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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2006.10.04 21:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Benco97
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
All previous answers are propaganda and lies.
The stargates were all built by one man.
His name is ... MacGuyver.
No no no!
I've already told everyone, I built them all in a frigate with a Jumpgate launcher. A specially modified STAR Burst (modified so as to have a launcher)
If you see me flying around in my Burst don't shoot me as it will no doubt result in gates closing down across the EVE universe, how can I maintain them without my ship?
Well ill take over your task of gate control...pf-346 lockdown in 3,2,1 
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BustyBounty
Caldari
Vengeance of the Fallen
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.04 21:47:00 -
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the ancients did 
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.04 21:48:00 -
[33]
Originally by: BustyBounty
the ancients did
before the plague that wiped out most of them and caused the rest to ascend?
 
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Aadi Mathais
Minmatar
Keepers of the Holy Bagel
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Posted - 2006.10.04 23:00:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Benco97
Me, I made them. Highslot module, jumpgate launcher.
Do I ever get any thanks? no way.
You should have launched for self.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.04 23:46:00 -
[35]
Originally by: TheMoog
Maybe they are all binary with a black hole 
A black hole would destroy most solar systems.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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evistin
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.04 23:49:00 -
[36]
Give me a micro singularity and all will be fine.
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Ma'lice
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.05 00:54:00 -
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I just read the fiction.
I find it all well written, with the exception of the two typos that are obviously the cause of your misunderstanding.
Which two typos might those be, you ask?
The two instances of the word 'sun' should be replaced with the word 'star'.
You clearly must have been bored when reading it *cough*and didn't pay attention*cough*. Like in your physics class.
Which would probably explain why you feel you can travel <.5Au from any star in any system and another star will magically appear in front of you.
A jumpgate is place on a node of a gravitational harmonic resonant wave between two stars. So next time try starting at the gate and moving directly away from the visible star. Just a thought. I'm thinking you need to lay off the acid.
1) There is nothing in the Fiction indicating a jump gate can't function in an Astrometric Binary solar system. (read it again)
2) You clearly need a refresh in physics if you think "...no star large enough to not be sucked into the main solar body could possibly be invisible."
2.a) A star being sucked into another star is not the definition of a stable binary solar system.
2.b) Not all stars are visible in the Visible light spectrum. Or is it that you have a bionic eye?
Actually I'm bored so I just leave it alone. Hell you already know it all right?
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.05 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: Locke DieDrake on 05/10/2006 01:40:19
Originally by: Ma'lice
I just read the fiction.
I find it all well written, with the exception of the two typos that are obviously the cause of your misunderstanding.
Which two typos might those be, you ask?
The two instances of the word 'sun' should be replaced with the word 'star'.
Quibling over symantics now?
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You clearly must have been bored when reading it *cough*and didn't pay attention*cough*. Like in your physics class.
Yes yes. Whatever you say.
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Which would probably explain why you feel you can travel <.5Au from any star in any system and another star will magically appear in front of you.
Presuming, A) that the system were a binary, and B) that I didn't die instantly from radiation. Then yes, if there are two suns, and I fly to one of them, I think it's reasonable that I would be able to see the other one. I'm not exactly sure why you can't understand that.
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A jumpgate is place on a node of a gravitational harmonic resonant wave between two stars. So next time try starting at the gate and moving directly away from the visible star. Just a thought. I'm thinking you need to lay off the acid.
So now you want us to believe that a binary solar system can consist of one star in the middle and another several hundred AU outside the solar system itself? That isn't a binary star. It's two seperate star systems. I'm not on acid. If I were, the text in front of you would look like this f aP=Y+Pƒ¢ íóúñѪº¿¬a¦+. However I think I finally figured out what you are talking about. You seem to think a binary star system includes any two nearby stars. The problem here is that you misunderstand "nearby". In a binary solar system, both the stars are in the center of the system. A solar system in which only one star is resting in the middle of the system means it's NOT A BINARY STAR SYSTEM.
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1) There is nothing in the Fiction indicating a jump gate can't function in an Astrometric Binary solar system. (read it again)
I didn't say there was. Only that you don't understand what a astrometric binary actually is. And that if you did understand it, you'd realise that based on the fiction, it would be UNLIKELY to function.
