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Teebee	Posted - 2006.10.03 11:05:00 - [1] Edited by: Teebee on 03/10/2006 11:12:20 Edited by: Teebee on 03/10/2006 11:09:26 Edited by: Teebee on 03/10/2006 11:09:00 Edited by: Teebee on 03/10/2006 11:05:14 Hi , at first I didnt want to do this but i think they need to recognize for the lack of honor they had for their own new member and after finaly speaking with someone that messaged me - after i had to make 1 rude remark in alliance chat which was 2 days after i sent the alliance leader count, a mail saying what happend and in that mail i didnt even ask for any riembursment. Day 1 - The recruiter tells me to put in a aplication and say its for him so i did that and then I decided to go into ISS space. While i was in there I got attacked by a ISS member because i was talking to someone in local that had been anoying them all day but i didnt attack back until after i posted that im joining ISSN in local , I killed his destroyer in a cruiser , but thats my first ..... grrr almost first day in ISS. I tried taking a cruiser to borealis and got poped cuz i didnt have the instas through placid which was patialy my fault IMO but the next day i ran into a member that was moving also and he used placid instas and i used pure blind instas so it worked out perfectly. Next day or 2 I bought a BS so i can start fighting other BS's for ISS all of it without a discount because i didnt want to wait for the requirements to buy one from the corp, but they didnt see my willingness as anything. Next I decided to move all my stuf in a hauler to borialis and asked in corp chat for help but one of the comanders Mynas told me ( ask some freinds) .......ask some friends ?? I just joined ISS and he told me to ask some friends.....heh I think this was after he found out i wasnt a capital ship pilot. I even asked in alliance chat and got no response at all from anyone , my hopes for a golrious future fighting for the good guys were starting to look hazy. I decided to take my main because I had most of the instas I didnt wanna take a alt with no istas and get smoked and i wanted to get there asap so i made the move with like 99% of my stuf full cargo hold with 3 cargo expanders and like 5 cans filled with regular mods , named mods , TII mods - drones, and i headed up there but on the way up i ran into the same guy that kileld me last time which makes me think there is a spy in the corp so anyways he killed me all my stuf gone......ok I felt stupid and though man i dont wanna put this corp mail but 5 minutes later Mynas one of the comanders already had seen it and called me an idiot and other sarcastic things.I was thinking WTF i lose all my stuf and hes being a ****? Ok what if i pod him before i leave the corp but i got more character then that you see, but insted i message Count and told him what my experiance was and he sent a reply saying he will look into it which was cool and i didnt ask for riembursment. I waited a while but no one had got back to me after that and no one talking in corp chat about it but after someone in alliance chat said the privateers realy owned us i made a sarcastic remark and finaly someone messaged me but only a leiutenant but still hes higher then me in the corp. and we talked about what happend which i will post as a reply i dont feel like writing it all but basicaly i felt like no one got told off or anything and they didnt realy care so i said send me the riemburment for all the items lost in the loss mail which is impossible to list all the things i lost but maybe 20% of evarything but he said no and then that was it i quit the corp. This was the first time i tried joining something Big and i had alot of respect for ISS before joining. If you see my employment history you will see i joined alot of small corps in hopes of making it big but this time i wanted to join something big and be a part of the corp that protects its members. Now i realise that its nothing i thought it would be and i had more fun in most of the other corps i was in.
Teebee	Posted - 2006.10.03 11:07:00 - [2] Edited by: Teebee on 03/10/2006 11:11:44 I'm not making this post to have evaryone feel bad for me or talk crap but i think an alliance like ISS should have more character then that especialy to new member considering my situation but it seemed more like a organized crime situation. This is the truth about ISSN's leadership.
Le Cardinal ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.03 11:51:00 - [3] Every corporation has responsibility of taking care of their new members. Helping them move their stuff from A-B and settle in. You help your new member with what u can. If ur not willing to stand up for your new members and make them feel welcomed you cant expect anything more from them. A good leadership (commanders) takes care of its members. A neglecting or poor leadership dont. In the end the good leadership remains and the neglecting leadership fails. Im not talking about structure in corps and what rules you have. Take care of your members. It pays out. ECP.R killboard
Naldo Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.03 12:27:00 - [4] Big corps/alliances have more important issues to deal with than new members, may sound pretty harsh it is true though. Smaller more compact corps are generally more organised and more friendly. Try looking for one of them to join.
