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evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.04 14:14:00 - [1] Curious question about the fluff. To make a gate you need to send it via sub-light travel to a new system. This was also a costly and expensive affair. Now empire they put their gates up and build Empire, but who builded the 0.0 gates? the 4 races? why would you place twice as many gates in 0.0 when you do not intend to use them. If they are left overs from the Earth Days, why do they look like the gates the various races uses. ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide
Rutoo Gallente Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.04 14:15:00 - [2] Theres a Story on it somewhere i'll see if i can bring it up _________________________________________________________ My First EvE Video Club Seals Not Sandwichs
Rina Shanu Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.10.04 14:18:00 - [3] The empires did. They have explored the space arround them in search for knowledge as it is normal to do. They colonised and secured as much as they could but that does not mean they did not try to expand further and while trying to expand further they put the gates in place. Simple. what has 4 legs and 1 hand? a happy pitbull
Rutoo Gallente Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.04 14:19:00 - [4] http://www.eve-online.com/background/jump/ http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/sep03.asp _________________________________________________________ My First EvE Video Club Seals Not Sandwichs
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.04 14:21:00 - [5] thanks ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide
Lujayne	Posted - 2006.10.04 14:25:00 - [6] The Minmatar built alot of them with the help of the Gallente to help them rebel against the Amarr Others built some as well as all the 0.0 stations(not outposts) heres the short story that explains it all Linkage
sorilin Amarr Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 16:00:00 - [7] The Jovians are not very forthcoming with information about their technological advances in this regard. Today they employ jump gates functioning on the same principle as the otherÆs, but nothing is known on where or when the Jovians acquired their jump gate technology. However, theyÆve revealed an interesting fact: according to ancient Jovian legends, the Jovians used the ancient jump gates that scatter the world to travel between solar systems a long time ago, before the jump gates crumbled. The legends stay silent about the makers of the gates. i wonder if there is such gates.. acording to this there should be.. also jovians need em soo..... hmmm... I am the borg!
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.04 16:07:00 - [8] Originally by: sorilin The Jovians are not very forthcoming with information about their technological advances in this regard. Today they employ jump gates functioning on the same principle as the otherÆs, but nothing is known on where or when the Jovians acquired their jump gate technology. However, theyÆve revealed an interesting fact: according to ancient Jovian legends, the Jovians used the ancient jump gates that scatter the world to travel between solar systems a long time ago, before the jump gates crumbled. The legends stay silent about the makers of the gates. i wonder if there is such gates.. acording to this there should be.. also jovians need em soo..... hmmm... I'm hoping that with exploration, CCP takes the opertunity to introduce smuggler gates and smuggler stations. But thats just wishful thinking at this point. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Flax Volcanus Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability	Posted - 2006.10.04 16:12:00 - [9] Quote: There are several strict limitations on jump gate travel. First of all, jump gates can only be constructed in systems with two or more suns, because of the resonance nodes. This effectively makes one in every three systems ineligible for jump gate construction. I always thought this was interesting, as I have yet to visit a binary system in EVE.
