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Lex Bird
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:16:00 -
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A little odd thing I noticed with the new update:
mass of the Earth 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg OR 5.973 septillion kg
Mass of system STARGATE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg
100 decillion kilograms?! Volume of 10,000,000 m3...
A density of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg/m3.
This is...absurd to say the least. That's practically a black hole. Hell, it has more mass than almost any star I can think of.
Can these values be changed to something a bit more realistic?
inB4 no one cares about object info. |
Julius Rigel
Callide Vulpis
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
7
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:18:00 -
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YOU try cramming all those light beams into such a small piece of technology and keep it light-weight. |
Lex Bird
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:25:00 -
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Light beams are massless... |
Zions Child
Odyssey Inc
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
208
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:26:00 -
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Its so you can't bump the stargate. True story. |
Lex Bird
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:29:00 -
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You can't bump anchored cans, and they're nowhere near that mass. |
RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
146
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:29:00 -
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it's how you get shot across several light-years in a couple of seconds
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Julius Rigel
Callide Vulpis
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
7
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:31:00 -
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Lex Bird wrote:Light beams are massless...
Not in eve they're not. |
Wacktopia
Sicarius.
49
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:32:00 -
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They are tiny black hole generations or w/e. They need the mass effect for the .... er..... mass affect. |
Lex Bird
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:33:00 -
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Julius Rigel wrote:Lex Bird wrote:Light beams are massless... Not in eve they're not.
If they had mass, Amarr would be able to deal kinetic damage with their lasers. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
465
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:33:00 -
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Gates are just amplifiers for gravity wells that requires two solar system's masses to anchor one down usually. Im suprised the things dont collaps onthemseles though.
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Aeril Malkyre
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:33:00 -
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Julius Rigel wrote:Lex Bird wrote:Light beams are massless... Not in eve they're not.
Sure they are. Otherwise the Amarr would get Kinetic damage tacked on to their lasers. And no one wants that.
Except the Amarr.
Edit: And Lex has it covered. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
217
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:35:00 -
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Lex Bird wrote:A little odd thing I noticed with the new update:
mass of the Earth 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg OR 5.973 septillion kg
Mass of system STARGATE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg
100 decillion kilograms?! Volume of 10,000,000 m3...
A density of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg/m3.
This is...absurd to say the least. That's practically a black hole. Hell, it has more mass than almost any star I can think of.
Can these values be changed to something a bit more realistic?
inB4 no one cares about object info.
Mysterious stargate technology is mysterious. Perhaps there is a black hole in there to power it. Or perhaps the high tech magical physics things happening inside cause you to get a distorted mass reading. Either way - who cares? It's impossible to travel at these speeds, and you're bitching about the mass. |
Lex Bird
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:36:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Lex Bird wrote:A little odd thing I noticed with the new update:
mass of the Earth 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg OR 5.973 septillion kg
Mass of system STARGATE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg
100 decillion kilograms?! Volume of 10,000,000 m3...
A density of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg/m3.
This is...absurd to say the least. That's practically a black hole. Hell, it has more mass than almost any star I can think of.
Can these values be changed to something a bit more realistic?
inB4 no one cares about object info. Mysterious stargate technology is mysterious. Perhaps there is a black hole in there to power it. Or perhaps the high tech magical physics things happening inside cause you to get a distorted mass reading. Either way - who cares? It's impossible to travel at these speeds, and you're bitching about the mass.
It's not impossible thanks to splitting space apart and quantum entanglement. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
114
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:40:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Lex Bird wrote:A little odd thing I noticed with the new update:
mass of the Earth 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg OR 5.973 septillion kg
Mass of system STARGATE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg
100 decillion kilograms?! Volume of 10,000,000 m3...
A density of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg/m3.
This is...absurd to say the least. That's practically a black hole. Hell, it has more mass than almost any star I can think of.
Can these values be changed to something a bit more realistic?
inB4 no one cares about object info. Mysterious stargate technology is mysterious. Perhaps there is a black hole in there to power it. Or perhaps the high tech magical physics things happening inside cause you to get a distorted mass reading. Either way - who cares? It's impossible to travel at these speeds, and you're bitching about the mass.
A wizard did it.
Or possibly bears. |
Julius Rigel
Callide Vulpis
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
7
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:43:00 -
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Lex Bird wrote:Julius Rigel wrote:Lex Bird wrote:Light beams are massless... Not in eve they're not. If they had mass, Amarr would be able to deal kinetic damage with their lasers.
