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P3ps1 Max
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:45:32 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:P3ps1 Max wrote:Too much ambiguity and variations in SP's for me and other friends I've talked to regarding pvp and solo fights. There needs to be some bench mark or level system in regards to a players points. Yes a dude with 70 million SP will rofl stomp the dude with 7million. If the dude with 70 mil has industry and science skills and just recently skilled up his cruiser he can easily be the one roflstomped. A character with 5 million SPs focussed in the ship he's flying will have a more than even chance against a character who has 100 million, only 4 million of which are applicable to the ship they're in. A character with 5 million SPs and the Player skills to maximise their ship will make a 50 mil SP "combat specialist" who doesn't into a comedy kill-mail. You will lose ships as you're learning - so choose cheap ships and lose them. Lose ten or so and you'll probably be getting close fights, lose twenty and you'll be winning some of them - even if you're opponent is ten years old.
Because we all know the veteran with his only character -(sarcasm) is going to take his industry character out on a roam looking for solo fights. Majority of veterans build characters concentrated in certain areas of the game. Character bazaar is a good indicater of this.=ƒÿë
I'm not saying it's a gaurantee a lower skill player will automatically lose 10/10 of the time but I'd wager that veteran isn't out to lose a few ships but rather pad his kill mail stats. |

Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
146
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:00:31 -
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I solo almost exclusively. Sometimes i die 5min after i make the ship. Sometimes i kill 5x what the ship is worth before i go down. Just depends on who you fight and what youre flying.
Funnest aspect is doing things that arent the norm. Like brawler arty gnosis or hull tanked drakes. Ive made 14man gangs run away from a single drake after killing 3/4 of their gang. Solo pvp uses a lot of psychological tactics to get the upper hand. Thats why i enjoy it so much.
I die.. a lot. Comes with the territory of being outnumbered most of the time. |

Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
164
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:01:34 -
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You can solo PvP anytime. It just depends on how much you want to lose and much more important: do you have the time and ISK to replace your stuff again and again? |

Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
279
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:39:07 -
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People who appreciate solo content came to the forum, were told to leave EVE, they aren't welcome.
So they did. |

Renegade Heart
Novus Ordo Universum
402
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:42:26 -
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Sisohiv wrote:People who appreciate solo content came to the forum, were told to leave EVE, they aren't welcome.
So they did.
Did they? |

Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
279
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:49:35 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Sisohiv wrote:People who appreciate solo content came to the forum, were told to leave EVE, they aren't welcome.
So they did. Did they?
Some left the content, others left the game entirely. Either way you are left with the blobs and that second M in MMO. Funny thing about the second M in MMO though, try account sharing, see where it gets you. |

Renegade Heart
Novus Ordo Universum
405
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Posted - 2015.02.20 21:20:50 -
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Sisohiv wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Sisohiv wrote:People who appreciate solo content came to the forum, were told to leave EVE, they aren't welcome.
So they did. Did they? Some left the content, others left the game entirely. Either way you are left with the blobs and that second M in MMO. Funny thing about the second M in MMO though, try account sharing, see where it gets you.
I'd rather use alts. Account sharing sounds bad (EULA violation) so no thanks.
Also no matter how big the blobs might be getting there are still tons of players killing things on their own. Solo PvP is far from dead. Maybe it's just too hard for some nowadays? |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6285
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Posted - 2015.02.20 21:38:09 -
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LordSpook Anpumesses wrote:A few of you know me, most prolly dont, I have lived in Placid and Black Rise (Gal/Cal FW space) for over 2 years now and the last few months there has been a major decline in solo fighting, compared to what it use to be its practically non-exsistant. Its become more of a blob fest of null sec style. Now some time last year some there was a lot of whining and crying about cloaky warp stabbed ships and how they should be banned some how and make the plex rats respawn like crack addicts to encourage more solo pvp, will how did that work out for ya? most of you prolly arent even in low anymore prataking in solo pvp are ya? (most prolly werent even out here to begain with) at the time people that lived out here said it was a bad idea with loads of reasons why and just about all of them came true didnt they?
I for one would like to see the glory days of low sec fighting return but it means kill board ***** mite have to get alittle butthurt once in awhile cause there may be a player thats doesnt want to get insta popped to their 3 times boosted deadspace fit whatever ship and just simply cloaks or warps off. OOORRRRR we continue to slowly bleed low sec solo players and pretty much become just another null sec region with out the sav.
I really love saying this in game and RL but WE TOLD YOU SO! :P
yes half the words are prolly misspelled but i dont care, o7 -LrdSpk
You are doing it wrong.
There's plenty of solo PVP. Try suicide ganking non-combatant ships in highsec, hyperdunking freighters, and tricking noobs into duels.
You want PVP in lowsec get into FW. You'll need to fit a cloak.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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vccv
8
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Posted - 2015.02.20 22:14:33 -
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Im for getting rid of killboards all together. Not a very popular idea though. |

Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
201
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Posted - 2015.02.20 22:31:58 -
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Sisohiv wrote:People who appreciate solo content came to the forum, were told to leave EVE, they aren't welcome.
So they did. You are egregiously misinformed. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
33199
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Posted - 2015.02.20 22:57:06 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Sibyyl wrote: What's the second M in MMO again?
I don't think it stands for Solo.
A solo player can beat a whole corp. Indeed solo players have been known to defeat multiple corps at once! I'm guessing multiple players are involved? No, I think you are just missing Sibyyl's point a bit.
She wasn't saying there is no solo, just that complaining about the lack of solo in an MMO doesn't make much sense.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Marsha Mallow
1957
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Posted - 2015.02.20 23:04:16 -
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Sisohiv wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Sisohiv wrote:People who appreciate solo content came to the forum, were told to leave EVE, they aren't welcome.
So they did. Did they? Some left the content, others left the game entirely. Either way you are left with the blobs and that second M in MMO. Funny thing about the second M in MMO though, try account sharing, see where it gets you. At least one of those Ms is 'muppet'.
There are soloers top of various killboards ingame, go get em OP. If it's blobby or quiet where you are, move.
There's also a few solo PVP channels floating about ingame, loads of blogs and plenty of youtube vids kicking about. Solo is only dead if you're a lazy sod who expects people to come to you.
DON'T BE RIDICULOUS!
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Renegade Heart
Novus Ordo Universum
407
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Posted - 2015.02.21 00:16:52 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Sibyyl wrote: What's the second M in MMO again?
I don't think it stands for Solo.
A solo player can beat a whole corp. Indeed solo players have been known to defeat multiple corps at once! I'm guessing multiple players are involved? No, I think you are just missing Sibyyl's point a bit. She wasn't saying there is no solo, just that complaining about the lack of solo in an MMO doesn't make much sense.
And you are missing my point, that there is no lack of solo. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
33199
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Posted - 2015.02.21 00:17:53 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:And you are missing my point, that there is no lack of solo. No, not at all. I know there is a lot of solo.
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Renegade Heart
Novus Ordo Universum
407
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Posted - 2015.02.21 00:19:45 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:And you are missing my point, that there is no lack of solo. No, not at all. I know there is a lot of solo. Totally different point.
I disgree with any point you are making (whatever that is, I don't really care though).
If I see players implying that you can't solo in EvE I will challenge it. The post I replied to implied that. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
33199
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Posted - 2015.02.21 00:22:16 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:If I see players implying that you can't solo in EvE I will challenge it. The post I replied to implied that. Except that's not what Sibyyl was saying.
But epeening is boring. Is kind of silly.
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Renegade Heart
Novus Ordo Universum
407
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Posted - 2015.02.21 00:25:14 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Except that's not what Sibyyl was saying.
But epeening is boring. Is kind of silly.
You don't say something when you imply it.
If you think Sibyyl was implying something other than solo play in EvE being a bad idea, then I respect your view, but disagree. Solo play can be fun.
Epeen what? |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
33199
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Posted - 2015.02.21 00:33:20 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Epeen what? Just the silly one upmanship:
Renegade Heart wrote:I disgree with any point you are making (whatever that is, I don't really care though). Disagreeing with a point you even agree that you don't understand.
But I'm epeening too and it's boring and off topic.
Feel free to keep misinterpreting the original comment all you like. Yes, solo pvp is fun.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Renegade Heart
Novus Ordo Universum
407
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Posted - 2015.02.21 00:35:39 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Epeen what? Just the silly one upmanship: Renegade Heart wrote:I disgree with any point you are making (whatever that is, I don't really care though). Disagreeing with a point you don't even understand. But I'm epeening too and it's boring and off topic. Feel free to keep misinterpreting the original comment all you like. Yes, solo pvp is fun.
I understand everything that Sibyll implied. I don't understand your point so I have no choice but to disagree with you. |