Druid R Murder of Crows Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.10.04 16:22:00 - [10] maybe building the gate sucks up the second star, hehe, if u read all the stories there are a few errors, but hey the game is what matters for me
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.04 16:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Flax Volcanus Quote: There are several strict limitations on jump gate travel. First of all, jump gates can only be constructed in systems with two or more suns, because of the resonance nodes. This effectively makes one in every three systems ineligible for jump gate construction. I always thought this was interesting, as I have yet to visit a binary system in EVE. Yeah, I find that annoying. The prime fiction should be altered to fit the game, its silly that three years after launch, there is a blantantly false piece of prime fiction. Either that, or make all the solar systems in eve binary. Seems like it would be easier to change the fiction though. The best part is... resonance nodes could be likened to Lg points IRL. The spot between any two gravitational boddies where the gravity of each object is canceled out by the other. Essentialy, the point of effective 0 gravity between earth and sun. (obviously, that point is going to be closer to the earth than the sun because of the disparity in size) But the gates aren't placed with these things in mind. So most gates are actually on the outer boarders of solar systems. Which is against the prime fiction also. Silly really. OH, and the fiction also says that gates go offline sometimes, and that they can take months to come back online. And that only one gate in any system can be used at the same time. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2006.10.04 16:37:00 - [12] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Flax Volcanus Quote: There are several strict limitations on jump gate travel. First of all, jump gates can only be constructed in systems with two or more suns, because of the resonance nodes. This effectively makes one in every three systems ineligible for jump gate construction. I always thought this was interesting, as I have yet to visit a binary system in EVE. Yeah, I find that annoying. The prime fiction should be altered to fit the game, its silly that three years after launch, there is a blantantly false piece of prime fiction. Either that, or make all the solar systems in eve binary. Seems like it would be easier to change the fiction though. The best part is... resonance nodes could be likened to Lg points IRL. The spot between any two gravitational boddies where the gravity of each object is canceled out by the other. Essentialy, the point of effective 0 gravity between earth and sun. (obviously, that point is going to be closer to the earth than the sun because of the disparity in size) But the gates aren't placed with these things in mind. So most gates are actually on the outer boarders of solar systems. Which is against the prime fiction also. Silly really. OH, and the fiction also says that gates go offline sometimes, and that they can take months to come back online. And that only one gate in any system can be used at the same time. The prime fiction is woefully abused, even by non-RP standards. You have a lot of background information like this that was written before the game was completed (and hence is not correct since technical/balance aspects changed the initial design) and then you have pieces of fiction that flat-out haven't been completed (such as the Gallente election). Although I'd rather see CCP fixing the game before something much more trivial like the fiction, surely they're large enough at this point that they could assign a content guy to at least fix the existing prime fiction after Kali comes out. Certainly if they want factional warfare, which needs prime fiction to help explain it since a big part of it is related to RPing, then the prime fiction needs fixed. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Tarish Montrey	Posted - 2006.10.04 16:43:00 - [13] By fixing the Prime Fiction are we rewriting History to fit our needs of the current time in EVE. Does Prime fiction have to be true to be who we are. Could the Prime fiction be correct and what we see in EVE is not actually what we think it is. How do we know if what we are doing in EVE is not actually taking place in another place but with our minds attached thru a client. How many people have you killed?
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Tarish Montrey By fixing the Prime Fiction are we rewriting History to fit our needs of the current time in EVE. Does Prime fiction have to be true to be who we are. Could the Prime fiction be correct and what we see in EVE is not actually what we think it is. How do we know if what we are doing in EVE is not actually taking place in another place but with our minds attached thru a client. How many people have you killed? First, stop taking acid. When you come down, then post. Second, the fiction states clearly that gates can only be built in systems with binary suns. NO SYSTEM IN EVE IS A BINARY. This is a direct violation of prime fiction. There is nothing to discuss. For whatever reason, when the solar systems were mapped out, they just didn't make them binary. And they also didn't change the fiction to match the reality. (wow, fiction, reality, what do those words even mean here? Damn it, I've been bitten by the exostential bug) ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Benco97 Gallente Fedo Appreciation Group	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:04:00 - [15] Me, I made them. Highslot module, jumpgate launcher. Do I ever get any thanks? no way. Head of the Fedo Appreciation Group (FAG) and Registered Fedo breeder (Sig kindly supplied by Zurtur)
Jon Frimann Minmatar Ordo Custodes	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:17:00 - [16] Binary suns in Eve would be cool. I also want to see red giants, white stars, supernovas etc.. Not just the simple types of solar system they have now. I am going to awoid blackholes, for obivus reasons. Do I need to write this..?
Ma'lice Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:24:00 - [17] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Flax Volcanus Quote: There are several strict limitations on jump gate travel. First of all, jump gates can only be constructed in systems with two or more suns, because of the resonance nodes. This effectively makes one in every three systems ineligible for jump gate construction. I always thought this was interesting, as I have yet to visit a binary system in EVE. Yeah, I find that annoying. The prime fiction should be altered to fit the game, its silly that three years after launch, there is a blantantly false piece of prime fiction. Either that, or make all the solar systems in eve binary. And what exactly are you looking for Visual Binaries or Spectroscopic Binaries? Maybe you sat around watching the stars in each system to see if it were an Eclipsing Binary. In any matter let's assume they are all Astrometric Binaries systems and get over it. ___________________________________________________ Originally by: Infinity Ziona And I'll whine all I like, I pay to use this forum, and I will use it. At least until you need to gang up to post here.
