off with anyone with a POS in w-space. We can figure out the rest later. Hidden Fremen liked your forum post: Jack Miton liked your forum post:
Hidden Fremen Lazerhawks 541	Posted - 2015.02.10 16:36:04 - [56] - Quote I'm pretty sure you all are -10, lol.
Morally Gray Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2015.02.10 18:07:12 - [57] - Quote Hidden Fremen wrote: But, you know, they've been there for a long time, so I understand. It wouldn't be so alarming if some of those guys didn't have such anemic PvP worth. Perhaps make a spreadsheet with number of kills/isk killed per player/toon. I'am sure a lot of those top corps would be in the in the bottom.
Hidden Fremen Lazerhawks 541	Posted - 2015.02.10 18:11:14 - [58] - Quote Here's another perspective(closest I could find). Some of them would be at the absolute bottom.
Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.02.11 00:55:38 - [59] - Quote The thing is, qex and hk dont want fights. they just want killmails, if anybody tries to fight back in any way, they just team up and evict them.
Chitsa Jason Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 1310	Posted - 2015.02.11 01:26:41 - [60] - Quote So what is the point in the end to keep alt alliance for bearing? Why dont you put everyone in single alliance? Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Jack Miton Isogen 5 4150	Posted - 2015.02.11 02:20:42 - [61] - Quote Foedus Latro wrote: Miyamoto wrote: Jack Miton wrote: Ion Udan wrote: Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. yeah, but doing so to plant a 100% farming alt op is HIGHLY frowned upon. and when it's done by a 'PVP' group like HK who have previously evicted and generally sh*t talked many groups who PVE, it's beyond ironic. Highly? what the hell do the rest of you do all day that's sooooo impressive? Because it sure isn't 'PVP'... so what if they have a few bear holes, get over it or go evict them. Are you calling out Isogen 5 for farming? I don't understand your secret is out foedus! Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
Incindir Mauser Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 500	Posted - 2015.02.11 02:34:13 - [62] - Quote Chitsa Jason wrote: So what is the point in the end to keep alt alliance for bearing? Why dont you put everyone in single alliance? One must keep up appearances. The true PvP Elite never stoop to making ISK on their MAINS... Such a thing is an unthinkable abomination. To shoot red crosses with a main is tantamount to slumming with the churls of K-space. Mortal sins, brother. Mortal. Sins.
Jack Miton Isogen 5 4150	Posted - 2015.02.11 03:20:14 - [63] - Quote Incindir Mauser wrote: Chitsa Jason wrote: So what is the point in the end to keep alt alliance for bearing? Why dont you put everyone in single alliance? One must keep up appearances. The true PvP Elite never stoop to making ISK on their MAINS... Such a thing is an unthinkable abomination. To shoot red crosses with a main is tantamount to slumming with the churls of K-space. Mortal sins, brother. Mortal. Sins. the loss mails look bad on the old KB too. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
Credacom Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred 20	Posted - 2015.02.11 04:32:42 - [64] - Quote meh
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 2062	Posted - 2015.02.11 05:14:03 - [65] - Quote The only mitigating factor is that one set of bears are being replaced with another set, but the new set are part of a giant multi-tentacled beast. I doubt that this will create more content - RudinV and Blood union aren't around to exploit a giant network of licensed bears. This is what happens when the environment is disturbed by catastrophic changes - the ecology adapts to the loss of a top predator. Sure, the alt corps might be thrown on the fire of being seeded by gank squads of capitals, but no one has the tenacity, communal lack of a real life or sheer chutzpah to recreate BU's terror campaign. So the kine and ovine beasts crop their pastures unfettered, fertilising the place with nothing in particular, knowing they willjust ring the bell and be bailed out by a blob of dozens of T3's the instant someone tries evicting them. TL;DR can someone tell RudinV he's got a lot of work to come back to. hashtagTF4CSMX http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
Andrew Jester Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 940	Posted - 2015.02.11 05:34:44 - [66] - Quote RudinV-senpai is in HK If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Axloth Okiah Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 541	Posted - 2015.02.11 06:36:21 - [67] - Quote Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad wrote: The thing is, qex and hk dont want fights. they just want killmails, if anybody tries to fight back in any way, they just team up and evict them. That might be true of QEX, but definitely not of HK. And I dont ever recall The Scope brawling with us... W-Space Realtor
