Its of extreme irony that the Hydra Reloaded logo is seen as having "no artistic merit". Who's judging this? Hopefully not whomever came up with the ******** idea of painting camo (and keep updating it) on Spaceships. Has anyone seen any Space Jungles lately?

That truly serves no purpose and is immersion breaking. Because its all about immersion right? Eve Online roleplays as a SUPER SERIOUS game where everyone is a CUTTHROAT, in a corporate future of seriousness. The thing is corporations in Eve online really dont work like real corporations as much as they work as WoW guilds. And Eve Online is not a super serious game.

You can't allow goons be goony, redditors be derps and pubbies be pubs, just because they are large online communities who can threadnaught for a cause. Hydra Reloaded is also an online community, you don't get to discriminate against it just because its small.

Its won twice your alliance tournament (sup PL), its provided you with hours of Garmon/Suitonia/Duncant Tanner/etc famous elite PvP videos, which in many ways have more effort put into it than "DRAGON FLOT, BURN THEM DOWN", and stories like Joe Pubbies MOST LARGEST SCAM EVER OMG SO CUTTHROAT which I will add to this cause because he rolled with us when that happened (citation needed).

The least you can do for all the publicity and content Hydra Reloaded has given you, is allow the use of whatever as an alliance logo. Be glad, at least its not a goatse.

LIK DYS IF U CRY EVERYTIM

I feel like a piece of me is missing inside every day I log without being able to wear our great alliances banner with pride.

My heart cannot sink any further, please CCP accept the Hydra logo

yeah, I was behind you till I saw the logo

explain it all you want, but a crayon doodle don't cut it
there's a difference between having no artistic talent (as in the other example) and not trying like your logo

why not just submit dickbutt for a logo?

Goonswarm has a bee.. I demand that it be removed until there are bee related activities in EVE.

..an apiary in my CQ would be a good start.

yeah, I was behind you till I saw the logo

explain it all you want, but a crayon doodle don't cut it
there's a difference between having no artistic talent (as in the other example) and not trying like your logo

why not just submit dickbutt for a logo?

And in fact, I can't imagine a logo that more accurately represents the slobbering bunch of weirdos that make up Hydra Reloaded.

CCP won't approve the 3 year old's MSpaint scribble "logo" because it looks like ****... do they really need to spell it out for you?

Make a set of 5 logos that look decent, and submit each of them in turn until one comes back approved. You've been whining for 1.5 years about not getting that logo approved? Give me a break, you're just looking for a reason to whine.

50m that this is going to reach page 10 without gm response! Any takers?

BC rank for mechtech: 278,463

I'm not so sure why you are so eager for a GM response... All we have to do with alliance logo submission/decision/integration is... nothing, really (and at least in my case, for the better of it). At best, we forward according requests to the places where this decision is made.

However, this also gives me the nice opportunity to post here without saying anything about any logos from anyone (as it's not my field of expertise in the first place), and ruin your bets , albeit I haven't seen any takers, so I guess you are lucky.

For the blue and red arrows beside the thread of course! Although your post didn't give us a red arrow ((

It is a logo that will only appreciate in value over time, like any true masterpiece

Your logo doesn't look ****** enough for it to meet with the art director's tastes. Try some hideous cammo, gunmetal gray, or a blank square.

Only after its original artist and sponsor dies.

It took us a while to get good old Slappy the B%67 Bear accepted so maybe they'll relent. I'm not crazy about the Hydra Reloaded logo, but I recognize it, and support Hyrdra's right to an Identity that is chosen by its pilots and leadership. It's in no way offensive or even controversial IMO. Give it up CCP.

And just to troll you guys from being unable to laud be back with "I would like to see you do better"

here you go. 5 minute logo done in paint

Seriously? You scribble out something like that as a joke and then get all angst-ridden because CCP doesn't find it funny and turns it down. Amazing...

If Chribba can have a 1-man alliance logo, so should the rest of us.)

If Hydra Reloaded want this image for their official logo then that's the end of it. They should get it. The only stipulation on the image is that it should be appropriate for Eve Online and their proposed image is fine if a bit childish but it's not inappropriate.

It's clearly a thought out image and not a random squiggle as it seems at 1st glance.

About the space camo let me ask you this, when was the last time you eye balled a shot at the hostile target?

Most of the cameo patters look barrowed from the armies btw and if you looked at the current interation of the space cameo ships they're not that bad anymore as they used to be.

Regarding the logo subject, if you Hydra guys have put the same effort on actually designing it that you put on trying to defend that 3 year old child attempt that you call logo, you would have solved this issue years ago...

We put our time and effort into other things, like winning AT IX.

Touch+¬ .

You seem to be a very capable person. Why don-¦'t you try to make a logo to your alliance m8's ?

You have my warp core stabs


+1

At first glance, i thought Hydra's logo is ****... but then i saw dinosaur in jacket, some gypsy face... god, are they accepted alliance logos? Seriously?

Please remove them from the game. Or accept hydra's logo, too, it won't be worse after all.