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:38:00 - [18] The real question is: Who built the stargates in the 8 new regions?
Victor Valka Caldari Terra Incognita	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:48:00 - [19] Some gates were built by Sansha, I believe. I could be wrong but I think I read it here.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:56:00 - [20] I have a very good question that I'd love to see LeMonde or one of those other content types answer: Who built the jumpgates for the 8 new regions, and why are they just now going to become usable? If they're being 'built' currently, wouldn't there be news all over the place? I don't believe for even a second that hundreds of jumpgates wouldn't be noticable in a game where you have the ability to know how many pilots are in space in a system on the other side of the cluster. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile. Originally by: Oveur last 30 days had 2358 accounts banned.
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:27:00 - [21] Edited by: Locke DieDrake on 04/10/2006 18:28:00 Originally by: Ma'lice Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Flax Volcanus Quote: There are several strict limitations on jump gate travel. First of all, jump gates can only be constructed in systems with two or more suns, because of the resonance nodes. This effectively makes one in every three systems ineligible for jump gate construction. I always thought this was interesting, as I have yet to visit a binary system in EVE. Yeah, I find that annoying. The prime fiction should be altered to fit the game, its silly that three years after launch, there is a blantantly false piece of prime fiction. Either that, or make all the solar systems in eve binary. And what exactly are you looking for Visual Binaries or Spectroscopic Binaries? Maybe you sat around watching the stars in each system to see if it were an Eclipsing Binary. In any matter let's assume they are all Astrometric Binaries systems and get over it. Thats cute, first year astronomy student? These definitions are based on observation from EARTH. Not within the system. An astrometric binary as seen from earth would have a companion not visible. But we aren't on earth. I can fly to less than half an AU from a star in any system in EVE, and let me tell you, there are no binaries. Which would be visible from that range. Ask your professor. Say "if we sent a probe to a astrometric binary, would we be able to see the companion from a nearby perspective?" The answer is simple common sense. Even a giant star with a dwarf companion would be visually acute from nearby planets and orbit. In addition, the fiction specificly states that the binaries must be of a certain order or higher, meaning the chances of an astrometric binary having a sufficiently strong resonance are nill. Which eliminates your point entirely. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Gaogan Gallente Solar Storm Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:47:00 - [22] I always took the backstory as simply being poorly worded. I thought what it really meant by binary system is simply a pair of stars ( from different solar systems ) and the gates were built on the nodal points between them. The further the stars are from each other the higher order the node has to be, which means the gate has to be further from the sun. As for who built the gates, the backstory clearly states that they were created long ago by the first settlers of new eden before falling into chaos and later being reborn as the modern 4 empires. I still would like to see some actual binary or trinary star systems in the game. And player constructable/destructable gates.