Bronya Boga Isogen 5 558	Posted - 2015.02.11 06:59:25 - [68] - Quote Billy Hardcore wrote: i feel so conflicted right now Hey Billy you owe me 5 bil baby 2014.10.12 Quote: [20:08:51] Billy Hardcore > 5 bil says iso is in some alliance in 2-3 months [20:08:59] Bronya Boga > HAHAHAHAHAHA [20:09:03] Bronya Boga > ill take that bet Host of Down The Pipe Ingame Channel DTP Podcast www.downthepipe-wh.com GÇïIsogen 5 is recruiting. Check us out
Ariete Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 16	Posted - 2015.02.11 09:29:50 - [69] - Quote Incindir Mauser wrote: Chitsa Jason wrote: So what is the point in the end to keep alt alliance for bearing? Why dont you put everyone in single alliance? One must keep up appearances. The true PvP Elite never stoop to making ISK on their MAINS... Such a thing is an unthinkable abomination. To shoot red crosses with a main is tantamount to slumming with the churls of K-space. Mortal sins, brother. Mortal. Sins. Apart when we see their mains and alts in the same POS. It's not hard to find alt farming corps. Anyway all it means with more people in wormhole space, there's more targets. Vote Ariete for CSM X
Necharo Rackham The Red Circle Inc. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 48	Posted - 2015.02.11 10:30:05 - [70] - Quote I think what some people are envisaging is possible logical endpoint of this kind of thing; namely 2/3 500-1000 toon corporations, each owning 100 or so bearing systems and playing proxy wars.
Samantha Elroy Atztech Inc. Ixtab. 14	Posted - 2015.02.11 11:02:57 - [71] - Quote Ariete wrote: Anyway all it means with more people in wormhole space, there's more targets. That's the point, Sir. Right now C5/C6 (113systems for C6) Space is way too empty, especially C5 (512systems, afaik only half is inhabited). So it's hard these days to roll as an C5/C5 Corp/Alliance into one of these Systems (plus, we only cover only 1TZ). We daily spent over 4hrs+ to find someone who luckily have like even numbers, is willed to fight, or bearing. I totally agree in more peoples who decide for Jspace. Doesn't matter if PvE or PvP. I'm just here for the good fights and sometimes ganks or creating drama. Also bears 'can' give fights if they see their assets are in trouble.
Jack Miton Isogen 5 4154	Posted - 2015.02.11 11:04:08 - [72] - Quote NoobMan wrote: Jack Miton wrote: So what you're saying is that you're not a giant rental group but that you are in fact a giant PVE farming group. Sure, that's a much better image to have. Makes sense. Yes we have 150 PVE alts in a separate alliance, everyone is responsible for making their income elsewhere. HK does not facilitate any PVE for our members. oh sure, apart from providing an alliance for everyone to PVE in, and protecting them when they do so, and eptying prime systems for them to PVE in, you dont facilitate PVE at all. i get that. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
Zmikund Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2015.02.11 12:40:56 - [73] - Quote Axloth Okiah wrote: Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad wrote: The thing is, qex and hk dont want fights. they just want killmails, if anybody tries to fight back in any way, they just team up and evict them. That might be true of QEX, but definitely not of HK. And I dont ever recall The Scope brawling with us... Last eviction proves otherwise ... HK organized it because their pride got hurt when their gang fleet got destroyed while ganging pve farm fleet ... That doest fit into description of corp seeking good pvp, it's more like kids who want to bully everyone and when someone stands up to him they just beat him with all friends helping ... Classical 5v1 "fair" fight
Axloth Okiah Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 541	Posted - 2015.02.11 12:51:48 - [74] - Quote Zmikund wrote: Axloth Okiah wrote: Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad wrote: The thing is, qex and hk dont want fights. they just want killmails, if anybody tries to fight back in any way, they just team up and evict them. That might be true of QEX, but definitely not of HK. And I dont ever recall The Scope brawling with us... Last eviction proves otherwise ... HK organized it because their pride got hurt when their gang fleet got destroyed while ganging pve farm fleet ... That doest fit into description of corp seeking good pvp, it's more like kids who want to bully everyone and when someone stands up to him they just beat him with all friends helping ... Classical 5v1 "fair" fight Even if that was the case, why do you ignore all the other instances when someone fights (and often wins) against these bullies and GFs are exchanged and noone gets evicted? I sense some confirmation bias... btw it wasnt 5v1, nowhere near. If HK (helped by QEX) evicting you (helped by Atztech and others) is 5v1, then what was eviction of SYJ - 584 v 0.3 ? W-Space Realtor
