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Raven Ether
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:35:00 -
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So in order to set up one of the new customs offices, one must invest 100m for a sitting fragile duck that can be blown to bits with a handful of ships.
Wouldn't.... 20m be a more reasonable cost? Why something so basic has to be that expensive and that fragile too. There really isn't a point in increasing their HP, they will still blow up it will just take longer, but the cost makes a massive difference.
When you need 600m to set up PI in low/null without NPC offices, you're just ****** as they might be blown up the next day. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
213
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:40:00 -
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It's only a gentry or what you cal it and 100m is shill overpriced a bit for sure for it to be a CO you need still upgrade this gentry and that will cost few+ mil more. |
Herrington Vance
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:42:00 -
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Higher opportunity costs = higher profits. |
Dusty Meg
Redbull Air Race Inc
5
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:44:00 -
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Just put it down and fill it up before dt. You know like everyone does with station eggs |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
612
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:55:00 -
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Dusty Meg wrote:Just put it down and fill it up before dt. You know like everyone does with station eggs
It takes 5 seconds to anchor and 30 seconds to upgrade/online btw. Surprisingly fast.
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
152
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:07:00 -
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Am I missing something? Since when is 100 mil a lot of isk? |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
437
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:09:00 -
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Dradius Calvantia wrote:Am I missing something? Since when is 100 mil a lot of isk?
its not when you factor in the bounty of taxes made during its short little life
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Jita Alt666
606
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:14:00 -
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Can't be bothered looking for link;
Someone somewhere had some math that outlined if you could get 30 characters using the PCO on 24-26 hour cycles to produce p2s with a tax percentage of 5% you would make in excess of 150mil per month. |
Cur
Hardcore p0wnography
Cascade Imminent
29
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:10:00 -
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Raven Ether wrote:So in order to set up one of the new customs offices, one must invest 100m for a sitting fragile duck that can be blown to bits with a handful of ships.
Wouldn't.... 20m be a more reasonable cost? Why something so basic has to be that expensive and that fragile too. There really isn't a point in increasing their HP, they will still blow up it will just take longer, but the cost makes a massive difference.
When you need 600m to set up PI in low/null without NPC offices, you're just ****** as they might be blown up the next day.
With a fleet of 30 bombers it takes 3 hours to pop one
With 5 dreads it'll take an hour.
Same as a small POS hitpoints wise.
Return to the smart things to do in regards to you're situation: If you dont own/hold the space, or have the numbers/activity to defend you're space against people whom may come in to destroy your'e **** - you dont deserve/have the right to call the place your'e own. Not CCP's problem.
If the people coming to toy with you are big blobs with too much time on their hands - Befriend their enemy's and Neutrals of equal or bigger sized blobs. Batphone them whenever you're getting hit by the blob, give them as much info as possible on ship types (Hint, they'll only come if the enemy is fielding carriers/dreads/moms/titans, everythign else they dont give a crap so dont bother) Just remember - if they come - they dont give a crap about you, and if you run out with roses and wine to thank them for driving off whoemver they'd probably try to kill you just for the lulz. Its all about killmails to them, and Caps are very juicy killmails indeed.
There are going to be how many customs offices in eve after people get setup?
I think you'll find the funparade ends very quickly with people wanting to pop them untll the entire system/surrounding areas are being re-occupied/taken over. Unless structure grinding somehow made it into the "more fun than the pub on friday night" cateogry by dressing up as a woman and so far being undiscoverd for the horror it truly is? |
Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate
True Reign
75
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:21:00 -
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you do know you can still use the launch option to shoot things into space right?
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh.
I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |
Vincent Gaines
182
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:24:00 -
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Fragile?
A recon has 10k HP and costs well over 100m
This has something like 1 million HP
God, just shut up. |
Ardamalis
Vanguard Corp Bounty Hunters
28
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:36:00 -
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If POCOs keep getting blown up, then PI goods and materials prices will rise. They will keep rising until planting a POCO is worthwhile.
Nuff said, regardless of whether they are hard or easy to kill, expensive or cheap to setup, the market WILL reach an equilibrium point where it is profitable to set them up.
Arguing that POCOs are somehow unprofitable is a bit pointless imo. It takes some time for the markets to adjust to the changes so for the short term, yes they may be unprofitable but it will fix itself with time. |
baltec1
215
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:39:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Fragile?
A recon has 10k HP and costs well over 100m
This has something like 1 million HP
God, just shut up.
10 million in shields.
We just popped 6 of them |
Raven Ether
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:08:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Fragile?
A recon has 10k HP and costs well over 100m
This has something like 1 million HP
God, just shut up.
Noob. |
Pistha
Doomheim
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:12:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Fragile?
A recon has 10k HP and costs well over 100m
This has something like 1 million HP
God, just shut up.
WTB: Covert Ops Cloaking Device II for my POCO
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Gempei
Siberian Khatru.
18
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:12:00 -
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Raven Ether wrote:.... one of the new customs offices, one must invest 100m ...
bpc + manufacturing + upgrade = 140M 
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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange
Fatal Ascension
272
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:13:00 -
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with these so cheap its gonna make grinding out newly conquered space horrible :P
o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist..
KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
217
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:18:00 -
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Only 100m?
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
118
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:21:00 -
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A lot of people predicted what will happen when CCP revealed their plan. Prices are already skyrocketing and with a number of producers just quitting on PI the prices of a lot of products related to POS production is also going to rise.
This happens when devolopers make changes without a clue or without caring for consequences. |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Arklight Project
Fade 2 Black
13
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:26:00 -
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Raven Ether wrote:So in order to set up one of the new customs offices, one must invest 100m for a sitting fragile duck that can be blown to bits with a handful of ships.