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:49:00 - [23] It would be an interesting idea to let players explore new star systems with jumpdrive equipped scout ships (using costly fuel for a short jump and a failure rate causing painfull death)...then deploying a beacon in the new star system, allowing a construction ship to jump (again with costly fuel) to jump over to the new system, beginning the construction of a new jumpgate... Speaking of which...additional gates (smuggler gates, alliance gates) constructed in a similiar way also creating new jump connections....would be quite interesting (gates requiring a lot of costly fuel there)
TheMoog Caldari 3240 Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.04 19:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Edited by: Locke DieDrake on 04/10/2006 18:28:00 Originally by: Ma'lice Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Flax Volcanus Quote: There are several strict limitations on jump gate travel. First of all, jump gates can only be constructed in systems with two or more suns, because of the resonance nodes. This effectively makes one in every three systems ineligible for jump gate construction. I always thought this was interesting, as I have yet to visit a binary system in EVE. Yeah, I find that annoying. The prime fiction should be altered to fit the game, its silly that three years after launch, there is a blantantly false piece of prime fiction. Either that, or make all the solar systems in eve binary. And what exactly are you looking for Visual Binaries or Spectroscopic Binaries? Maybe you sat around watching the stars in each system to see if it were an Eclipsing Binary. In any matter let's assume they are all Astrometric Binaries systems and get over it. Thats cute, first year astronomy student? These definitions are based on observation from EARTH. Not within the system. An astrometric binary as seen from earth would have a companion not visible. But we aren't on earth. I can fly to less than half an AU from a star in any system in EVE, and let me tell you, there are no binaries. Which would be visible from that range. Ask your professor. Say "if we sent a probe to a astrometric binary, would we be able to see the companion from a nearby perspective?" The answer is simple common sense. Even a giant star with a dwarf companion would be visually acute from nearby planets and orbit. In addition, the fiction specificly states that the binaries must be of a certain order or higher, meaning the chances of an astrometric binary having a sufficiently strong resonance are nill. Which eliminates your point entirely. Maybe they are all binary with a black hole
Ma'lice Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.04 20:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Edited by: Locke DieDrake on 04/10/2006 18:28:00 Originally by: Ma'lice Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Flax Volcanus Quote: There are several strict limitations on jump gate travel. First of all, jump gates can only be constructed in systems with two or more suns, because of the resonance nodes. This effectively makes one in every three systems ineligible for jump gate construction. I always thought this was interesting, as I have yet to visit a binary system in EVE. Yeah, I find that annoying. The prime fiction should be altered to fit the game, its silly that three years after launch, there is a blantantly false piece of prime fiction. Either that, or make all the solar systems in eve binary. And what exactly are you looking for Visual Binaries or Spectroscopic Binaries? Maybe you sat around watching the stars in each system to see if it were an Eclipsing Binary. In any matter let's assume they are all Astrometric Binaries systems and get over it. Thats cute, first year astronomy student? Quote: These definitions are based on observation from EARTH. Not within the system. An astrometric binary as seen from earth would have a companion not visible. But we aren't on earth. Quote: I can fly to less than half an AU from a star in any system in EVE, and let me tell you, there are no binaries. Which would be visible from that range. Again what are you looking for? Quote: rabble... Quote: In addition, the fiction specificly states that the binaries must be of a certain order or higher, meaning the chances of an astrometric binary having a sufficiently strong resonance are nill. Which eliminates your point entirely. Granted I've never read the fiction of this game. How specific is the "...order or higher..." That's cute, a 'know it all' that doesn't know, or atleast doesn't understand. Ok. SO you're not on EARTH. Well I am. So let's start here. fic‧tion /ˈfɪkʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fik-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation ûnoun 1.the class of literature comprising works of imaginative narration, esp. in prose form. 2.works of this class, as novels or short stories: detective fiction. 3.something feigned, invented, or imagined; a made-up story: We've all heard the fiction of her being in delicate health. 4.the act of feigning, inventing, or imagining. 5.an imaginary thing or event, postulated for the purposes of argument or explanation. 6.Law. an allegation that a fact exists that is known not to exist, made by authority of law to bring a case within the operation of a rule of law. Now let's move on to the Astrophysics we, you and I, know and understand (from EARTH) and begin the discussion firstly on methods of observation and secondly on limitations of observation. Afterwards, we can sit and discuss what is FACT and what is THEORY. ___________________________________________________ Originally by: Infinity Ziona And I'll whine all I like, I pay to use this forum, and I will use it. At least until you need to gang up to post here.