CivilWars Rolled Out 240	Posted - 2015.02.11 14:05:20 - [75] - Quote As if any of this even matters. There are maybe 10 or so PVP-focused entities in all of w-space right now. If HK gave walked away from every system that is held by an alt corp there would still only be 10 or so PVP-focused entities in all of w-space. The old girl ain't what she used to be, so why not milk it for every penny you can? Hidden Fremen liked your forum post: Jack Miton liked your forum post:
NoobMan Hard Knocks Inc. 53	Posted - 2015.02.11 14:40:29 - [76] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: NoobMan wrote: Jack Miton wrote: So what you're saying is that you're not a giant rental group but that you are in fact a giant PVE farming group. Sure, that's a much better image to have. Makes sense. Yes we have 150 PVE alts in a separate alliance, everyone is responsible for making their income elsewhere. HK does not facilitate any PVE for our members. oh sure, apart from providing an alliance for everyone to PVE in, and protecting them when they do so, and eptying prime systems for them to PVE in, you dont facilitate PVE at all. i get that. Jack it is obvious that you are very bitter about all this, but I'll still try to reason with you. You are making it sound like we are coddling our members and handing them this free wormhole fully set up and all they have to do is be bears. But you say you've done a bear hole before and its nothing new, so you must know all the work it really entails. All of the setting up towers, moving caps and daily maintenance is a lot of work. Most people do not have the time to take on such a project, and run their own hole. Speaking of running their own hole, the reason why all of these alts are in separate corps besides killboards lol is they need to be able to have Director level roles to manage their own towers, bookmarks and corp wallets. Out of the 18 c5 systems HK farms in, none were taken by force using the entirety of HK to evict them. Every hole was either empty or already someone elses bear hole. So the 2-3 HK members moved in and set up their own POS, and maybe shot and killed another tower. Not once have the previous owners of all of our holes put up a fight. (to my knowledge) Now HK is providing 18 c5s 4 c6s and Rage (our home) as active targets for other wh corps. And everyone does not like it because it is greedy, and I can understand yes it is, and looks very greedy. We as HK leadership have encouraged it not only to stop PVE in rage like we've already talked about, but the real underlying reason we want our members to do it is so they buy up Dread and Tirage pilots. They are increasing their pilots and accounts and abilities. They are pumping massive amounts of isk into their own personal wallets so they can buy more pilots and pvp ships. This allows HK to have more sedding alts and seeding dreads. And if Rage were ever invaded we would call our Jew hole banners and have an extra 60 or so Dread and triage pilots. So this greed is a very strong defensive and offensive strategy. Now some one else was complaining about how it is unfair that these systems are "protected" by HK. It sounds like you are complaining about PvP... This is Eve, if someone else has something you want you can take it. Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
NoobMan Hard Knocks Inc. 53	Posted - 2015.02.11 15:00:51 - [77] - Quote Zmikund wrote: Axloth Okiah wrote: Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad wrote: The thing is, qex and hk dont want fights. they just want killmails, if anybody tries to fight back in any way, they just team up and evict them. That might be true of QEX, but definitely not of HK. And I dont ever recall The Scope brawling with us... Last eviction proves otherwise ... HK organized it because their pride got hurt when their gang fleet got destroyed while ganging pve farm fleet ... That doest fit into description of corp seeking good pvp, it's more like kids who want to bully everyone and when someone stands up to him they just beat him with all friends helping ... Classical 5v1 "fair" fight The reason we evicted Band of Magnus is: every 6 months or so Hard Knocks likes to do an invasion whether it is a full eviction or an occupation to get a massive T3 fight. As Operations director I feel I owe this experience to our members. People join HK because they want to be in these Massive 200-300Bil blingy T3 and Dread fights. Our history of targets for these invasions have been groups that do not provide much to the WH community, or we've had bad blood with in the past. Band of Magnus fulfilled both categories and made for a good target, and we got our huge fight thanks to Ixtab. All this diplomatic, "this is fair and this is unfair" BS that people are whining about; I leave you with this quote Quote: EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world; it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world -CCP Wrangler Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
Witchway Hard Knocks Inc. 139	Posted - 2015.02.11 18:14:53 - [78] - Quote /thread Official Shit Talking Captain, Bastard of Hard Knocks Inc.