Wouldn't.... 20m be a more reasonable cost? Why something so basic has to be that expensive and that fragile too. There really isn't a point in increasing their HP, they will still blow up it will just take longer, but the cost makes a massive difference.
When you need 600m to set up PI in low/null without NPC offices, you're just ****** as they might be blown up the next day.
You gotta spend some cash for the HP you get. 100m is much for a new player and peanuts for many in Eve. Question is, if you field one and say it's expensive, you certainly won't be able to protect one, so is this the right field of investment for everyone? I dare say no. Carebares will stay in hisec, lowsec will become more hostile and nullsec won't change a bit.
However PI prices may rise.
Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growind and growing. |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
58
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:29:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:A lot of people predicted what will happen when CCP revealed their plan. Prices are already skyrocketing and with a number of producers just quitting on PI the prices of a lot of products related to POS production is also going to rise.
This happens when devolopers make changes without a clue or without caring for consequences.
Lol, cry me a river. Prices going up is good.
Besides that, time those doing PI stopped having a near free ride. |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
178
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:37:00 -
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Herrington Vance wrote:Higher opportunity costs = higher profits.
You are right , but not with these POCO
It will teke about a year before the bloody thing pays itself back , if it will ever pays itself back and when it survives
The whole concept is so flawed and biased against smaller corporations , i starting to kill that CCP has started a campaign to kill all small industrial corporations
Plus the fact that you can only get the stupid bpc thru lp stores is even more stupid and biased like alot of things in this expansion and future changes
Now if only CCP will reimbursed all the sp. I invested in pi i wouldn t be so negative about the whole crucible expansion
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Raven Ether
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:38:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:A lot of people predicted what will happen when CCP revealed their plan. Prices are already skyrocketing and with a number of producers just quitting on PI the prices of a lot of products related to POS production is also going to rise.
This happens when devolopers make changes without a clue or without caring for consequences.
Quote of justice for a poorly thought out concept. |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
178
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:39:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Deviana Sevidon wrote:A lot of people predicted what will happen when CCP revealed their plan. Prices are already skyrocketing and with a number of producers just quitting on PI the prices of a lot of products related to POS production is also going to rise.
This happens when devolopers make changes without a clue or without caring for consequences. Lol, cry me a river. Prices going up is good. Besides that, time those doing PI stopped having a near free ride.
Will you cry me a river when your favorite ship and modules will cost you alot more than what they do now or do you think they made by santa and his little gnomes
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
178
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:47:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Can't be bothered looking for link;
Someone somewhere had some math that outlined if you could get 30 characters using the PCO on 24-26 hour cycles to produce p2s with a tax percentage of 5% you would make in excess of 150mil per month.
Who makes p2 on a low sec planet and you really think you will have 30 people producing p2 on the same low sec planet
Nah it will takes months before the thing pays it self back if it survives ... Most unlikely since you get a killmail for it
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Drew Solaert
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:34:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:Will you cry me a river when your favorite ship and modules will cost you alot more than what they do now or do you think they made by santa and his little gnomes
You seem to think this is a bad thing. Miners will get more ISK for their time, Producers won't feel the hit at all as they just increase margins to compensate, Traders will make a tidy bit of extra profit if they have stockpiles and with ISK being stupidly easy to make via Incursions/Missions/Anoms or whatever floats PvPer's won't really feel the hit. Just means more ISK will be passed around. Fine by me.
Personally my PI has become a lot more profitable, and if the prices stabilise at a nice higher rate then you can bet that people will start jumping back onto the PI bandwagon. Regardless of tax. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
306
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:45:00 -
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100M is obviously WAAY too much.
You hear that all you people selling the parts needed to build a CO? Lower your damn prices right now! OP said so!
There, I helped :)
(Do a little math and cure your ignorance. The tax savings alone will pay for it in a couple months even if no one else uses it.)
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
13
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:45:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:Herrington Vance wrote:Higher opportunity costs = higher profits. You are right , but not with these POCO It will teke about a year before the bloody thing pays itself back
Try one month, there's already enough anecdotal evidence to point that 1 year ROI is a cross overestimation.
pussnheels wrote:when it survives
Fair point. But still, 140 mil is pocket change.
pussnheels wrote:
The whole concept is so flawed and biased against smaller corporations , i starting to kill that CCP has started a campaign to kill all small industrial corporations
Plus the fact that you can only get the stupid bpc thru lp stores is even more stupid and biased like alot of things in this expansion and future changes
It's called player interaction. EvE is an MMOG, thus you don't need to do it all yourself.
pussnheels wrote:Now if only CCP will reimbursed all the sp. I invested in pi i wouldn t be so negative about the whole crucible expansion
So it will cost you a bit more to do PI, so? Just pass the increased costs to the price of the product, problem solved.
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FlameGlow
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:46:00 -
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Cur wrote:
With 5 dreads it'll take an hour.
Same as a small POS hitpoints wise.
That's some failfit dreads right there, wait......
in fact that's an accurate estimate for dreads without siege, ahahahahahahahaha  |
Lucas Schuyler
Mortis Noir.
Unforgiving.
7
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:51:00 -
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Raven Ether wrote:So in order to set up one of the new customs offices, one must invest 100m for a sitting fragile duck that can be blown to bits with a handful of ships.
Wouldn't.... 20m be a more reasonable cost? Why something so basic has to be that expensive and that fragile too. There really isn't a point in increasing their HP, they will still blow up it will just take longer, but the cost makes a massive difference.
When you need 600m to set up PI in low/null without NPC offices, you're just ****** as they might be blown up the next day.
You realize this is for corporations, right? No one intended for solo players in NPC Corps to do this. |
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