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Blood Fart
Silent Coven
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:36:00 -
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Takseen wrote:If they're as easy and riskfree as people suggest, why aren't more people flocking to run them?
My guess is that EVE's pve generally consists of warping to something then shooting red crosses in the order the online walkthrough directs you to until you memorize it?
Really, who cares how much it makes it's boring as hell....why don't we just call them what they are? Raids. I think the reward for doing an incursion should be an Orc or Fairy portrait and dance emote. |

Recycled Alt
Mish 4 free
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:51:00 -
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Fearless M0F0 wrote:Easy?, yeah, you can roll up a new character and join vanguard fleets and make 120m/hr right away.... right? 
Erm, yes, 7m SP and you are a very capable Logi 5 pilot. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
123
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:55:00 -
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Leave Incursion rewards, remove CONCORD from highsec Incursions. If they can keep making 120m an hour while fighting off pirates, they deserve it. |

Nyssah
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
4
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:57:00 -
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Raven Ether wrote:Calling it now.
Little carebears that get shittons of rewards for blasting incursions in highsec with tiny risk simply fucks the risk/reward pattern.
Let the tearbears and bitternoobs rage.
Because sitting out in deep deep 0.0 with intel channels informing you of hostile movements 20+ jumps away, as they move closer to you system by system being reported all the way along, as you sit in your sanctum in a carrier is a high risk situation. Please, I never felt safer sitting out in 0.0 running sanctums in my Nyx. Hell you have more of a chance in high-sec being screwed over by an angry logi's who doesn't want to rep someone because of some grudge that happened 6 months ago. Example provided below,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDDRTnrgaJs
Go find something else to QQ over. |

Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:21:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Leave Incursion rewards, remove CONCORD from highsec Incursions. If they can keep making 120m an hour while fighting off pirates, they deserve it.
We have that, they're called lowsec incursions. Massively popular, I'm told...
Seriously though folks. I doubt CCP are going to kill off one of their few successful features of the past few years. If you want to be constructive, you'd need to think of ways to make it more viable in low and null. Or make it rewarding without acting as such a big isk faucet if you're worried about the inflation aspect.
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Forum Fighter
Internet Tough Guys
1
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:23:00 -
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Hi guys what's going on in here? Oh, null sec carebears are mad about high sec carebears. This needed a thread? Rescuing fanbois from haters since 2003-¬ |

Forum Fighter
Internet Tough Guys
1
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:25:00 -
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Recycled Alt wrote:Fearless M0F0 wrote:Easy?, yeah, you can roll up a new character and join vanguard fleets and make 120m/hr right away.... right?  Erm, yes, 7m SP and you are a very capable Logi 5 pilot.
That takes 124 days to train m8 0707070707 Rescuing fanbois from haters since 2003-¬ |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
123
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:36:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Leave Incursion rewards, remove CONCORD from highsec Incursions. If they can keep making 120m an hour while fighting off pirates, they deserve it. We have that, they're called lowsec incursions. Massively popular, I'm told... Seriously though folks. I doubt CCP are going to kill off one of their few successful features of the past few years. If you want to be constructive, you'd need to think of ways to make it more viable in low and null. Man that's easy: Next time I'm fighting Sansha in period basis, if any red tries and shoots me while I'm rolling in isk, CONCORD blows them up. Makes the same amount of sense. |

adopt
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:41:00 -
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Ironically, I made this character solely for running incursions, at 1 month, 14 days, I was flying a T2 Fitted Maelstrom, its not difficult for new players to run incursions. Personally, I love them, they are a great social activity for groups of players, its been 9 months since I had 40 rowdy players at my command.
What I believe drives people away from incursions is the higher chance you will lose your ship, as well as, you leaving your full, upmost trust, into someone you have never met before, to keep your multi-billion isk ship alive. Personally, I do not run incursions for isk, hence the reason I run, the hardest site, with the most people, to have the most fun. The isk for me is a nice bonus. Usually, for people to experience this kind of bonding with players they would need to join their corporation/alliance follow rules, this is something incursions do not stress on people, it is totally up to the FC.
Yes incursions are high isk printing, yes they are making more money than some 0.0 activities. However, what most scublords do not seem to understand is, its not just join fleet > expect reward. It requires practise as well as a monumental amount of time and patience to FC them, I can FC them because I have the time and patience, and I have much more fun than VGs anyway, VGs are full of egotistical maniacs. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled. |

Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:43:00 -
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"Oh iskursions are not easy, they take some much effort and skill"
*hopes my ridiculous bearincome doesn't get blasted to piece* |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
473
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:44:00 -
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So you mean, the thread title should have been:
" Nerf HIGHSEC Incursion rewards "
...right ? http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |

Pinaculus
The High and Mighty
58
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:46:00 -
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So, people go to high-sec to earn cash in relative peace then blow it on PLEX and PVP ships that get one-way tickets to Pretty Explosion Heaven.
Incursion fleet's happy. PVPer is happy. Manufacturer of PVP ships is happy. Daytrader of PVP ships and PLEX is happy. Guy that spends RL money on PLEX is happy. Only people that aren't happy are people that wanted to gank PVE fit ships.
What's the problem? Lots of people only feel comfortable PVPing if they can easily replace their losses. If ISK is hard as hell to earn then people just stop PVPing, or stop playing altogether.
Seriously, what is the problem here? I'm not being sarcastic. I'm genuinely curious. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |

Pavel Bidermann
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
16
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:51:00 -
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there is no problem. Some people in null sec just want to be spoon fed. Next they'll be demanding EVE use neurological controls because reaching for their mouse is much too hard and some people in high sec are using 2 monitors while the poor null sec carebears only have one. |

Pinaculus
The High and Mighty
58
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:03:00 -
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insert snarky comment about null-botting here I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |

J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:08:00 -
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I sense a lot of jealousy in the OP. You don't have a toy like the other kids do, so the teacher must take it away from everyone to make you happy! |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
512

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Posted - 2011.12.03 11:21:00 -
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Moved from "EVE General Discussion".
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Schnoo
The Schnoo
18
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Posted - 2011.12.03 11:43:00 -
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Some have mentioned it, but still, it's about balancing rewards. 1) In general, a high sec incursion should pay 50% or less than a low sec incursion. This is to justify two things: a) People will bring extremely expensive (sometimes even multiple billion) ships into a high sec incursion, knowing full well there is no risk. Thus, they will by default be 10-20% more efficient (i'm just making up numbers here) than their low sec counterparts. b) There is that small risk of actually be engaged in pvp in a low sec incursion, I haven't myself gone to any of those so I wouldn't know.
2) Incursion sites themselves should be balanced better. In particular, it is said that certain VG sites (mostly NCOs) are done too fast with very little risk, and those sites need a change. NCOs need to be nerfed while NMCs and OTAs buffed relatively to each other. On the other hand they might all get nerfed in relation to larger sites. |

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
186
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Posted - 2011.12.03 15:57:00 -
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Morganta wrote: go trade in your commodore 64 and buy a real computer so you can generate an avatar.
because nobody listens to the complaints of someone who cant even be arsed to make a portrait
I would, but obviously you are a master of creativity even with your color blindness. ****, I think even a blind dog could get eye cancer looking at your face. |
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