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.04 21:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Ma'lice That's cute, a 'know it all' that doesn't know, or atleast doesn't understand. Ok. SO you're not on EARTH. Well I am. So let's start here. fic‧tion /ˈfɪkʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fik-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation ûnoun 1.the class of literature comprising works of imaginative narration, esp. in prose form. 2.works of this class, as novels or short stories: detective fiction. 3.something feigned, invented, or imagined; a made-up story: We've all heard the fiction of her being in delicate health. 4.the act of feigning, inventing, or imagining. 5.an imaginary thing or event, postulated for the purposes of argument or explanation. 6.Law. an allegation that a fact exists that is known not to exist, made by authority of law to bring a case within the operation of a rule of law. Now let's move on to the Astrophysics we, you and I, know and understand (from EARTH) and begin the discussion firstly on methods of observation and secondly on limitations of observation. Afterwards, we can sit and discuss what is FACT and what is THEORY. I'm bored, so what the hell. You have asked "what are you looking for?" Isn't it apparent yet that I'm looking for a binary star? You know, two stars in the bounds of one solar system. What part of that don't you understand? I realise that the FICTION that this discussion is based on is in fact FICTION. So why define it? Do you think it means something other than it's traditional meaning? Or do you think I think that? And I realise that the astronomy terminology you used is not fiction. Are we clear there? So, now. When I fly my ship, to a star, and look down... I see a single star. No orbital objects in view (excpet planets much farther away). This is what we like to call a star. A single star. Do you take issue with that? If not, then WTF are you on about? If yes, why? If yes, please consider that from my observational position, no star large enough to not be sucked into the main solar body could possibly be invisible. This is not fiction, this is physics. You should be taking a class in that too. Barring a singularity of course. But then, a singularity would have an even horizon. (can't have naked black holes) in which case it would be visible thru it's affect on nearby light sources. This is also, not fiction. So, the GAME FICTION says and I quote... Quote: originally posted in prime fiction authored by CCPThere are several strict limitations on jump gate travel. First of all, jump gates can only be constructed in systems with two or more suns, because of the resonance nodes. This effectively makes one in every three systems ineligible for jump gate construction.~~The distance between the two ends of the wormhole depends on the mass of the suns in the binary system and on what resonance node the jump gate is located. image Which means that not only does it have to be a STABLE binary. It has to have a binary where both stars are of sufficient size. This size is not specified, but we can assume that a drawf star and a super giant star in a binary configuration is not going to work because the resonance node(s) would be very far outside the solar system itself. And therefore not usefull. Now, based on this fiction, we can then assume that any binary configuration that could be called an "astrometric binary" from earths perspective (perspective is very important here) would either A) not be usable for jump gates because of node resonance issues between large disparity gravitational bodies. or B) not apear to be a astrometric binary when viewed from a nearby perspective, due to the relative equal mass, equal visibility. THEREFORE : your original statement that we assume they are all astrometric binaries is deeply flawed within both reality and fiction. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.04 21:18:00 - [27] All previous answers are propaganda and lies. The stargates were all built by one man. His name is ... MacGuyver. _ The Billionaire Buccaneer (A Blog for the Bored)
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.04 21:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Devilish Ledoux All previous answers are propaganda and lies. The stargates were all built by one man. His name is ... MacGuyver. /me bows in reverance. All hail MacGuyver. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Benco97 Gallente Fedo Appreciation Group	Posted - 2006.10.04 21:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Devilish Ledoux All previous answers are propaganda and lies. The stargates were all built by one man. His name is ... MacGuyver. No no no! I've already told everyone, I built them all in a frigate with a Jumpgate launcher. A specially modified STAR Burst (modified so as to have a launcher) If you see me flying around in my Burst don't shoot me as it will no doubt result in gates closing down across the EVE universe, how can I maintain them without my ship? Head of the Fedo Appreciation Group (FAG) and Registered Fedo breeder (Sig kindly supplied by Zurtur)
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2006.10.04 21:41:00 - [30] Well I'll be damned, I guess CCP was listening today. New prime fiction, the Gallente Election gets a date, again. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2006.10.04 21:46:00 - [31] Originally by: Benco97 Originally by: Devilish Ledoux All previous answers are propaganda and lies. The stargates were all built by one man. His name is ... MacGuyver. No no no! I've already told everyone, I built them all in a frigate with a Jumpgate launcher. A specially modified STAR Burst (modified so as to have a launcher) If you see me flying around in my Burst don't shoot me as it will no doubt result in gates closing down across the EVE universe, how can I maintain them without my ship? Well ill take over your task of gate control...pf-346 lockdown in 3,2,1 _________________________________________________
BustyBounty Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 21:47:00 - [32] the ancients did ------------------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance I belong to.