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2) You clearly need a refresh in physics if you think "...no star large enough to not be sucked into the main solar body could possibly be invisible."
Ah, well, my physicis education or lack of aside, what is the minimum orbital body size in referance to a Sol type star? Do you think that something of that size can be "invisible"?
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2.a) A star being sucked into another star is not the definition of a stable binary solar system.
Clearly. Hurray, you finally got a point... except I never said or implyed it was.
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2.b) Not all stars are visible in the Visible light spectrum. Or is it that you have a bionic eye?
You think there are invisible stars? Even granting there is a star that doesn't produce visible light, the object, the star itself is still VISIBLE. Or have you completely lost your mind?
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Actually I'm bored so I just leave it alone. Hell you already know it all right?
Yes well, my mommy told me never to argue with a fool, the onlookers can't tell the differance. I obviously don't listen to my mom very often.
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Red Ochre
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Posted - 2006.10.05 03:05:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Originally by: Tarish Montrey
By fixing the Prime Fiction are we rewriting History to fit our needs of the current time in EVE. Does Prime fiction have to be true to be who we are. Could the Prime fiction be correct and what we see in EVE is not actually what we think it is.
How do we know if what we are doing in EVE is not actually taking place in another place but with our minds attached thru a client.
How many people have you killed?
First, stop taking acid. When you come down, then post.
Second, the fiction states clearly that gates can only be built in systems with binary suns. NO SYSTEM IN EVE IS A BINARY.
This is a direct violation of prime fiction. There is nothing to discuss.
For whatever reason, when the solar systems were mapped out, they just didn't make them binary. And they also didn't change the fiction to match the reality. (wow, fiction, reality, what do those words even mean here? Damn it, I've been bitten by the exostential bug)
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Ma'lice
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.05 05:37:00 -
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OK. I'm gonna give you a brief refresh on Binary System Theory. Since you clearly do not remember or just never had a clue to begin with.
A binary system consists of two stars gravitationally bound orbiting a common center of mass. The stars can be of the same class or diferring classes, the same size or differing sizes and orbit durations can be as short as sevaral days or as long as millennia. Binary systems with a short orbiting duration would be easy to detect if you were to fly out <.5Au and look down , while binary systems with a longer orbiting duration would be very difficult to detect if you were to fly out <.5Au and look down and for that matter some would be probably impossible to detect because of the very long observation period required.
Now while a binary system consists of two stars the combination of stars can include such as a black dwarf, nuetron star or even a relatively small black hole, binary systems such as these for example will be very hard detect especially if you are trying to visibly see the companion star, without accurate and lengthy analysis.
But if you've got the time, another way to determine whether you are in a binary system rather than flying out <.5Au from a star and looking down is to see if the Sun is curving through space. That means observing a gradual ôchanging orientation to inertial space.ö
To further elaborate at this point would mean my having to refresh you on precession theory.
Now just as a treat, this Pic will show you what a binary system will look like. So happy hunting. I mean Observing.
And yes any thing that does not emit light in the visible spectrum can not be detected by your nekkid little eye. Therefore, it is invisible to you, regardless of it's size
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.10.05 05:55:00 -
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Edited by: Phoenix Lonestar on 05/10/2006 05:56:11
Most of the dribble that you copy/pasted from Wikipedia is talking about observation from the Earth (you just added the bit about "from .5 au" in there to reinforce your own perspective.. talk about cherry picking intelligence). In game, we are not on Earth. We are in little space ships. Space ships that fly in space... which means we have an infinite number of viewpoints in any given solar system. Now, correct me if I'm wrong... but a star is the center of a solar system... which is to say that if there is a binary system, then the "star" in the middle is in fact, comprised of two stars... in the middle. If it was two separate stars, they'd be two solar systems, and not a binary system... right? I mean... by simple definition.
