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Satav
Latinum Exports
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:40:00 -
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I'm curious what the eve communities opinions are on how to counter said fleet.
Ship types, numbers, fleet compostion, etc.
Looking forward to your input.
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Needle Juice
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:49:00 -
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Bombers or assault frigates |
grazer gin
Raving Rednecks
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:02:00 -
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Bombs LOTS OF THEM |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:10:00 -
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grazer gin wrote:Bombs LOTS OF THEM
Won't need that many considering the flimsy nature of the tier3's ..
Now if only CCP gave us the option to detonate bombs without launching them, that is to suicide with AoE effect and introduced a T2 bomb launcher with enough capacity to carry three (for even more AoE suicide fun).
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Havoc Zealot
Advent Chaos Theory
KRYSIS.
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:41:00 -
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Use a battleship...BS>New BC |
ElQuirko
Boxxed Up Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:52:00 -
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Use a rifter with T1 small ACs, they can't hit it and their shittanks will die... |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:29:00 -
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Frigates.
Heretic Army CEO
Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Klown Walk
striving for excellence.
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:33:00 -
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Cruisers with tracking disruption. |
Sphit Ker
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.02 00:36:00 -
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soo.. everything and anything, basically? |
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Industrial Forge Works Inc
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Posted - 2011.12.02 02:38:00 -
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Well Sir...
All ya gotta do is dodge some big guns...
Dodge Big Guns Training Manual:
Improve Angular Velocity by doing BOTH of the following
- getting close
- being fast
footnote: being small helps
Good luck!
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Tasiv Deka
The Baseborn Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.02 06:20:00 -
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well with their tank this is what you do...
Hit them with a stick... any size should do one maybe two hits tops
although bombs do sound like a good idea or something fast and small |
King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.12.02 06:26:00 -
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Basically anything that's faster or can shoot just as far as a 1400mm armed tornado can. In sniper setups, the tier 3 BC's are complete glass cannons. Even tanked they are pretty squishy. If you can shoot just as far, you'll win the gank/tank fight directly pretty much regardless of what ships you use. If you are faster, then you can simply duck under their guns and then they are defenseless.
The problem of course arises when you are neither faster nor have greater weapon range. A prime example would be some conventional AC nano or plate canes vs sniper tornado's. The tornado's may only have 16k ehp, but the canes will never land a hit on them. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.12.02 09:28:00 -
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Depend how those fleets are fitted to play, but usually shooting back on right range helps a lot. |
Vihura
Vihura Cor
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:29:00 -
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Frigates.
Assault.
Drone. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:38:00 -
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well has some limited experience with them
1) kite mid range (800 ACS and Megapulse) - I would say well positioned bomber/bombs or properly tanked abadons or apocs (megapulse). Boosted SFI can rock too.
2) Snipers (arty or tachs) - probes + scram MWD smaller ships warpin or sniping tempests (with some tank) - pest can snipe nado (2 volleys), however nado cannot snipe pest
Well fited nado is not bad ship btw even for midrange kiting.
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:02:00 -
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The tier 3 BC fits I have seen are all weak buffer tanks; you can make a Naga do 380DPS active tank for about a minute and a half, but that's it (at the risk of pushing out 680DPS only). Your problem is survivng their DPS long enough to knock them out, which of course means you need to land shots on them. They are all essentially either sniping glass cannons, or kiting MWD falloff ships.
Therefore, speedy low sig things like, say, a Vaga or Cynabal or even a Taranis will do well, to chase them down, get in close and wear them down with tiny little ant bites of DPS.
Though, 1280DPS Talos's with webs will make that a frightful proposition.
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Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:22:00 -
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Jude Lloyd wrote:Frigates.
and destroyers.
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:06:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Jude Lloyd wrote:Frigates. and destroyers.
Yes .... and maybe no ... have to try it, but dessies are still very slow .... my nado is faster then my thrasher .... so if we do not consider some mixed gang with ewar setups I would be very careful. But will try it tonight with my corp buddy if he can melt me. |
Conor Todaki
Solo is Dead
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:08:00 -
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Anything that can drop a ship with less than 40k ehp. |
I likegirls
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.03 01:37:00 -
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3-4 stealth bombers! |
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Killstealing
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2011.12.03 01:51:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Jude Lloyd wrote:Frigates. and destroyers. Yes .... and maybe no ... have to try it, but dessies are still very slow .... my nado is faster then my thrasher .... so if we do not consider some mixed gang with ewar setups I would be very careful. But will try it tonight with my corp buddy if he can melt me.
dessies have like 50m sig now though, good luck hitting that with a rack of 1400s |
Daniel L'Siata
Echelon Conflict Resolution.
