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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.10.06 19:21:00 -
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Hey guys,
One day Jimmy decides to shoot at some gallente ships (being dedicated caldari pilot and all) and decides to equp his nice Scorpion with beautiful ION ECMs to counter his gallente counterparts...
Little knew Jimmy that where he was heading a Tempest pilot was looking for a scratch board for his new 1400mm guns..
the idea is .. IMO people should really fit mostly Hypnos Multispectral ECMs, to account for any scenario if going to do any 1v1 solo with a scorp.. why do you need the faction ECMs then? you nearly never know what ship you will be fighting and if it will be alone. Even if you know, there is hardly time to go and re-arm with the proper ECMs for that faction..
Do we really need all this ECM Variety to pretend like we have a choice???... 
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.06 19:24:00 -
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I fit a mix of racials and some multispecs as backups in my scorp.
why? even if multispecs have an equal chance to jam anything, racials will always be better to jam certain races.
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 Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.10.06 19:28:00 -
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Right but to be sure to Jam a Battleship you need about at least 3ECMs, if these are Multispectral, why gamble on the rest 2-3 slots for ECMs and not go Multispectral all the way ? + with all skills up they are pretty good 
just a procedural question i guess, wanted to get more people sharing their experience with that... 
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ArtemisEntreri
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.10.06 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Black Scorpio
Right but to be sure to Jam a Battleship you need about at least 3ECMs, if these are Multispectral, why gamble on the rest 2-3 slots for ECMs and not go Multispectral all the way ? + with all skills up they are pretty good
just a procedural question i guess, wanted to get more people sharing their experience with that...
A use for racials, is caldari + tracking disruptor, basically gets all the ships, except gallente drone ships.
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.10.06 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: ArtemisEntreri
A use for racials, is caldari + tracking disruptor, basically gets all the ships, except gallente drone ships.
That's exactly what little Jimmy in the story was aiming at  ..but didn't want to leave himself vulnerable to other unexpected encounters 
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.06 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Black Scorpio
Right but to be sure to Jam a Battleship you need about at least 3ECMs, if these are Multispectral, why gamble on the rest 2-3 slots for ECMs and not go Multispectral all the way ? + with all skills up they are pretty good
just a procedural question i guess, wanted to get more people sharing their experience with that...
you can jam a BS with a single racial. Don't forget that ECM is chance-based.
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Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.10.06 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
you can jam a BS with a single racial. Don't forget that ECM is chance-based.
... unless you use Multispectrals.. kind of makes it certain you will do the job you left out to do in the first place..
Single racial ECM for a BS? come on, if you fly a scorpion you should know what a rare jem that is.. 
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Vathar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.06 19:52:00 -
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Racials also have their use in small, empire wars corps, where you can find intel on your opponents on public killboards.
I remember a couple of those wars back in time where killboards told us that our opponents were flying 90% gallente or something similar!
Guess what, ion fields became the norm, with a buncha multispecs as a "safety factor"
Similarly, when you've been gathering intel on nasty lowsec gatecampers for a few days, you can tailor your offense to get the upper hand by fitting adequately ...
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Originally by: Stamm
Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing |
Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.10.06 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Vathar
Racials also have their use in small, empire wars corps, where you can find intel on your opponents on public killboards.
I remember a couple of those wars back in time where killboards told us that our opponents were flying 90% gallente or something similar!
Guess what, ion fields became the norm, with a buncha multispecs as a "safety factor"
Similarly, when you've been gathering intel on nasty lowsec gatecampers for a few days, you can tailor your offense to get the upper hand by fitting adequately ...
Thanks man, a great comment! I like the research idea on the oponent and will apply!As for the random 1v1 soloing though i'd still probably stick to Multi-s.. you can't alsways choose the oponent(s), although you can certainly do it smarter
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LoKesh
Amarr
InQuest Ascension
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.06 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Black Scorpio
Single racial ECM for a BS? come on, if you fly a scorpion you should know what a rare jem that is..
It happens quite often -
One racial on a scorp to jam another scorp - 45%
One multi on a scorp to jam another scorp - 30%
(with my skills and best jammers available)
A spread of racials and a multi or two works wonders.
1) If you're solo hunting you have 1 racial and maybe 2 multis to hold a target (and the extra 2-4 points for the off target if you need it).
2)If you're in a fleet you can be sure the fleet your fighting will have a mix of ships and you can now be effective at jamming multiple targets. (racial and multis on the primary, other racials on other heavy damage dealers - you've just prevented the primary from shooting and are cutting the damage from 3 other ships by 40-50%)
3) Range - flying the big "SHOOT ME FIRST" sign is rough if you don't push the range advantage.
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.10.06 20:04:00 -
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Lokesh, would you then fit 1 racial of each ? then say 2-3 Multi's?
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.06 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 06/10/2006 20:05:42
It's called range. Also, if you cut out one fairly unlikely race and bias towards two popular ones you're extremely likely to end up with a good chunk more jamming strength.
All the while having more range (and using less cap, not that it matters). If anything racials are overpowered and should simply get their range bonuses and no / a smaller strength bonus :/
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Android Mindslave
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.10.06 20:41:00 -
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Which Scorpion would you rather have for a large fight?
One with multi-specs that can jam anyone.
One with a mix of racials that has a higher chance to jam and can jam from farther away.
In a large fight, having a jammer that is only good vs Minmataar ships isn't really a penelty, because the odds are rather high that there will be minmataar ships to jam.
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.10.06 20:46:00 -
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Guys, guys.. the story started with Jimmy taking his Scorpion for a 1v1, no large battles, no fancies.. please stick to the scope of the question..
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