The top five killers (final blows), where the victim was not in a capsule, rookie ship, shuttle or tech one frigate. The brackets show the total kills and the number of unique victims:
Marovinchian (5,463 / 1,265), DiamondDog (4,455 / 4,259), Loren Gallen (4,383 / 3,555), kerjin (4,373 / 2,994), Hera Darkthorn (4,055 / 3,531).

The same again, but for player corporations rather than individual characters:
Sniggerdly(43,712 / 32,037), Genos Occidere(43,154 / 30855), GoonWaffe (39,943 / 25,922), Fremen Sietch (39,405 / 27,820), North Eastern Swat (32,704 / 24,330).

how the hell has this got to 9 pages seriously? the logo is a joke now gtfo and stop wasting my time - enough said really
Hydra alliance was crap and so is reloaded.. enough said, even genos cant keep riding on the coatails of the past, where actually most of their kills came from piracy/camping anyway.. difficult much...not

Cmon CCP don't pull another Incarna, give us our logo.

even if this is a fat troll :D i actually dont see why won't they put this logo ingame.

Because it's crap, and an obvious troll? Just theorizing here.

While I agree with you in principle, your logo sucks and I wouldn't want it in my game either.

Maybe polish it up, submit a 'v2' that looks like a little more care went into it? I seriously doubt you're gonna win this one.. Sorry, but to be frank, culture and history aside, your logo is crap.

Yea, especially considering how we've been using the logo for a couple years now

For the 100th time inthis thread: calling our logo crap is just your subjective evaluation of it. Who are you to be able to evaluate our logo? What expertise in art evaluation do you have? In the end it is really just your opinion...

You may evaluate art based on it's complexity and how hard it seems to be to draw; however as we searched for a logo we were evaluating logos on different merits. Sufficed to say this logo 100% represents HYDRA RELOADED and your opinion based on your own subjective ideas on art are just that; your opinions.

You have no right or duty to tell us how to represent ourselves. Our logo is NOT CRAP. In terms of representing HYDRA RELOADED, it is perfect!

Like I said, I agree with you *in principle* however it is obvious to anyone outside your organization why it was rejected. Sorry it's 'your logo' but really, look at this objectively.

Just because me and all my friends love my banana yellow 1981 Ford Pinto with a **** spraypainted on the side because it 'describes us to a tee' and we've been driving it for 10 years does not mean car and driver is going to print in their 2011 list of 'most original car painjobs'..

To draw an analogy.. Anyways good luck on your crusade, but -1 absolutely I really don't want to see playskool artwork in alliance logos.

CCP is not entitled to reject logos like this (at least it is not offending).

The top five killers (final blows), where the victim was not in a capsule, rookie ship, shuttle or tech one frigate. The brackets show the total kills and the number of unique victims:
Marovinchian (5,463 / 1,265), DiamondDog (4,455 / 4,259), Loren Gallen (4,383 / 3,555), kerjin (4,373 / 2,994), Hera Darkthorn (4,055 / 3,531).

The same again, but for player corporations rather than individual characters:
Sniggerdly(43,712 / 32,037), Genos Occidere(43,154 / 30855), GoonWaffe (39,943 / 25,922), Fremen Sietch (39,405 / 27,820), North Eastern Swat (32,704 / 24,330).

I totally support this message
er cause
or whatever

Dear CCP,

You must allow them to use their Logo. Eve is based upon the system of free markets and honor and Hydra definitely has honor. Scamming is allowed but you won't allow good PvP'ers who have honor and are true to their word not have a logo of their choosing? Oh did we meantion they have won tournaments and are promoting Low and null sec fighting? And you, CCP, want to push more people here. So why not keep them happy with just a Logo, that is all it is (distrubing or not, it is the individuals choice to click it). +1 Logo

Best Regards CCP

Other Logos
We are not saying those logos are bad. We are wondering how our logo, which is steeped in five years of Eve history, is less immersed in the Eve universe then a man in a fedora, a bee, an electric shock with a sinister face, a dinosaur in a suit, a box of Chinese takeout, or an emoticon.

If you think the chinese takeout box is out of place, you should have seen our previous submission.. which was rejected for both phallic imagery and racism.

Just on the basis Laedy is in HR I say give HER ANYTHING SHE WANTS

http://i.imgur.com/dT9Rm.png

vs

http://e.dotlan.net/images/Alliance/1838908040_128.png

I don't think either fits EVE's story particularly well, yet the second is in as Cascade Imminent's [FAIL] alliance logo. And this couldn't have taken longer than 5 minutes either. The smiley is froma smiley pack, the fail stamp is also widely available. If CCP is that inconsistent with logos, lets Hydra have theirs. Not all logos can be Atlas or CVA like.

Quoted from FHC, a very good point:



Thanks for all the support so far!

Allice with fresh ideal deserve fresh logo.

I know the art department likes to have control over the creative vision for eve, but the game already has plenty of tongue in cheek logos. There's nothing offensive about this logo, it calls back to a previous alliance logo, and it's already better known in the eve community than 90% of the actual approved logos.