Earthan Gallente GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.10.03 12:28:00 - [5] yea sounds bad feel sorry for you Teebe. I understand can get hard if you are really big, but hey, you should alwys take care of new members. - A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer. Grey Council webpage
Le Cardinal ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.03 12:59:00 - [6] Originally by: Naldo Big corps/alliances have more important issues to deal with than new members, may sound pretty harsh it is true though. Smaller more compact corps are generally more organised and more friendly. Try looking for one of them to join. Doesnt matter if its a big or small corp. You take care of your new members no matter what. Every CEO/director should make sure they have a couple of peeps assigned to this task if they are bigger corps. As a leader you make sure that someone has this role assigned. Delegate tasks. ECP.R killboard
Naldo Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.03 13:10:00 - [7] Originally by: Le Cardinal Originally by: Naldo Big corps/alliances have more important issues to deal with than new members, may sound pretty harsh it is true though. Smaller more compact corps are generally more organised and more friendly. Try looking for one of them to join. Doesnt matter if its a big or small corp. You take care of your new members no matter what. Every CEO/director should make sure they have a couple of peeps assigned to this task if they are bigger corps. As a leader you make sure that someone has this role assigned. Delegate tasks. Note the word "generally", I have been in 2 or 3 situations where larger groups have no time for newer people. Maybe they should assign people to deal with new people. End of the day, would have, could have, should have, but didn't. Smaller groups generally (note the word "generally" meaning in my experiences this is normally what happened to me) value each member more and more care is taken to them. Not having a pop at bigger corps or alliances as catering for every members need is hard. Just saying that with a smaller corp there is a better chance of being treated better.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.03 13:44:00 - [8] So, you join a PvP corp and expect them to hand hold you moving all your ships and mods? You expect them to drop whatever campaign they are doing, scramble into Empire for you (how many jumps?) just because you lack the competence to sort yourself out on this very basic level. You then lose a hauler DURING AN EMPIRE WAR, whislt hauling with your main character? Despite being told to use a hauling alt? Jesus. Mate, sorry to say this but you're just not cut out for a dedicated 0.0 PvP corp. Now quit the whining and look up a small indy corp or something more suited to your 'talents'.
Caeldfyr Boh Gallente Fusion Core Productions	Posted - 2006.10.03 13:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Butter Dog So, you join a PvP corp and expect them to hand hold you moving all your ships and mods? You expect them to drop whatever campaign they are doing, scramble into Empire for you (how many jumps?) just because you lack the competence to sort yourself out on this very basic level. You then lose a hauler DURING AN EMPIRE WAR, whislt hauling with your main character? Despite being told to use a hauling alt? Jesus. Mate, sorry to say this but you're just not cut out for a dedicated 0.0 PvP corp. Now quit the whining and look up a small indy corp or something more suited to your 'talents'. Couldn't have put it better myself.
Naldo Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:06:00 - [10] To quote from the ISSN recruitment thread Quote: ISSN is unique EVE - a PvP corp with a purpose, and comprehensive support for its members. What was so comprehensive about the support given to this player in getting setup in your area?
