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beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2015.03.17 23:17:44 - [1] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: I speaking of the friendly fire switch corps now have. CCP's reasoning: New players join a corp, and get shot for their trouble. They go back to an NPC corp. Other new players hear about this, and decide to not join a corp at all. They stay in an NPC corp, and eventually leave the game. CCP decides to add the friendly fire switch to help this situation, to help keep these players. The other half of the reasoning is that corporations were afraid to recruit because they were afraid newbs would awox them. Which also doesn't make a lot of sense. My answer to the OP's question, even though the OP is a massive troll: 1) I live in highsec 1a) highsec corps are awful 2) I can do everything I want without joining or forming a corp 3) sometimes interesting people (or new players needing help) show up in NPC corp chat
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2015.03.18 06:12:31 - [2] - Quote Tregod wrote: Why do I hate what it did? Because once you leave a starter corp, you can never return to it. You just go to the other NPC corps. And honestly, that is where the main issue lies in my eyes. You've reduced the number of active, social players in the starter corp without putting in something to help increase the beginner's ability to socialize. I would recommend implementing an NPC racial alliance channel that is automatically joined by all NPC corps of that race or start dumping folks back into the starter corps when they leave their PC corps. Stop separating the active, older players from the new folks. I once wrote up a long post on this theme and then didn't post it once I realized it would be trolled to hell. I understand CCP's desire to drive new players out of the NPC corps based on their player retention statistics. But as the NPE stands, the first "community" a new player is introduced to are their NPC corpmates, and the present situation has really only ensured that this community is made up of the people least able to help them. (With exceptions, obviously.)
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2015.03.19 23:56:45 - [3] - Quote I wonder when, if ever, CCP will stop relying on volunteerism for their NPE.
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2015.03.20 01:22:07 - [4] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Feel free to specify what sort of corps you think they belong to while operating primarily in hisec, and I'd be happy to respond to you. In my own experience, people really aren't fond of that 11% tax. I can't speak for mission runners because I don't know any, but I've found it pretty uncommon to see fellow NPC corp members in an incursion fleet.
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2015.03.20 02:27:42 - [5] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I would argue that they are not separate subjects. They're very closely tied in with one another, as the defining features of wardecs and NPC corps relate to each other, respectively. The defining feature of NPC corps from the perspective of game mechanics may be that they are immune to wardecs, but for some the appeal of an NPC corp is that, from a social perspective, they are structureless. I'm personally resistant to the idea of trying to deal with one issue without accomodating for the other.
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2015.03.24 23:11:10 - [6] - Quote xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: they ask for in game information, not real life information. Miomeifeng is arguing that space guilds want more space information than real life employers want (or can have) real life information. Straightfoward. xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: you really think employers don't read their workers mails or access their facebook accounts to have a read (not hack)what they might be upto ? See, where I live, this is a great way to end up breaking the law.
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 95	Posted - 2015.05.20 22:14:33 - [7] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: unless CCP creates favored player groups by placing mew players directly into them this game would literally turn into Hello Kitty Online
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 107	Posted - 2015.05.23 00:12:23 - [8] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Some starter Corps also have many of those things (eg. CAS), but it's not part of what the structure of a starter corp is in comparison to what is acheived in the organisation of player Corps many of which also go way beyond that with [things] None of those things are inherently part of the structure of player corps, either. They're part of the meta. Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Unfortunately, I can't shake the sneaking suspicion that all the attempts to force PvE into player corps via oppressive tax rates are just a thinly veiled demand that CCP provide more easy targets for highsec pvp. how can you even suggest that, surely the good people of this game would not stoop to such things
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 107	Posted - 2015.05.23 00:52:37 - [9] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Irrespective of cause and where the driver is for it (within mechanics or the meta) those experiences exist more commonly in player Corps than they do in starter Corps. For sure. But if this kind of player engagement is both key to player retention and supplementary to the game mechanics of the corporation, looking for ways to incentivise it outside of corporations also makes sense. This seems to be on the table. ( I'm cautiously optimistic. )
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 107	Posted - 2015.05.23 00:57:52 - [10] - Quote Joe Risalo wrote: What is your definition of a bad corp? Can't speak for Kaarous but here are a few of mine: - absentee leadership - leadership who pretend to know more about the game than is actually the case - leadership which is most interested in enriching itself rather than providing content for their members - leadership who have an exceedingly narrow view of how to play the game and require that their members to abide by it there's a theme here

beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 107	Posted - 2015.05.23 01:03:24 - [11] - Quote Sol, maybe you should lie down.
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 109	Posted - 2015.05.23 01:14:32 - [12] - Quote Joe Risalo wrote: I would argue that these are better examples of null sec alliances and corps than they are of casual high sec corps. When I say "leadership" I'm not only meaning CEOs, I'm also referring to directors, middle-managers, FCs, and the like. Any null-sec alliance whose entire leadership apparatus behaved like this would failcascade in a light breeze.
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2015.05.23 01:30:30 - [13] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: Please don't make me come back for thirds. ISD Mirriam Lobstarr, you can have as many extra helpings as you like. This is General Discussion, our badposting is post-scarcity.
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 114	Posted - 2015.05.23 06:15:15 - [14] - Quote what happened to your head?
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 138	Posted - 2015.05.27 09:50:29 - [15] - Quote The issue is, as Fozzie (I think?) put it, that the new player experience (tutorial and NPC starter corps included) points players in the direction of the kind of gameplay that is associated with poor retention. The responsiblity of getting newbies more deeply involved with the game is left almost entirely to other players GÇô some of whom are in NPC corps, most of whom are in player corps. People generally agree that this is the case, the question is what should be done about it. On the other hand, you might just be a brain in a jar, so why try anything. (edit: actually I think it was Rise)
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 143	Posted - 2015.05.27 11:36:21 - [16] - Quote Mayhaw Morgan wrote: Why should the focus be on other people pushing new players to play? Why shouldn't the focus be on empowering new players to take matters into their own hands? Perhaps it should. It isn't. Quote: i can haz data point? The fanfest videos and CSM minutes are available. I'm empowering you to go dig them up yourself.
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 144	Posted - 2015.05.27 12:18:35 - [17] - Quote Mayhaw Morgan wrote: I sincerely hope I am interpreting your response correctly. I find it difficult to believe that this claimed sincerity is genuine!
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 152	Posted - 2015.05.29 01:39:22 - [18] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Justify your "get off my NPC porch" rant all you want, but what you are really clinging onto is that sweet, sweet wardec immunity. Some people have posted that they stay in NPC corps because of wardec immunity. Other people have posted that they stay in NPC corps for reasons other than wardec immunity. There are two options: GÇô they're all liars GÇô you are wrong about what these other people find worthwhile Quote: Feeling antisocial? Don't want to take orders? Make a one-man corp. I still don't see how this is an improvement for anyone.

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