But they do, it's just rounded to zero. Stargate light beams are much bigger, and there are trillions and trillions of them. |
gfldex
61
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:49:00 -
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Lex Bird wrote:If they had mass, Amarr would be able to deal kinetic damage with their lasers.
Kinetic damage is caused by impulse. Photons got impulse. That's what Einstein got his Nobel Price for.
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Crias Taylor
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:04:00 -
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The mass is that big because of eve physics and bumping. Way back in the day you could actually move star gates by bumping them. People would do this mostly to break insta warp ins (back be warp in at 0 was a thing the best you got was 15km, so you would make a BM 15km past the gate to drop on it a 0) by making the gate not line up with them.
CCPs solution to this was to give the gates **** you mass. There is no magical back story how something with black hole mass is not ripping the system apart. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
465
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:06:00 -
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That would explain the flying pos bug qa imposed by spawning 32 titans on the stations bump limit which sent said anchored station flying well out of the star system.
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Ione Dee
Lucror Commerce Investment Corporation
5
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:36:00 -
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Crias Taylor wrote:The mass is that big because of eve physics and bumping. Way back in the day you could actually move star gates by bumping them. People would do this mostly to break insta warp ins (back be warp in at 0 was a thing the best you got was 15km, so you would make a BM 15km past the gate to drop on it a 0) by making the gate not line up with them.
CCPs solution to this was to give the gates **** you mass. There is no magical back story how something with black hole mass is not ripping the system apart.
Which is probably good considering how many times I still bump into the damn things when I come out of warp.
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
221
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Posted - 2011.12.02 06:21:00 -
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So in theory if planets are much lighter than stargates, planets could still be bumped? Just found a use for those supercap fleets... |
Jonas Xiamon
23
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Posted - 2011.12.02 06:46:00 -
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I'm just going to support this as opposed to try and come up with a bullshit reason why it shouldn't be fixed.
Questions, comments, complaints?
Please feel free to reply,
I'll be serving coffee and ice cream soon. |
Emiko Luan
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
10
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Posted - 2011.12.02 07:06:00 -
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And how do you think you "split space apart" or acquire enough energy to quantum entangle anything on the macroscopic scale (which iirc isn't possible)?
Yes Black freakin' holes. It's heavy because it's full of black holes and we lost the technology after the gates were built. or something.
+welcome to my world+
http://venomzer0.deviantart.com |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
207
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Posted - 2011.12.02 07:17:00 -
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The Stargates have been constructed out of Dark Matter, hence in this Dimension we percieve them to have such huge mass. In reality, because of the Dark Matter which actually extends into an infinite space-time continuum, they weigh far less. It's just that our Eve-Physics are unable to adequately define such trans-dimensional intersections of matter, so we see the stargates as being excessively heavy.
Following from this one can deduce that in some dimension somewhere, there are other intelligent spacefaring lifeforms which look at their stargates and wonder how they can be so very light.
o/
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Tear Miner
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2011.12.02 07:26:00 -
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If the stargates have the largest mass and thereby the largest gravity in the systems, why do the celestial bodies not orbit them? |
ASadOldGit
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2011.12.02 07:30:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:The Stargates have been constructed out of Dark Matter, hence in this Dimension we percieve them to have such huge mass. In reality, because of the Dark Matter which actually extends into an infinite space-time continuum, they weigh far less. It's just that our Eve-Physics are unable to adequately define such trans-dimensional intersections of matter, so we see the stargates as being excessively heavy.
Following from this one can deduce that in some dimension somewhere, there are other intelligent spacefaring lifeforms which look at their stargates and wonder how they can be so very light.
o/
Either that, or it's full of pony-juice...
My container is NOT imploding! It's just a bit upset that it only sees cheap crap. |
Renturu
Tribal Spirit
Tribal Unity Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.12.02 07:34:00 -
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Wasn't it the Jovians that gave us the star gates? If so, I'm sure there is some tech they have that none of the 4 races will get. |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.12.02 07:34:00 -
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We can only blame the black obelisk... That thing is full of damn stars...
I like the dark matter attempt at bringing realism into this pixel creator the best so far... |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
433
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Posted - 2011.12.02 08:19:00 -
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Tear Miner wrote:If the stargates have the largest mass and thereby the largest gravity in the systems, why do the celestial bodies not orbit them?
Because of Jovians.