insanebe Caldari carebear Corp	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Naldo To quote from the ISSN recruitment thread Quote: ISSN is unique EVE - a PvP corp with a purpose, and comprehensive support for its members. What was so comprehensive about the support given to this player in getting setup in your area? discount ships (i think i never bought one while i was there, takes too long) refunded insurance cost of battleships lost in fleet battles free mods for your ships free access to dock at iss stations there was also a buying of iss shares or summat they may have changed a few things since i was there shouldn't be hauling in empire with your main, its not like iss has a shortage of wardec's lol should use a scout alt to see whats in front of the next gate and should have instas, yes might take a while to get them and yes its boring but they are VITAL :p if they didn't give you this advice maybe there is a point about not looking after the inexperienced, but if they did tell you and you ignored them then what do you expect lol and also in 0.0 space no one can here you scream, you lose ships there its the nature of the beast knowledge is power.... guard it well
Algey ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:37:00 - [12] Edited by: Algey on 03/10/2006 14:44:25 Originally by: Naldo To quote from the ISSN recruitment thread Quote: ISSN is unique EVE - a PvP corp with a purpose, and comprehensive support for its members. What was so comprehensive about the support given to this player in getting setup in your area? Considering quite how hostile you guys are to ISS(N), being our local EC pirates, I doubt that we will be answering this question to you in the near future. I do find it interesting how quickly you have jumped into this discussion to defend our poor downtrodden insta/scout hating hauler pilot There is a reason that we ask people to come to one of our 0.0 stations to apply for membership. Usually it weeds out those who would fill a hauler with goodies and slowboat it around hostile space. ISSN Recruitment Slave
Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Teebee .. snip .. and finaly someone messaged me but only a leiutenant but still hes higher then me in the corp. and we talked about what happend .. snip .. No idea if you're talking about your convo to me, or the evemail I sent you but.. I have a couple of suggestions for anyone thinking of joining ISSN... 1. On day one.. don't haul lots of stuff into 0.0 (you won't need it right away) or fly out to us in your best ship. It can make for a bad start. You can bring your BS or hauler full of goodies as part of a patrol or freigher escort at a later date. The Corp's going to provide pretty much everything else you need. 2. To make it to lieutenant you need to get 5 kills. Just so it's clear, starting by killing your own corp mates doesn't count. 3. Getting in a huff with the management is fine. Just do it privately. We all know people can have a bad day, things can go wrong, mistakes can happen but posting complaints in alliance chat, corp chat, and on eve-o, sure isn't going to get any respect. Originally by: TeeBee Now i realise that its nothing i thought it would be and i had more fun in most of the other corps i was in. Personally ISSN has been the best thing I've done in the game but perhaps our expectations are totally different....
Teebee	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:43:00 - [14] Yeah i joined cuz of pvp , cheaper ships , and feeling like im not solo anymore especialy in 0.0. I dont understand why i didnt get any help because the fleet move they call it was in affect while i was there from fabrica to borealis.
Chi Prime ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:46:00 - [15] Edited by: Chi Prime on 03/10/2006 14:46:52 Isn't this thread in the wrong section? From the description: "This is the corporation and alliance version of the Intergalactic Summit. All interaction on this forum is in-character and between corporations or alliances, not individual characters." Also see the section rules: Linkage
Thor Payne ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Butter Dog So, you join a PvP corp and expect them to hand hold you moving all your ships and mods? You expect them to drop whatever campaign they are doing, scramble into Empire for you (how many jumps?) just because you lack the competence to sort yourself out on this very basic level. You then lose a hauler DURING AN EMPIRE WAR, whislt hauling with your main character? Despite being told to use a hauling alt? Jesus. Mate, sorry to say this but you're just not cut out for a dedicated 0.0 PvP corp. Now quit the whining and look up a small indy corp or something more suited to your 'talents'. I agree with the above statement from butter dog. You are the only one responsible for losing your items. Not ISS or ISSN.
Mynas Atoch Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:48:00 - [17] Yeah. I fully endorse this post. On my first day in ISS(N) they made ME come to 0.0 to sign up and someone SHOT at me on the way in!!! Then I had to sit at a station in my brand new shiny Scorpion ALL NIGHT recharging a shield because some guys had given it to ISS and they didn't even PAY me for it and I even had to go buy the skillbooks to use the shield transfer thingies myself. It took SSOOOO LONNNNNG I had to get my family corp to bring three of thier BCs to help. THEN we chased some pirates off a gate and it all went horribly wrong and I lost my brand new shiny Scorpion. And then they said it was my fault, because the gang leader said to pull out and I panicked and jammed someone but couldn't jump and then got stuck on a gate and it was just awfullllll!!! I blame that guy Butter Dog. Its all his fault!!! Mynas Atoch, XO, ISSN
Thor Payne ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Teebee Yeah i joined cuz of pvp , cheaper ships , and feeling like im not solo anymore especialy in 0.0. I dont understand why i didnt get any help because the fleet move they call it was in affect while i was there from fabrica to borealis. It might have been in effect after you joined but obviously you did not join any of the ops...why not?