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.04 21:48:00 - [33] Originally by: BustyBounty the ancients did before the plague that wiped out most of them and caused the rest to ascend? ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Aadi Mathais Minmatar Keepers of the Holy Bagel	Posted - 2006.10.04 23:00:00 - [34] Originally by: Benco97 Me, I made them. Highslot module, jumpgate launcher. Do I ever get any thanks? no way. You should have launched for self.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.04 23:46:00 - [35] Originally by: TheMoog Maybe they are all binary with a black hole A black hole would destroy most solar systems. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.04 23:49:00 - [36] Give me a micro singularity and all will be fine. ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide
Ma'lice Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 00:54:00 - [37] I just read the fiction. I find it all well written, with the exception of the two typos that are obviously the cause of your misunderstanding. Which two typos might those be, you ask? The two instances of the word 'sun' should be replaced with the word 'star'. You clearly must have been bored when reading it coughand didn't pay attentioncough. Like in your physics class. Which would probably explain why you feel you can travel <.5Au from any star in any system and another star will magically appear in front of you. A jumpgate is place on a node of a gravitational harmonic resonant wave between two stars. So next time try starting at the gate and moving directly away from the visible star. Just a thought. I'm thinking you need to lay off the acid. 1) There is nothing in the Fiction indicating a jump gate can't function in an Astrometric Binary solar system. (read it again) 2) You clearly need a refresh in physics if you think "...no star large enough to not be sucked into the main solar body could possibly be invisible." 2.a) A star being sucked into another star is not the definition of a stable binary solar system. 2.b) Not all stars are visible in the Visible light spectrum. Or is it that you have a bionic eye? Actually I'm bored so I just leave it alone. Hell you already know it all right? ___________________________________________________ Originally by: Infinity Ziona And I'll whine all I like, I pay to use this forum, and I will use it. At least until you need to gang up to post here.
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.05 01:39:00 - [38] Edited by: Locke DieDrake on 05/10/2006 01:40:19 Originally by: Ma'lice I just read the fiction. I find it all well written, with the exception of the two typos that are obviously the cause of your misunderstanding. Which two typos might those be, you ask? The two instances of the word 'sun' should be replaced with the word 'star'. Quibling over symantics now? Quote: You clearly must have been bored when reading it coughand didn't pay attentioncough. Like in your physics class. Yes yes. Whatever you say. Quote: Which would probably explain why you feel you can travel <.5Au from any star in any system and another star will magically appear in front of you. Presuming, A) that the system were a binary, and B) that I didn't die instantly from radiation. Then yes, if there are two suns, and I fly to one of them, I think it's reasonable that I would be able to see the other one. I'm not exactly sure why you can't understand that. Quote: A jumpgate is place on a node of a gravitational harmonic resonant wave between two stars. So next time try starting at the gate and moving directly away from the visible star. Just a thought. I'm thinking you need to lay off the acid. So now you want us to believe that a binary solar system can consist of one star in the middle and another several hundred AU outside the solar system itself? That isn't a binary star. It's two seperate star systems. I'm not on acid. If I were, the text in front of you would look like this f aP=Y+Pƒ¢ íóúñÑªº¿¬a¦+. However I think I finally figured out what you are talking about. You seem to think a binary star system includes any two nearby stars. The problem here is that you misunderstand "nearby". In a binary solar system, both the stars are in the center of the system. A solar system in which only one star is resting in the middle of the system means it's NOT A BINARY STAR SYSTEM. Quote: 1) There is nothing in the Fiction indicating a jump gate can't function in an Astrometric Binary solar system. (read it again) I didn't say there was. Only that you don't understand what a astrometric binary actually is. And that if you did understand it, you'd realise that based on the fiction, it would be UNLIKELY to function. Quote: 2) You clearly need a refresh in physics if you think "...no star large enough to not be sucked into the main solar body could possibly be invisible." Ah, well, my physicis education or lack of aside, what is the minimum orbital body size in referance to a Sol type star? Do you think that something of that size can be "invisible"? Quote: 2.a) A star being sucked into another star is not the definition of a stable binary solar system. Clearly. Hurray, you finally got a point... except I never said or implyed it was. Quote: 2.b) Not all stars are visible in the Visible light spectrum. Or is it that you have a bionic eye? You think there are invisible stars? Even granting there is a star that doesn't produce visible light, the object, the star itself is still VISIBLE. Or have you completely lost your mind? Quote: Actually I'm bored so I just leave it alone. Hell you already know it all right? Yes well, my mommy told me never to argue with a fool, the onlookers can't tell the differance. I obviously don't listen to my mom very often. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Red Ochre	Posted - 2006.10.05 03:05:00 - [39] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Tarish Montrey By fixing the Prime Fiction are we rewriting History to fit our needs of the current time in EVE. Does Prime fiction have to be true to be who we are. Could the Prime fiction be correct and what we see in EVE is not actually what we think it is. How do we know if what we are doing in EVE is not actually taking place in another place but with our minds attached thru a client. How many people have you killed? First, stop taking acid. When you come down, then post. Second, the fiction states clearly that gates can only be built in systems with binary suns. NO SYSTEM IN EVE IS A BINARY. This is a direct violation of prime fiction. There is nothing to discuss. For whatever reason, when the solar systems were mapped out, they just didn't make them binary. And they also didn't change the fiction to match the reality. (wow, fiction, reality, what do those words even mean here? Damn it, I've been bitten by the exostential bug) your right of course locke, history is written by the conquerers, blame HUD.
Ma'lice Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 05:37:00 - [40] OK. I'm gonna give you a brief refresh on Binary System Theory. Since you clearly do not remember or just never had a clue to begin with. A binary system consists of two stars gravitationally bound orbiting a common center of mass. The stars can be of the same class or diferring classes, the same size or differing sizes and orbit durations can be as short as sevaral days or as long as millennia. Binary systems with a short orbiting duration would be easy to detect if you were to fly out <.5Au and look down , while binary systems with a longer orbiting duration would be very difficult to detect if you were to fly out <.5Au and look down and for that matter some would be probably impossible to detect because of the very long observation period required. Now while a binary system consists of two stars the combination of stars can include such as a black dwarf, nuetron star or even a relatively small black hole, binary systems such as these for example will be very hard detect especially if you are trying to visibly see the companion star, without accurate and lengthy analysis. But if you've got the time, another way to determine whether you are in a binary system rather than flying out <.5Au from a star and looking down is to see if the Sun is curving through space. That means observing a gradual ôchanging orientation to inertial space.ö To further elaborate at this point would mean my having to refresh you on precession theory. Now just as a treat, this Pic will show you what a binary system will look like. So happy hunting. I mean Observing. And yes any thing that does not emit light in the visible spectrum can not be detected by your nekkid little eye. Therefore, it is invisible to you, regardless of it's size ___________________________________________________ Originally by: Infinity Ziona And I'll whine all I like, I pay to use this forum, and I will use it. At least until you need to gang up to post here.
Phoenix Lonestar Litanies of Hate	Posted - 2006.10.05 05:55:00 - [41] Edited by: Phoenix Lonestar on 05/10/2006 05:56:11 Most of the dribble that you copy/pasted from Wikipedia is talking about observation from the Earth (you just added the bit about "from .5 au" in there to reinforce your own perspective.. talk about cherry picking intelligence). In game, we are not on Earth. We are in little space ships. Space ships that fly in space... which means we have an infinite number of viewpoints in any given solar system. Now, correct me if I'm wrong... but a star is the center of a solar system... which is to say that if there is a binary system, then the "star" in the middle is in fact, comprised of two stars... in the middle. If it was two separate stars, they'd be two solar systems, and not a binary system... right? I mean... by simple definition. As for who made the Stargates.... I believe it was discussed that the stargates existed even before the Ancients... either pre-virus or post-ascension. I subscribe to the MacGuyver theory. Before the stargates there was bubble gum, lint, and a pocket watch... MacGuyver used these three marvels of technology to link hundreds of systems, and then reproduced prodigiously... though not with females... he just divided over and over and over again... which isn't to say he didn't bang every remotely attractive female species in the universe (which he did) but they were unsuitable for the purposes of offspring bearing, since MacGuyver felt that their half of the DNA would be corrupted from his pure form. (how's that for prime fic?)
