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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:52:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:100M is obviously WAAY too much.
You hear that all you people selling the parts needed to build a CO? Lower your damn prices right now! OP said so!
There, I helped :)
(Do a little math and cure your ignorance. The tax savings alone will pay for it in a couple months even if no one else uses it.)
At the currently inflated tax rates, yes. At the tax rates had these things never been implemented... Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
306
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Posted - 2011.12.02 14:50:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:War Kitten wrote:100M is obviously WAAY too much.
You hear that all you people selling the parts needed to build a CO? Lower your damn prices right now! OP said so!
There, I helped :)
(Do a little math and cure your ignorance. The tax savings alone will pay for it in a couple months even if no one else uses it.) At the currently inflated tax rates, yes. At the tax rates had these things never been implemented...
Umm.. yeah... had they not been implemented, there would be nothing to pay off regardless of tax rates.
But they are this high, and they were implemented. So the payoff is there.
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
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Posted - 2011.12.02 14:59:00 -
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The problem is what this will do to the T2 market. I foresee it spiking high enough that demand decreases again. |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:14:00 -
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Dradius Calvantia wrote:Am I missing something? Since when is 100 mil a lot of isk?
To normal econ players it isnt much.
To most people who do PI its quite a bit.
Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Marsan
Production N Destruction INC. Blue Moon Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.04 01:08:00 -
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Ghoest wrote:Dradius Calvantia wrote:Am I missing something? Since when is 100 mil a lot of isk? To normal econ players it isnt much. To most people who do PI its quite a bit.
But again you are assuming that most people will put up a CO. Most planets have dozens or more people using them. You only need one CO. Also even with the added taxes from the existing COs I'm still making isk. |
Catlos JeminJees
E.M.P. Industries Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.01.04 01:21:00 -
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when i read this thread out loud all i can hear is WHAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaa |
Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.01.04 01:32:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Dusty Meg wrote:Just put it down and fill it up before dt. You know like everyone does with station eggs It takes 5 seconds to anchor and 30 seconds to upgrade/online btw. Surprisingly fast.
Yea, I fiddled with one of my offline stations today.. and everything I put online, went online instantly.. <1 second. I thought there was a mistake, or that my UI was borked... But nope.. Must've missed that patch note. Putting up a Tower still takes a short bit of time though... but overall it's absolutely -nothing- like it used to be.
Thank the gods tho, seriously. |
Celeste Benal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:34:00 -
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The level of butthurt in here is incredible. I would offer some vasiline to help. But I don't think anyone would know how to use it properly.
PI is a freakin cash cow, even in hisec. I gross 50M a week selling Robotics using 4 hisec planets for extraction and one factory planet. My time cost is 15 minutes a day to reset extraction and 1 hour twice a week to haul. If you can't make serious bank doing PI, then you are fail and need to do something easier, like missioning. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
179
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:38:00 -
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It would seem if you're fat enough to charge fees for using your space a hundred mil would be chicken feed. But, if I were to pull a figure out of my ass, like those stated before, I'd say 350 mil makes better sense. If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:38:00 -
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I thought this thread died on the 2nd of December. I remember seeing Ghoest's post and thinking - well that is it, thread over. Marsan - what did you do? |
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.01.04 03:03:00 -
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What are you expecting?
POCOs are powerful. You are taking exclusive control over the planet with the ability to decide who gets to use it and who does not, in addition to completely removing the tax from you and your friends, and the ability to generate revenue from anyone else who you let use it (I'm guessing tax revenue goes to the owner, though I'm not 100% on this)
To top it off, opponents need either a lot of ships or a lot of time to take one down, AND they need to come out again because it has a reinforced timer.
...100M is a very reasonable price given this. You're supposed to care about it and put effort into defending it. You aren't supposed to say "**** it, I'll just throw up another one tomorrow". |
Thrawn Nostur
Impulsive Anarchy Talocan United
10
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Posted - 2012.01.04 03:35:00 -
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Cur wrote:
With a fleet of 30 bombers it takes 3 hours to pop one
I dunno. I killed one with ONE SB and an Abaddon in just over 3 hours.
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Olleybear
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2012.01.04 03:55:00 -
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Kinda funny that some are complaining of the price of putting up your own POCU. Except for the LP and 10mil isk for the Gantry bpc, CCP doesnt set the price of cusotms. All of the parts to make the gantry and then upgrade to a customs office are sold by players. The players are setting the price. |
Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2012.01.04 04:02:00 -
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@OP the whole mess is stupid. So you over price the heck out of it and it has to be good, right? Follows the Aurum Theory of pricing...
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Mardero
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.04 06:10:00 -
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WTB X-Large POCOs with EWAR, guns, and defensive mods. Let's see how many dreads you'll need then. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
302
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Posted - 2012.01.04 06:27:00 -
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Raven Ether wrote:So in order to set up one of the new customs offices, one must invest 100m for a sitting fragile duck that can be blown to bits with a handful of ships.
Wouldn't.... 20m be a more reasonable cost? Why something so basic has to be that expensive and that fragile too. There really isn't a point in increasing their HP, they will still blow up it will just take longer, but the cost makes a massive difference.
When you need 600m to set up PI in low/null without NPC offices, you're just ****** as they might be blown up the next day.
You realize you can like, make stuff in this game, right?
All you'd have to pay is the taxes on the materials to make the POCO's, and the time involved in setting up the manufacturing. The blueprint can be had in exchange for LP.
So the cost is nowhere near 100M, but you will pay in time. HTFU and learn to play the game. Or pay someone else for their work. |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
257
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Posted - 2012.01.04 07:28:00 -
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CCP really dislikes the little people you know , those 80 % of their customers are little people
Only the griefers and nullsec assholes are being being treated well by CCP I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1238
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Posted - 2012.01.04 07:30:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:CCP really dislikes the little people you know , those 80 % of their customers are little people
Only the griefers and nullsec assholes are being being treated well by CCP
I am no-one and i am doing well .. thank you. Granted i cant hold sovereignty in some null region and defend it effectively .. But why should i have such if i am not willing to put some effort in it. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
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Posted - 2012.01.04 07:32:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:
This happens when devolopers make changes without a clue or without caring for consequences.
They just like to change things up, keeps Eve from getting stale |
Zircon Dasher
Zirconia Trade Group
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Posted - 2012.01.04 07:35:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Deviana Sevidon wrote:
This happens when devolopers make changes without a clue or without caring for consequences.
They just like to change things up, keeps Eve from getting stale
Which says something about the player population since this is theoretically a sandox |
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1238
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Posted - 2012.01.04 07:42:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Deviana Sevidon wrote:
This happens when devolopers make changes without a clue or without caring for consequences.
They just like to change things up, keeps Eve from getting stale
well planetary interaction was meant to work this way from begining... First .. PI is waste of time .... Ou wait nice ISK can be made ..... I want to keep making ISK with PI, but now they wants me to invest ISK and defending forces ..... Dust 514
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
209
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Posted - 2012.01.04 07:46:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:A lot of people predicted what will happen when CCP revealed their plan. Prices are already skyrocketing and with a number of producers just quitting on PI the prices of a lot of products related to POS production is also going to rise.
This happens when devolopers make changes without a clue or without caring for consequences.
Pfft my PI is now making me bajillions
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
W1rlW1nd
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.04 08:49:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:... 80 % of their customers are little people
You brade runnah?
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