Dragoons.
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:06:00 -
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A handful of Frigates of any variety will straight up obliterate the new Tier 3's.
Hell, a friend killed an Oracle and a Tornado 2v1 in an Ishkur. No utility highs, poor tracking and paper tanks make Frigates (Or anything that can transversal tank well) ideal for taking them out.
If you have the cash and skills, I know from personal experience that 100MN Legions and Tengus absolutely smash Ti3's. |
whaynethepain
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:11:00 -
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Anything that can speed tank large turrets.
The tier 3's make excellent sniper ships.
Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
ZANE VOIDSTALKER
Concentrated Evil
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Posted - 2011.12.06 12:10:00 -
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man the new bc are soft as hell grab them with a dualweb loki and let a mega or similar bs eat them alive wont take much. and we had a dram catch nano tornado when i landed within 45 sec of engagment dram had tornado at half shields lol tier3 pffff like tier -3 |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.06 21:26:00 -
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Yeah I have a feeling that a Ceptor w/scram will be what wins the day against theses things. |
Sul Glass
Iron Crown
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Posted - 2011.12.06 22:47:00 -
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Tasiv Deka wrote:.......... or something fast and small
My missus says I have the very thing ...........
Sul |
GavinGoodrich
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.06 23:17:00 -
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Kiting fleet, he said. Not a single tier 3.
A single frig vs. an entire fleet of kiting ships...good luck. Scram one, the other 10+ alpha you from range. Pray to god your fast tackle know how to get to 'em without dying.
These ships are designed to kite, kill tackle, continue kiting, warp off.
Arazu/Lach/Huginn/Rapier with the right rep support is an effective counter. Having your entire fleet fit for medium range is helpful.
Bombs? This is a kite fleet. Make sure you know which way they will burn (sun, straight up, straight down, outbound gate, etc) and line said bombers up to fire into where they go. Keep in mind you probably won't hit them all. Leading a target with a 10 second flight time is tricky, at best
Lots of logis.
Sensor damps on utility mids for every available ship. Range is their only tank. Damps will be amongst the biggest counter amongst the grunts in the fleet. Fleets with armor logi can use arazus with nothing but damps...and take out 4-6 tier 3's quite easily. Would need other tackle recons W/logis for tackle.
Warp-ins. (behind the targets, usually. so the fleet can be warping
Proper placement of bubbling ships at the right moment.
Spies. (sigh) |
Silence iKillYouu
The Innocent Criminals
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Posted - 2011.12.15 10:08:00 -
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AHAX |
youthink
Dem0tivated.
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Posted - 2011.12.15 10:54:00 -
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You all fail to realize that the new Tier 3 battlecruisers are, in fact, the long overdue buff for Electronic Attack Ships. |
kyrieee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.15 17:45:00 -
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Silence iKillYouu wrote:AHAX
Good job suggesting the worst possible fleet you could field against them |
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Nor Tzestu
Assero Argentum
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Posted - 2011.12.15 20:59:00 -
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Assault frigs. A pile of them. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2011.12.17 03:11:00 -
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basically anything but keep your capital ships at home
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Vodka Cake
7-MICRON
The Kingdom of Heaven
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Posted - 2011.12.19 16:29:00 -
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Frigates.
Think of their tracking, they usually come to bash large structures. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2011.12.20 19:45:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote:Now if only CCP gave us the option to detonate bombs without launching them, that is to suicide with AoE effect and introduced a T2 bomb launcher with enough capacity to carry three (for even more AoE suicide fun).
KAMIKAZE!
Don't move when you launch the bomb. Without a ship velocity vector the bomb just sits next to your bomber then detonates. |
Soldarius
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.21 09:03:00 -
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Haven't tried it yet. But I would expect AFs and bombers to be pretty good at killing tier 3s.
"How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Bussta Gonad
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.22 05:25:00 -
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The natural predator of the Tier3 fleet is......da bomber http://gryphon.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11955544
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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
Pleasure Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:24:00 -
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1 blackbird :) |
Capital T
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.23 05:34:00 -
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Anthrax,... or an ibis... Ya I meant Ibis...  |
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