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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.05 11:35:00 -
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i have come to relise the main issue with amarr and caldari is that they cant really tackle on thier own ( not just talking about the battleships here) but i have relised that the key to this game is teamwork... to use multiple race ships in combat rather than huge amarr blob squads or minmitar wolf packs... i think the key is in the recon ships... with all thier differnt abilitys.
some may think that thier 1v1 ship cant tackle or cant tank or has poor damage output... but in my eyes i think it comes down to playing in a team.
Sure you can play this game solo and do it all ( i suggest gallente for that) but to play it how i think it was intended is to do it together.
Is an example i think this is a good'n:
Recons
Falcon = ecm... disables all systems with chance.
Pilgrim = nos/drones... prevents the ship from using repair
Arazu = scrammer/ dampner... this helps along with ecm
Rapier = webber/ painter... This aids the falcons missiles
As you can see each of these ships works on their own element in combat while complimenting each other excellently.. all of which are the same class ship.
they can do all these things solo but they work far better as a group rather than having 4 Arazu's to nos ecm web and damage output.
This is also current in the Logistics ships with their own individual bonuses even though they have small elements of other ships of the same class.
I'm not sure how many people have concidered this in the game but i find alot of pilots complain because their ship cant do everything another ship can do.
Another way to look at it is to look at deepspace miners ( 0.0 for those that dont know what Deep space is^_^)
They may want to have a ship that can do it all... tank rats kill them mine and haul... yet we have learned by this that it is better to work as a team with many ship types rather than having 10 hulks.. with no haulers or protection.
Instead we use a team of people ( this is just an example) with 5-6 hulks 2 haulers and 3 protectors.
Please post your veiws on what i think i am interested in what you all think about the way it is best to fight and to reduce the amount of whines/ trolls about poor solo combat.
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LWMaverick
Quam Singulari
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.05 11:39:00 -
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Why should this be a sticky ? 
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.05 11:41:00 -
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because i think people need to be reminded that this game isnt about 1v1 combat perminantly.. infact most cases of combat involve more than 2 ships ( usualy a blob vs 1 ship lol) but me thinks once they have fixed blobs it will make it far more interesting
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.05 11:58:00 -
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but this game is not entirely about group combat either, its more about combat in space and everything else that goes on there when combat aint happening  , sides solo pvp can be fun too it just takes a good fitting/skills/knowledge of the ship, and caldari and amarr both have great solo ships if you know how to use em
amarr:
punisher one of the best t1 frigs and the vengeance t2 aint too shabby either
arbitrator, this and its t2 versions are god of solo
maller, fairly competent solo ship and one hell of a tough nut to *****
caldari:
kestrel wtfpwns for no money at all
moa: can snipe down frigate before they have a chance to warp eliminating the need for scrambling
scorpion, can be doom in the right hands solo
raven like a moving freaking monolith, crazy strong tank and crazy dmg output
there arent really that many main issues with races because everyone that comes up, their is already a solution to it within that races ships, maybe not in the same class but within the ships nonetheless(not saying everything is totally balanced or even near it) just saying experiment a little and you can find plenty of diamonds in the rough among the different races
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Tommy Vercetti
The Nexus Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:02:00 -
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 Originally by: XGS Crimson
I'm not sure how many people have concidered this in the game but i find alot of pilots complain because their ship cant do everything another ship can do.
Erm yeah we have an 86 page amarr thread to prove that point.
Other than that, I really have no idea what your talking about or why this should be stickied. Your saying pvp gangs should be made up of different ships to kill something? Or that 10 hulks isn't a good mining gang, which is pretty obvious I would have thought.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy Vercetti
Originally by: XGS Crimson
I'm not sure how many people have concidered this in the game but i find alot of pilots complain because their ship cant do everything another ship can do.
Erm yeah we have an 86 page amarr thread to prove that point.
You mean the general chat thread? :) Stop trying to make it look like Amarr problems are worse than anyone elses because you guys have kept bumping the same thread for several months.
Maybe we all should do that and see what happens. Whats the next step from there in order to get the most attention... create a new thread every day perhaps? And when everybody starts doing that, what then?
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xlop
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Whats the next step from there in order to get the most attention... create a new thread every day perhaps? And when everybody starts doing that, what then?
then we got our selfs a lot of jim mcgregors!
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Tommy Vercetti
The Nexus Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Tommy Vercetti
Originally by: XGS Crimson
I'm not sure how many people have concidered this in the game but i find alot of pilots complain because their ship cant do everything another ship can do.
Erm yeah we have an 86 page amarr thread to prove that point.
You mean the general chat thread? :) Stop trying to make it look like Amarr problems are worse than anyone elses because you guys have kept bumping the same thread for several months.
Maybe we all should do that and see what happens. Whats the next step from there in order to get the most attention... create a new thread every day perhaps? And when everybody starts doing that, what then?
Who are you talking to Jim? I agree with you 100%, I was being sarcastic, probably didnt word my response that well 
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xlop
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:22:00 -
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this thred is good news for those role players, you know the corps/allainces with only one race using only one race ships!
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Vathar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:35:00 -
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the thing about roleplayers is that, if you take a quick look at the backstory, you'll find quite a few stories where one race's fleet gets raped by another fleet taking advantages of the rigid doctrine of the race (a slow and cumbersome amarr fleet getting raped by fast jovian ships and a mothership, the caldari/gallente wars where gallenteans finally had to develop drones to counter fast caldari frigs just to name the two that pop to my mind)
So flying racial is goor for rp, but rp itself tells us that it creates strategic flaws!
As for this post, if we stickied every half thought piece of wisdom, I'd hae to scroll to page 10 everytime I browse those forums!
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Mjala
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:49:00 -
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stop with your thread overflow, the averange player is not dump and all your threads show that you are a new player.
learn the game and take your wisdom, then come back and tell us something what we dont know.
thanks in regards.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.05 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 05/10/2006 13:09:22
I find it easier to tackle in raven than in geddon/mega 
You are forgetting 1 thing...
raven without scram equals to:
- mega with blasters and web (+mwd)
- geddon with pulses and 2 webs
And about mediocre tackling abilities, flycatcher is okish, crow is retardedly overpowered and raptor is actually decent throwaway ship for 5mil. Now come back and tell us story about ares, crusader and claw.
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Wotar
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Posted - 2006.10.05 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mjala
stop with your thread overflow, the averange player is not dump and all your threads show that you are a new player.
learn the game and take your wisdom, then come back and tell us something what we dont know.
thanks in regards.
qft, please stop the pointless spam
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