Naldo Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.03 15:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Algey Originally by: Naldo To quote from the ISSN recruitment thread Quote: ISSN is unique EVE - a PvP corp with a purpose, and comprehensive support for its members. What was so comprehensive about the support given to this player in getting setup in your area? Considering quite how hostile you guys are to ISS(N), being our local EC pirates, I doubt that we will be answering this question to you in the near future. I do find it interesting how quickly you have jumped into this thread though There is a reason that we ask people to come to one of our 0.0 stations to apply for membership. Me being hostile has no bearing on why I posted. I am a bigger person that that. I actually posted in here as I have been affected in similar circumstances, never resulted in any loss of any significant size though. It is difficult to cater to all members needs and help them. He needed the support from his new found friends and was found wanting. He is probably very annoyed. It is understandable, former members like Butter coming in and contradicting your own thoughts doesn't help matters as unless I am mistaken he was one of the higher ranked members? So yes don't see what I say as a direct attack because we fight each other regulary. Some people actually see EVE as just a game, I am one of them. Vendetta's are for the foolish.
DANGEROUS Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.03 15:18:00 - [20] Points of interest 1) - - CLEARLY ISS are of the opinion that the 0.0 community 'owe' them something - (like free travel around 0.0) - - LAUGHABLE 2) - to become a LIEUTENANT in ISS u need FIVE - - yes FIVE - kills - - -ROFL _ ROFL ROFL _ - - umm what rank would i get with over 600 kill mails (received) - ??? Supreme commander???? ROFL - - hang on - let me get back on my chair - ROFL - fell off chair again!!!!
Mynas Atoch Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.03 15:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Naldo So yes don't see what I say as a direct attack because we fight each other regulary. Some people actually see EVE as just a game, I am one of them. Vendetta's are for the foolish. /qft We don't hand hold people who have just come in the door. We expect them to arrive at their first duty station unassisted - with BM's or without. Its a basic skills cutoff we feel works for us to supplement our rigourous interview during the recruitment process. We supply them with free frigates, mods and cruisers till they get the hang of it and feel comfortable. We expect them to be able to traverse 0.0 solo, and if they arrive solely in their pod, that will do for day one. They often lose their first BS early unless they come with the prerequisite skills. We assist them in buying their first fleet BS when they have been in for a short time AND ACTIVE in gangs and ops. More and more of our recuits laugh at this offer and arrive in T2 ships or even their carriers and dreads. We repeat AD NAUSEUM - do not use an ISS toon to move haulers unescorted in Empire during Empire Wars. We can even give them a quick skillplan to generate one if they need it. We were indeed rather unimpressed at Teebee losing a hauler with that quantity of mods in Empire during an Empire War and told him so. And then explained how he could have avoided it in future. It turns out he was too sensitive to cope with my explanation. His departure saved us the time and distress of a meeting to discuss his progress and the almost inevitable expulsion after his 'trial period'. We .. _I_ stress to everyone who joins us to take it slowly, to get to know us, to work out on their own if ISSN is the place for them before moving large quantities of ships and mods around - while simultaneously lambasting anyone who doesn't have the tools they need where they are needed when they are needed. Teebee and ISSN didn't work. That's not a problem for either of us .. its an opportunity for Teebee to find a corp where he can find a pace that suits him and an enjoy the game on HIS terms. In that I wish him well. And I hereby acknowledge that I was wrong in ignoring others initial reservations about him. Mea Culpa. Myn
Mynas Atoch Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.03 15:23:00 - [22] Originally by: DANGEROUS Points of interest 1) - - CLEARLY ISS are of the opinion that the 0.0 community 'owe' them something - (like free travel around 0.0) - - LAUGHABLE /me searches and searches but just doesn't see this with a clarity that would be DANGEROUS Originally by: DANGEROUS 2) - to become a LIEUTENANT in ISS u need FIVE - - yes FIVE - kills - - -ROFL _ ROFL ROFL _ - - umm what rank would i get with over 600 kill mails (received) - ??? Supreme commander???? ROFL - - hang on - let me get back on my chair - ROFL - fell off chair again!!!! Quick .. put a cushion on the floor before you fall again, because its not five kill mails .. its PARTICIPATION in five killmails!!! Mate, Lt just means you are a member and are allowed to use the T1 mods. No more, no less. Setting other arbitrary rules for access? Well, tell us how it works in your corp so we can see what we are doing wrong and can share the joke. Myn
Naldo Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.03 15:34:00 - [23] Mynas, thats fair enough. You have explained yourselves and whether people agree with your morals etc is another thing. At least you shed some clarity on the matter and that can only serve as a good thing for both yourselves and future members who may expect too much off ISS from the off. As for the D2 guy giving the superiority speech, guess its easy to be ubber with the other million alliances you fight with.
Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.03 16:23:00 - [24] Originally by: DANGEROUS 1) - - CLEARLY ISS are of the opinion that the 0.0 community 'owe' them something - (like free travel around 0.0) - - LAUGHABLE 2) - to become a LIEUTENANT in ISS u need FIVE - - yes FIVE - kills - - -ROFL _ ROFL ROFL _ - - umm what rank would i get with over 600 kill mails (received) - ??? Supreme commander???? ROFL - - hang on - let me get back on my chair - ROFL - fell off chair again!!!! Points of interest... lol. Hardly. I was talking about ISSN not ISS. Laughing about what you didn't know about was pretty dumb. With such an incisive whit and imagination I'm sure you might make ensign and although you obviously don't feel you 'owe' us anything, somehow I'm sure you won't be able to resist posting more drivel to entertain us with.
Sgt Napalm ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.03 16:37:00 - [25] Not everybody is cut out to be in the Navy. I lost two ships my first day in ISSN just trying to meet up with the fleet. I limped my pod to EC- and received a free frigate. I later found out that this is the first test of a new ISSN pilot. To sum it up, if you cannot get yourself to the fleet you fail at EvE. Sarge out
DANGEROUS Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.03 16:48:00 - [26] Edited by: DANGEROUS on 03/10/2006 16:49:28 hells bells - there is even lag on the dam forums now!!!!!! dual post 4tl!!!!
DANGEROUS Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.03 16:48:00 - [27] Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: DANGEROUS 1) - - CLEARLY ISS are of the opinion that the 0.0 community 'owe' them something - (like free travel around 0.0) - - LAUGHABLE 2) - to become a LIEUTENANT in ISS u need FIVE - - yes FIVE - kills - - -ROFL _ ROFL ROFL _ - - umm what rank would i get with over 600 kill mails (received) - ??? Supreme commander???? ROFL - - hang on - let me get back on my chair - ROFL - fell off chair again!!!! Points of interest... lol. Hardly. I was talking about ISSN not ISS. Laughing about what you didn't know about was pretty dumb. With such an incisive whit and imagination I'm sure you might make ensign and although you obviously don't feel you 'owe' us anything, somehow I'm sure you won't be able to resist posting more drivel to entertain us with. The humour i can assure you is 2 sided )))) i rarely dont speak my mind - although i should add i clearly only comment on my thoughts which are not reflected by my corp or alliance. I have to apologise, i see that it takes parcipation in 5 kills to get a rank in the NAVY wing of ISS. (issn). so to go up the ranks in ISS do you have to be able to kill a certain number of roids in a certain time??? Please take my commetns with a pinch of humour, Most of the time i like to 'use' the forums for humour rather than 'smack'. Its simply that i dont agree with the principal of what ISS stand for that i ridicule, that is all. As far as i am concerned 0.0 is NOT a place where anyone is really able to shelter. 0.0 is NOT empire and it should never be treated as such else imo 0.0 would change into smething lamer than it already has become.
Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.03 17:00:00 - [28] Originally by: DANGEROUS Please take my commetns with a pinch of humour, Most of the time i like to 'use' the forums for humour rather than 'smack'. I will admit to being a little short on humour today.. someone mentioned the word 'mining'
Algey ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.03 17:04:00 - [29] Originally by: Naldo Some people actually see EVE as just a game, I am one of them. Vendetta's are for the foolish. This is the in character forum, and I'm one of the geeky roleplayers. Sorry Mods please clean this post out as you do the thread. It serves no purpose in this forum. ISSN Recruitment Slave
Supay Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.03 17:12:00 - [30] Originally by: DANGEROUS Its simply that i dont agree with the principal of what ISS stand for that i ridicule, that is all. As far as i am concerned 0.0 is NOT a place where anyone is really able to shelter. 0.0 is NOT empire and it should never be treated as such else imo 0.0 would change into smething lamer than it already has become. Surely then, you have missed the whole basis of 0.0 and EVE in general. It's player controlled and player driven and anyone can do whatever they want with it. If people do something and it works, no matter how much you think it shouldn't, it IS the game.

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