Come on CCP, approve the logo.

Yes!

TEST had our first alliance logo rejected. Why? Because it was as ****** as yours is.

http://www.evenews24.com/riverini/test_logo.jpg

The issue isn't that there's favouritism, the issue is CCP doesn't want to let ****** logos into their game.

im 100 percent on ccp's side here, ur logo is absolutely atrocious, it was made from the windows paint program, and you expect it to be in the same class as the other logos's in eve, sure goons have a bee but the bee isn't drawn by a 4 year old so go suck a d make a better logo

To those of you who are doubting the sincerity of the artwork held in the logo, please continue reading, I will try to address this issue.

Abstract art is open to interpretation, and that is one of the beautiful things about it. It allows the viewer to use her own imagination to find meaning in what might superficially lack it. To find patterns where there are none. To let go of overused stagnated ideas. There is no fixed right or wrong way to look at art or understand it, but you need to keep an open mind to do so.
This logo doesn't stand out and scream "this is what we're about", it leaves it open for the viewer to decide, to make up her own mind on what to become, in true spirit of a sandbox game. You can be anyone you want to be. It can be anything you want it to be. It is like clay to your mind.

Isaiah 64:8
"But now, O Lord, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand."


It is not as much about the subject as about the feeling it invokes.
When I look at the Hydra Reloaded logo, I know in my heart that it represents more, much more, than first meets the eye. The fluid deep strokes caress my mind and leaves me in a state of awe.

One viewer of this artwork once described it to me like so: "It is a child! A young boy playfully blowing on his pinwheel!"
This is what Hydra is about to that person, reinforcing that feeling of pristine happiness that so many "adults" seem to loose. To be able to realize dreams once long forgotten, ideas long lost. But this is only one person. You may find a different meaning. This is art.

Revelation 21:11
"Having the glory of God, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal"


I completely stand behind this wonderful piece of art, and believe it would be a fine addition to the current content of EVE Online, just as it already has been in the community for a long time.

your logo looks like meh nuts

It CCP way of saying, "thanks for ******* up are last Alliance tournament ... douchbags"

Find a few artists in your alliance, challenge them to come up with several concept designs of a logo that would suit your alliance, and then reward the person who designs the best logo in some way.

The logo which you are trying to submit looks as though it has essentially been made with Microsoft Paint, and it probably was.

Logos of other major alliances which you showed us all look very professional on the most part and are also pretty unique, such as the logo of Goonswarm Federation. Your logo on the other hand looks vastly unprofessional and certainly doesn't come across as unique.

Find a few artists in your alliance, challenge them to come up with several concept designs of a logo that would suit your alliance, and then reward the person who designs the best logo in some way.

The ships in EVE tend towards asymmetrical designs - people find them "odd" and "don't like them" - they want symmetry - sleek angles and shapes in use. bumpy, lumpy, out of easy pattern matching... That doesn't go over with many players because it doesn't sit easily on the eye. Yet CCP's original designs were purposefully "a bit off" with respect to ease of "human" pattern matching for the models. This is a bit farther afield but it also does have a sense of style to it.

Symmetry and the like is quite easy to reproduce with computer technologies. Simply patterns and filters to generate "pretty" logos and the like. Any moron can put a "stylish" logo together with ease using any free through high-end paint tool and scale it however they choose.

That one would take some time and be far more difficult to reproduce due to it's "hand drawn" style.

I may not like hydra's logo much but I do see it's value. It is "different" - very different from any other logo in the game. It does stand out.

Literally - who does it hurt and in what way?
- It's not obscene, it's just oddly "ugly"
- 2 years using it without recognition? That's tenacity if nothing else - all done in EVE.

A PvP group that's been around that long, with a logo they refuse to give up, no matter what others think of it... Yeah, I'd say with the small amount of effort that CCP has to invest... Why not give it to them?

Sounds like CCP is just trolling you guys, 'cause that sheep in the linked slideshow really makes it obvious.

Anyway, if you feel like 'negotiating' further with CCP's art department, perhaps you'll need to show a little willingness to compromise. Maybe.

DENIED!!!

i think it's a beautiful logo, and pity those who cannot grasp such avant garde imagery.

I'm not in HYDRA RELOADED and I think their logo is beautiful like a flower blooming in spring.

+1 for support.

Just tell CCP you are going to buy a lot of monocles

I support this!
+1

stuff

How has our logo not been accepted when the following exist in the game??

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Dark_Taboo

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Tactical_Narcotics_Team

How has our logo not been accepted when the following exist in the game??

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Dark_Taboo

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Tactical_Narcotics_Team

Because it's not done in MS Paint .

You just want to troll and I'm glad CCP rejected your logo!

it is quite easy to reproduce one of the logos my corpmate Suitonia linked.
in less than a minute.
In MS paint.

But what about it? Just like her creation, the tools of the artist should not be judged because of their simplicity, and this should not be the criterion for accepting/rejecting an alliance logo.

Because it's not done in MS Paint .

You just want to troll and I'm glad CCP rejected your logo!

Because they look good !!