And nanites. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
41
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Posted - 2011.12.02 08:56:00 -
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Lex Bird wrote:Light beams are massless...
Light is not massless. Light is an expression of energy.
E=MC^2 says that the mas of light = [(GêÜE)/C]. |
Deanna Magus
UK Corp
RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 10:47:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Lex Bird wrote:Light beams are massless... Light is not massless. Light is an expression of energy. E=MC^2 says that the mas of light = [(GêÜE)/C].
You are misinterpreting the equation. Light does not have mass, it has relativistic mass. That is, the equation states an equivalence between energy and mass, and that the two are interchangeable. This does not mean however that there is an equivalence between mass and light.
The important aspect is that from QED the photons which make up light, have no rest mass, and they experience no gravitational field, or induce one on any other object.
Light is however indirectly affected by gravity due to space time being curved by gravity. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
217
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Posted - 2011.12.02 10:53:00 -
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It's because of magnets.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Sakkar Arenith
PIE Inc.
23
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:17:00 -
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Aeril Malkyre wrote:Julius Rigel wrote:Lex Bird wrote:Light beams are massless... Not in eve they're not. Sure they are. Otherwise the Amarr would get Kinetic damage tacked on to their lasers. And no one wants that. Except the Amarr. Edit: And Lex has it covered.
light actually does have kinetic properties, just very small ones.
Also, even our curent pulse lasers have an explosive effect, so gief exp damage on scourch, NAO! 
So if youre trying to "reason" with science, learn science first....
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Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
37
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:55:00 -
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Lex Bird wrote:A little odd thing I noticed with the new update:
mass of the Earth 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg OR 5.973 septillion kg
Mass of system STARGATE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg
100 decillion kilograms?! Volume of 10,000,000 m3...
A density of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg/m3.
This is...absurd to say the least. That's practically a black hole. Hell, it has more mass than almost any star I can think of.
Can these values be changed to something a bit more realistic?
inB4 no one cares about object info.
Actually, I'm pretty sure they've been calculated to have a density about 100times that of a Black Hole. Seems like CCP has no sense of scale... |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
118
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Posted - 2011.12.02 16:09:00 -
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Tear Miner wrote:If the stargates have the largest mass and thereby the largest gravity in the systems, why do the celestial bodies not orbit them?
I said a wizard did it!  *lol*
Seriously, though, the stargates must deal with some pretty funky physics to be able to throw a ship haflway across the galaxy in no more than a few seconds. Maybe their mass is only 'halfway' into our universe. If that makes sense.... |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
306
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Posted - 2011.12.02 16:36:00 -
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Lex Bird wrote:A little odd thing I noticed with the new update:
mass of the Earth 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg OR 5.973 septillion kg
Mass of system STARGATE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg
100 decillion kilograms?! Volume of 10,000,000 m3...
A density of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg/m3.
This is...absurd to say the least. That's practically a black hole. Hell, it has more mass than almost any star I can think of.
Well you see... the stargates have to be that massive in order to fling your ship, almost instantaneously, hundreds of light years away, and then catch them on the other end. If they weren't that massive, they surely would bounce out of alignment with the equal and opposite reactions to all that kinetic energy being imparted.
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Can these values be changed to something a bit more realistic?
Name one thing already realistic about stargates...
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
128
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Posted - 2011.12.08 23:46:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:
Name one thing already realistic about stargates...
They're....really big? |
Lex Bird
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.12.09 02:10:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:
Name one thing already realistic about stargates...
Here's the way I see it: stargates disassemble your ship into energy and information, and the stargate that it is linked to via quantum entanglement reconstructs your ship on the other side. The ship isn't physically thrown, the information regarding the ship is communicated. |
Titania Hrothgar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2011.12.09 02:39:00 -
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It's the same silliness found elsewhere in this game. You can fly right next to the sun in a system (which is actually smaller than a planet) and not get sucked in. Don't know how that's possible... or even why it's possible.
Stargates at that mass would pull the ship into itself and crush it.
At that mass, the gate couldn't possibly launch a ship because the energy it just shot out to the other gate would be sucked back inside. Although assuming that they are indeed that massive and they indeed do work somehow like that, there would still be the huge gravity well that would prevent you from escaping the destination gate :)
Titania Hrothgar |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
556
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Posted - 2011.12.09 02:41:00 -
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Too bad the tech article behind the gates is a bit... cryptic unlike our FTL comms which makes way to much sense.
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