As for who made the Stargates.... I believe it was discussed that the stargates existed even before the Ancients... either pre-virus or post-ascension. I subscribe to the MacGuyver theory. Before the stargates there was bubble gum, lint, and a pocket watch... MacGuyver used these three marvels of technology to link hundreds of systems, and then reproduced prodigiously... though not with females... he just divided over and over and over again... which isn't to say he didn't bang every remotely attractive female species in the universe (which he did) but they were unsuitable for the purposes of offspring bearing, since MacGuyver felt that their half of the DNA would be corrupted from his pure form.
(how's that for prime fic?)
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Ma'lice
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.05 06:19:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Phoenix Lonestar
Edited by: Phoenix Lonestar on 05/10/2006 05:56:11
Most of the dribble that you copy/pasted from Wikipedia is talking about observation from the Earth (you just added the bit about "from .5 au" in there to reinforce your own perspective.. talk about cherry picking intelligence). In game, we are not on Earth. We are in little space ships. Space ships that fly in space... which means we have an infinite number of viewpoints in any given solar system. Now, correct me if I'm wrong... but a star is the center of a solar system... which is to say that if there is a binary system, then the "star" in the middle is in fact, comprised of two stars... in the middle. If it was two separate stars, they'd be two solar systems, and not a binary system... right? I mean... by simple definition.
First off Galileo, it won't matter if you are on earth or simply in a spaceship.
So before you decide to ramble off with additional nonsensical gibberish familiarize yourself with special relativity.
Now you've read what I wrote, and here is your Wikipedia stuf on Binary Star and Binary System
Copy/paste? Your clearly do not have a clue either my friend and will do good with "I subscribe to the MacGuyver theory."
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.10.05 06:49:00 -
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If you're on earth, then you're observing things hundreds of thousands/millions of light years away, which would make small changes very difficult to observe. If you're 3 feet away from a frackin' star, it'd probably be much easier to notice if there were two stars in the same frackin' solar system... since there's virtually NO chance of occlusion.
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Krexus
Amarr
Reunited
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Posted - 2006.10.05 07:44:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Benco97
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
All previous answers are propaganda and lies.
The stargates were all built by one man.
His name is ... MacGuyver.
No no no!
I've already told everyone, I built them all in a frigate with a Jumpgate launcher. A specially modified STAR Burst (modified so as to have a launcher)
If you see me flying around in my Burst don't shoot me as it will no doubt result in gates closing down across the EVE universe, how can I maintain them without my ship?
So if you built the damn things.... the lag and waits for a jump is your responsibility. Fix...now...
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Hori To
Minmatar
Rifter Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.05 09:32:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Ma'lice
And yes any thing that does not emit light in the visible spectrum can not be detected by your nekkid little eye. Therefore, it is invisible to you, regardless of it's size
an object not emitting visible light would be "black", no? And thus visible.
The answer is simple, like in the fiction, our camera drones and scanners are rigged. We can't see it coz they don't want us too.
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Benco97
Gallente
Fedo Appreciation Group
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Posted - 2006.10.05 09:47:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Krexus
So if you built the damn things.... the lag and waits for a jump is your responsibility. Fix...now...
Yeah.. sorry about that, the office thought waiting to jump would be funny..
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Taaketa Frist
The Praxis Initiative
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.05 09:52:00 -
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Wikipedia saves the day!
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KIATolon
Black Omega Security
The OSS
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Posted - 2006.10.05 10:08:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Ma'lice
And yes any thing that does not emit light in the visible spectrum can not be detected by your nekkid little eye. Therefore, it is invisible to you, regardless of it's size
not true
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.05 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ma'lice
some more totally baseless assertions.
Yes, I've figured out your ****ck by now.
The flaw in your arguement is that you are basing your points of off earth based astrometric and astronomical observation. These do NOT apply when you are capable of traveling to the system in question. And any astronomer would tell you so.
And for someone that would like me to refresh my reading on special relativity, you don't seem to understand frames of referance at all.
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And yes any thing that does not emit light in the visible spectrum can not be detected by your nekkid little eye. Therefore, it is invisible to you, regardless of it's size
Lets examine a few common objects found in space that emit no visible light. Asteroids. Planets. Moons. Essentially EVERYTHING except Stars. Unfortunately for you, these things are all perfectly visible.
I think you may want to consider your postion carefully. You are in danger of looking like a fool.
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