Ma'lice Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 06:19:00 - [42] Originally by: Phoenix Lonestar Edited by: Phoenix Lonestar on 05/10/2006 05:56:11 Most of the dribble that you copy/pasted from Wikipedia is talking about observation from the Earth (you just added the bit about "from .5 au" in there to reinforce your own perspective.. talk about cherry picking intelligence). In game, we are not on Earth. We are in little space ships. Space ships that fly in space... which means we have an infinite number of viewpoints in any given solar system. Now, correct me if I'm wrong... but a star is the center of a solar system... which is to say that if there is a binary system, then the "star" in the middle is in fact, comprised of two stars... in the middle. If it was two separate stars, they'd be two solar systems, and not a binary system... right? I mean... by simple definition. First off Galileo, it won't matter if you are on earth or simply in a spaceship. So before you decide to ramble off with additional nonsensical gibberish familiarize yourself with special relativity. Now you've read what I wrote, and here is your Wikipedia stuf on Binary Star and Binary System Copy/paste? Your clearly do not have a clue either my friend and will do good with "I subscribe to the MacGuyver theory." ___________________________________________________ Originally by: Infinity Ziona And I'll whine all I like, I pay to use this forum, and I will use it. At least until you need to gang up to post here.
Phoenix Lonestar Litanies of Hate	Posted - 2006.10.05 06:49:00 - [43] If you're on earth, then you're observing things hundreds of thousands/millions of light years away, which would make small changes very difficult to observe. If you're 3 feet away from a frackin' star, it'd probably be much easier to notice if there were two stars in the same frackin' solar system... since there's virtually NO chance of occlusion. newb.
Krexus Amarr Reunited	Posted - 2006.10.05 07:44:00 - [44] Originally by: Benco97 Originally by: Devilish Ledoux All previous answers are propaganda and lies. The stargates were all built by one man. His name is ... MacGuyver. No no no! I've already told everyone, I built them all in a frigate with a Jumpgate launcher. A specially modified STAR Burst (modified so as to have a launcher) If you see me flying around in my Burst don't shoot me as it will no doubt result in gates closing down across the EVE universe, how can I maintain them without my ship? So if you built the damn things.... the lag and waits for a jump is your responsibility. Fix...now... --------- I reject your reality and substitute my own
Hori To Minmatar Rifter Corp	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:32:00 - [45] Originally by: Ma'lice And yes any thing that does not emit light in the visible spectrum can not be detected by your nekkid little eye. Therefore, it is invisible to you, regardless of it's size an object not emitting visible light would be "black", no? And thus visible. The answer is simple, like in the fiction, our camera drones and scanners are rigged. We can't see it coz they don't want us too.
Benco97 Gallente Fedo Appreciation Group	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:47:00 - [46] Originally by: Krexus So if you built the damn things.... the lag and waits for a jump is your responsibility. Fix...now... Yeah.. sorry about that, the office thought waiting to jump would be funny.. Head of the Fedo Appreciation Group (FAG) and Registered Fedo breeder (Sig kindly supplied by Zurtur)
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:52:00 - [47] Wikipedia saves the day! -------------- Dang nabit
KIATolon Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.05 10:08:00 - [48] Originally by: Ma'lice And yes any thing that does not emit light in the visible spectrum can not be detected by your nekkid little eye. Therefore, it is invisible to you, regardless of it's size not true
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.05 16:27:00 - [49] Originally by: Ma'lice some more totally baseless assertions. Yes, I've figured out your **ck by now. The flaw in your arguement is that you are basing your points of off earth based astrometric and astronomical observation. These do NOT apply when you are capable of traveling to the system in question. And any astronomer would tell you so. And for someone that would like me to refresh my reading on special relativity, you don't seem to understand frames of referance at all. Quote:** And yes any thing that does not emit light in the visible spectrum can not be detected by your nekkid little eye. Therefore, it is invisible to you, regardless of it's size Lets examine a few common objects found in space that emit no visible light. Asteroids. Planets. Moons. Essentially EVERYTHING except Stars. Unfortunately for you, these things are all perfectly visible. I think you may want to consider your postion carefully. You are in danger of looking like a fool. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________

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