Andrew Jester Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 943	Posted - 2015.02.11 18:17:16 - [79] - Quote itt try-hard posting of the same quality as in the sith callout thread If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 981	Posted - 2015.02.11 18:48:42 - [80] - Quote One thing that stands out to me in particular and I'm sure I'm missing something but: Quote: We have agreed as leadership that homesites create drama, and lock our home hole down for hours per day which is prime time activity timezones Surely if you PvE in alts, this will happen at the same time where you would be rolling/roaming. How do you run sites in alts and pvp at the same time? Why is there a need for alts PvEing when your corp budget is funded by PvP?
The Krab Whisperer Eternal Order of the Krab 0	Posted - 2015.02.11 21:16:57 - [81] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Why is there a need for alts PvEing when your corp budget is funded by PvP? WTB, corp that pays for my PLEX, buying characters, and fitting my bait hauler with purple.
Samantha Elroy Atztech Inc. Ixtab. 14	Posted - 2015.02.11 22:07:58 - [82] - Quote The Krab Whisperer wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: Why is there a need for alts PvEing when your corp budget is funded by PvP? WTB, corp that pays for my PLEX, buying characters, and fitting my bait hauler with purple. I would recruit you, but as you can see in that screen we are german clients only
Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad The Scope Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2015.02.11 22:50:07 - [83] - Quote NoobMan wrote: Out of the 18 c5 systems HK farms in, none were taken by force using the entirety of HK to evict them. Every hole was either empty or already someone elses bear hole. So the 2-3 HK members moved in and set up their own POS, and maybe shot and killed another tower. Not once have the previous owners of all of our holes put up a fight. (to my knowledge) because there is no reason to put up a fight, sure you might fight off the initial group but after that they are just going to bring more and evict you anyway.
Jack Hayson Atztech Inc. Ixtab. 90	Posted - 2015.02.11 23:34:52 - [84] - Quote Samantha Elroy wrote: The Krab Whisperer wrote: WTB, corp that pays for my PLEX, buying characters, and fitting my bait hauler with purple. I would recruit you, but as you can see in that screen we are german clients only ... and our bait haulers never work anyway. :-/ "Oh sht, an Impel from Atztech! Let's run away from this hole we've been camping for the last hour!"*
Andrew Jester Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 944	Posted - 2015.02.12 01:40:07 - [85] - Quote Samantha Elroy wrote: The Krab Whisperer wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: Why is there a need for alts PvEing when your corp budget is funded by PvP? WTB, corp that pays for my PLEX, buying characters, and fitting my bait hauler with purple. I would recruit you, but as you can see in that screen we are german clients only ich spreche ein bisschen deutsch :3 If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Foedus Latro Isogen 5 57	Posted - 2015.02.12 02:31:37 - [86] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: Samantha Elroy wrote: The Krab Whisperer wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: Why is there a need for alts PvEing when your corp budget is funded by PvP? WTB, corp that pays for my PLEX, buying characters, and fitting my bait hauler with purple. I would recruit you, but as you can see in that screen we are german clients only ich spreche ein bisschen deutsch :3 Ich auch )) Isogen 5 \| Wormhole PvP Corporation Director and Diplomat
Paul Vashar Periphery Bound 30	Posted - 2015.02.12 03:18:11 - [87] - Quote Foedus Latro wrote: Andrew Jester wrote: Samantha Elroy wrote: The Krab Whisperer wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: Why is there a need for alts PvEing when your corp budget is funded by PvP? WTB, corp that pays for my PLEX, buying characters, and fitting my bait hauler with purple. I would recruit you, but as you can see in that screen we are german clients only ich spreche ein bisschen deutsch :3 Ich auch )) das madchen? That's all I got
Zekora Rally Negative Density Disavowed. 6	Posted - 2015.02.12 04:16:09 - [88] - Quote The sense of entitlement in wormhole space is sickneing and It's really starting to feel like nullsec nowadays.
calaretu Honestly We didnt know Unsettled. 250	Posted - 2015.02.12 07:33:55 - [89] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: One thing that stands out to me in particular and I'm sure I'm missing something but: Quote: We have agreed as leadership that homesites create drama, and lock our home hole down for hours per day which is prime time activity timezones Surely if you PvE in alts, this will happen at the same time where you would be rolling/roaming. How do you run sites in alts and pvp at the same time? Why is there a need for alts PvEing when your corp budget is funded by PvP? Thats easy. 4 people scout/roll and ping the rest when targets found. if someone tackles rolling ships everyone else alt-tab and fight is had. Everyone wins. You know what, maybe we should merge our two alliances and do the same? Farm all day while a couple of guys roll through all the empty (or friendly) c5's? ~Bringer of happiness http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
NoobMan Hard Knocks Inc. 71	Posted - 2015.02.12 09:35:50 - [90] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: One thing that stands out to me in particular and I'm sure I'm missing something but: Quote: We have agreed as leadership that homesites create drama, and lock our home hole down for hours per day which is prime time activity timezones Surely if you PvE in alts, this will happen at the same time where you would be rolling/roaming. How do you run sites in alts and pvp at the same time? Why is there a need for alts PvEing when your corp budget is funded by PvP? If you do not think this is possible please check our killboard. If you want to understand how it works, I'll tell you. People do not Pve in "primetime" Time zones. For safety obviously you don't want to get killed in high activity timezones. But the real reason is people never bear over PvP, We have never had a problem with this. If they did disappear and didn't show up to fleets they would be kicked. We purge our inactive members every month. Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
Andrew Jester Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 945	Posted - 2015.02.12 13:47:38 - [91] - Quote NoobMan wrote: If you do not think this is possible please check our killboard. muh kb stats Zekora Rally wrote: The sense of entitlement in wormhole space is sickneing and It's really starting to feel like nullsec nowadays. check your privilege cis scum, you're triggering me If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 985	Posted - 2015.02.12 13:52:11 - [92] - Quote NoobMan wrote: People do not Pve in "primetime" Time zones. So what is the problem running sites in home if it's not primetime anyway?
CivilWars Rolled Out 242	Posted - 2015.02.12 14:18:39 - [93] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: NoobMan wrote: People do not Pve in "primetime" Time zones. So what is the problem running sites in home if it's not primetime anyway? All the Aussie steal the damn sites before the Euros or Muricans even wake up. Fuk those guys. Hidden Fremen liked your forum post: Jack Miton liked your forum post:
Alundil Isogen 5 855	Posted - 2015.02.12 14:40:18 - [94] - Quote CivilWars wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: NoobMan wrote: People do not Pve in "primetime" Time zones. So what is the problem running sites in home if it's not primetime anyway? All the Aussie steal the damn sites before the Euros or Muricans even wake up. Fuk those guys. Truth ^ How else can someone roll with a shield proteus (sheets expensive yo). I'm right behind you
Andrew Jester Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 945	Posted - 2015.02.12 16:11:26 - [95] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: NoobMan wrote: People do not Pve in "primetime" Time zones. So what is the problem running sites in home if it's not primetime anyway? then they can't dickswing about how they don't run homesites If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 2079	Posted - 2015.02.13 00:30:22 - [96] - Quote What I find amusing is everyone's arguing about people making money. You sound like the Old Housewives Club of Geminate. Get over it. If you can't evict some HK alts from their bear holes, just bear twice as hard in your vanilla C5's or spawn camp the Silent Battleground for 23 hours and make kasquillions of ISK, and come back with twice as many swaglfars. hashtagTF4CSMX http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 20414	Posted - 2015.02.13 03:09:58 - [97] - Quote I don't even know what all this is about. But like a killmail, I felt the need to whre in on it anyway. Hi Boss! waves* =ƒÉÆ Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James Dusette SquadGäó endorses Corbexx for CSM X !
Andrew Jester Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 951	Posted - 2015.02.13 04:44:30 - [98] - Quote Candi LeMew wrote: Hi Boss! waves if this wasn't directed at me before it is now If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Paul Vashar Periphery Bound 31	Posted - 2015.02.13 04:56:56 - [99] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: Candi LeMew wrote: Hi Boss! waves if this wasn't directed at me before it is now 100% aggro disagree. All figures points towards Dusette ropes :)
Andrew Jester Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 951	Posted - 2015.02.13 13:11:59 - [100] - Quote pls your desperation is showing If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
NoobMan Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 77	Posted - 2015.02.13 14:05:19 - [101] - Quote Before everyone panics, Hard Knocks is joining Hard Knocks Citizens because we need an alliance for AT. TL;DR HK is now renters. Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
Aivo Dresden Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 414	Posted - 2015.02.14 13:30:25 - [102] - Quote Where do I sign this renting agreeme... I mean who do I give my lunch money to? Nice racket, if ever saw one.
Ayeson Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 526	Posted - 2015.02.14 14:58:17 - [103] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: NoobMan wrote: People do not Pve in "primetime" Time zones. So what is the problem running sites in home if it's not primetime anyway? then they can't dickswing about how they don't run homesites Hk = 23.5/7 prime time m8 Also I love how mad you nerds all are about my tiny little corp :3 Also also I am officially the emperor of krabs. Welp. I GÖÑ the orthrus
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 992	Posted - 2015.02.14 15:20:47 - [104] - Quote so if 23.5/7 is primetime, how do you run sites in alts?
Ayeson Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 526	Posted - 2015.02.14 15:33:40 - [105] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: so if 23.5/7 is primetime, how do you run sites in alts? Simple, Hk prime =\= eve peak hours aka. Eve prime I GÖÑ the orthrus
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 993	Posted - 2015.02.14 16:30:33 - [106] - Quote so you run sites in alts for 30 minutes a day?
Ayeson Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 526	Posted - 2015.02.14 16:43:18 - [107] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: so you run sites in alts for 30 minutes a day? Clearly you lack the mental capacity to understand the words coming out of my mouth. I GÖÑ the orthrus
Hidden Fremen Lazerhawks 541	Posted - 2015.02.14 17:05:27 - [108] - Quote Please hurry up and drop your alliance.
Axloth Okiah Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 542	Posted - 2015.02.14 17:30:53 - [109] - Quote Hidden Fremen wrote: Please hurry up and drop your alliance. Makes me wonder who are dependent on... W-Space Realtor
Andrew Jester Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 954	Posted - 2015.02.14 17:46:12 - [110] - Quote Ayeson wrote: Andrew Jester wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: NoobMan wrote: People do not Pve in "primetime" Time zones. So what is the problem running sites in home if it's not primetime anyway? then they can't dickswing about how they don't run homesites Hk = 23.5/7 prime time m8 Also I love how mad you nerds all are about my tiny little corp :3 Also also I am officially the emperor of krabs. Welp. "u r somad" "no u r mad" "nomad" ayeson-senpai pls next time a like will suffice :3 If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Ayeson Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 527	Posted - 2015.02.14 17:48:08 - [111] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: ayeson-senpai next time a like will suffice :3 Ayeson has liked your post I GÖÑ the orthrus
Andrew Jester Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 954	Posted - 2015.02.14 17:49:04 - [112] - Quote Quote: Ayeson liked your forum post Open Letter to... that's more like it If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 995	Posted - 2015.02.14 22:50:53 - [113] - Quote Ayeson wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: so you run sites in alts for 30 minutes a day? Clearly you lack the mental capacity to understand the words coming out of my mouth. I see now, Noobman was referring to people as a whole. I thought he meant people as in HK. I understand now, so you PVE in alts during primetime when people aren't site running because they're afraid of being rolled on. Gotcha.
Ayeson Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 527	Posted - 2015.02.15 04:21:16 - [114] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: I understand now, so you PVE in alts during primetime when people aren't site running because they're afraid of being rolled on. Gotcha. flip that around PvE on alts during lulls in General EVE activity while PVPing 23.5/7 I GÖÑ the orthrus
Andrew Jester Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 958	Posted - 2015.02.15 04:56:17 - [115] - Quote ayeson-sama pls STOP. BITING. BAIT. it's embarrassing ;--; If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Ayeson Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 527	Posted - 2015.02.15 06:34:21 - [116] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: ayeson-sama pls STOP. BITING. BAIT. it's embarrassing ;--; #1 rule of HK, always bite bait. Even on forums. This is why you didn't get in. I GÖÑ the orthrus
Andrew Jester Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 964	Posted - 2015.02.15 14:12:52 - [117] - Quote that app got deleted before it could even turn into something beautiful, HK confirmed unable to handle my sweg If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 998	Posted - 2015.02.15 15:42:40 - [118] - Quote Ayeson wrote: Tsukino Stareine wrote: I understand now, so you PVE in alts during primetime when people aren't site running because they're afraid of being rolled on. Gotcha. flip that around PvE on alts during lulls in General EVE activity while PVPing 23.5/7 isn't that what I said?
Lloyd Roses 856	Posted - 2015.02.15 16:14:08 - [119] - Quote Renter-alliance at the AT. That's awesome. Hopefully the moderators will make numerous flat puns about that :D I GÖÑ Sleipnir

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