Marsha Mallow
1958
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Posted - 2015.02.21 00:41:38 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:A solo player can beat a whole corp. Indeed solo players have been known to defeat multiple corps at once! I'm guessing multiple players are involved?
Renegade Heart wrote:You don't say something when you imply it. Solo play can be fun. Epeen what?
Renegade Heart wrote:Also no matter how big the blobs might be getting there are still tons of players killing things on their own. Solo PvP is far from dead. Maybe it's just too hard for some nowadays?
You're trolling yourself there, smartarse
DON'T BE RIDICULOUS!
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
22506
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Posted - 2015.02.21 00:41:46 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Sibyyl wrote: What's the second M in MMO again?
I don't think it stands for Solo.
A solo player can beat a whole corp. Indeed solo players have been known to defeat multiple corps at once! I'm guessing multiple players are involved?
The solo players that beat entire corps don't make posts on GD about the death of solo PVP.
People that make posts on GD about the death of solo PVP should go find friends, since obviously they're not able to hold their own.
Make sense?
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Renegade Heart
Novus Ordo Universum
407
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Posted - 2015.02.21 00:42:48 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:You're trolling yourself there, smartarse
If you think so 
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jurgen b
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.02.21 02:21:32 -
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i joined FW and when roaming in low system sites you can find descent 1v1 fights, at least i can find them. and if i can't find them, i park myself in a plex and often a good fight comes to me.
look, this is what i do, i concider those plex sites as little prostitute vitrines, you place yourself behind the window untill a costumer flies by and want some fun. you just play tha little ***** in a plex and sell yourself for a fight, once people know that, you get a happy flow of costumers and returning costumers all in for a good fight.
anyone get the idea behind it? |

Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
291
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Posted - 2015.02.21 03:43:39 -
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I don't FW but I find 1v1 fights in LS all the time. Even more if I don't care about having a snowball's chance of winning. |

Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2015.02.21 04:37:36 -
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Dun'Gal wrote:P3ps1 Max wrote:Too much ambiguity and variations in SP's for me and other friends I've talked to regarding pvp and solo fights. There needs to be some bench mark or level system in regards to a players points. Yes a dude with 70 million SP will rofl stomp the dude with 7million. With damage modifiers maxed out along with general resists (defenses) maxed out, why bother as a new player? Stroke the veterans ego? No thanks!
i.e for every 10 million sp you earn you'd gain a level. Just an idea?=ƒÿù Or you could learn to play and understand how SP actually works. Wherein a newish 7mil sp player invested into there ship of choice is equivellant to a 70 mil sp character invested into the same because you can only invest so much into each ship.
What about the 100M SP character with 30M SP invested in his ship of choice vs the 5M SP character? That diversionary argument grows tiresome. There are lots of people in FW with nearly perfect subcap skills, and it does matter.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2015.02.21 04:38:41 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Sibyyl wrote: What's the second M in MMO again?
I don't think it stands for Solo.
A solo player can beat a whole corp. Indeed solo players have been known to defeat multiple corps at once! I'm guessing multiple players are involved? The solo players that beat entire corps don't make posts on GD about the death of solo PVP. People that make posts on GD about the death of solo PVP should go find friends, since obviously they're not able to hold their own. Make sense?
Because they don't exist.
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jurgen b
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.02.21 05:33:50 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Dun'Gal wrote:P3ps1 Max wrote:Too much ambiguity and variations in SP's for me and other friends I've talked to regarding pvp and solo fights. There needs to be some bench mark or level system in regards to a players points. Yes a dude with 70 million SP will rofl stomp the dude with 7million. With damage modifiers maxed out along with general resists (defenses) maxed out, why bother as a new player? Stroke the veterans ego? No thanks!
i.e for every 10 million sp you earn you'd gain a level. Just an idea?=ƒÿù Or you could learn to play and understand how SP actually works. Wherein a newish 7mil sp player invested into there ship of choice is equivellant to a 70 mil sp character invested into the same because you can only invest so much into each ship. What about the 100M SP character with 30M SP invested in his ship of choice vs the 5M SP character? That diversionary argument grows tiresome. There are lots of people in FW with nearly perfect subcap skills, and it does matter.
i agree on that man, i have less SP invested in pvp during the years and i notice the difference in dps output and tanking vs a higher SP player. example half of mine are L3 and if i 1V1 sva L5 skills i notice it and as well when i fight vs a lower SP player who i out tank and out dps. people who say SP dont matter are those with all the SP imo. i discussed that with a player i lost from and compaired and also a player i won from and compaired the SP and the fittings we had. both losses and wins ware SP based since our fittings ware like the same. not saying that counts for everything tho. but SP do matter idd
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SkyFlyer
DUST Expeditionary Team Good Sax
103
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Posted - 2015.02.21 06:41:37 -
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Ofcourse SP matter in game , just like any other MMO Levels matter in PvP - but if you go and lose against a guy and complain about SP being the difference Don't take the fight, it is as simple as that.
On the other hand solo PvP is far from Dead tbh (look at my videos) , yes it is harder to come by nowadays but its very muchly still kicking ass....
If you cant get solo PvP where you live, its p easy :
Step 1 ) Realise your Problem Step 2 ) Scout Killboards Step 3 ) Scout out the Region during Peak Times. Step 4 ) Relocate your Assets to a satisfactory Region. Step 5 ) ???? Step 6 ) Profit! |

Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
202
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Posted - 2015.02.21 06:46:31 -
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jurgen b wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Dun'Gal wrote:P3ps1 Max wrote:Too much ambiguity and variations in SP's for me and other friends I've talked to regarding pvp and solo fights. There needs to be some bench mark or level system in regards to a players points. Yes a dude with 70 million SP will rofl stomp the dude with 7million. With damage modifiers maxed out along with general resists (defenses) maxed out, why bother as a new player? Stroke the veterans ego? No thanks!
i.e for every 10 million sp you earn you'd gain a level. Just an idea?=ƒÿù Or you could learn to play and understand how SP actually works. Wherein a newish 7mil sp player invested into there ship of choice is equivellant to a 70 mil sp character invested into the same because you can only invest so much into each ship. What about the 100M SP character with 30M SP invested in his ship of choice vs the 5M SP character? That diversionary argument grows tiresome. There are lots of people in FW with nearly perfect subcap skills, and it does matter. i agree on that man, i have less SP invested in pvp during the years and i notice the difference in dps output and tanking vs a higher SP player. example half of mine are L3 and if i 1V1 sva L5 skills i notice it and as well when i fight vs a lower SP player who i out tank and out dps. people who say SP dont matter are those with all the SP imo. i discussed that with a player i lost from and compaired and also a player i won from and compaired the SP and the fittings we had. both losses and wins ware SP based since our fittings ware like the same. not saying that counts for everything tho. but SP do matter idd You are simply wrong there is a maximum point at which extra sp is doing nothing but giving you access to different ships or weapons systems. Once you have all v in your core skills/ those which directly apply to said ship of choice, there is literally nothing you can train (in game) to make your ship any more effective. A low sp character can very easily have those basic skills maxed (or close enough to max) and be on essentially even terms sp wise with a veteran.
The only difference at that point would be the players personal experience and understanding best how there ship operates. I don't care if you've got every skill in game at level 5, I could still roll a new character and in a few months of skill training start picking fights and beating said max skill character.
Now if you want to suggest that with very low sp you will be unable to challenge someone in a ship that clearly outclasses what you are flying I can give you that - but in this case target selection is your problem more than the sp difference.
Edit: reading againwhat you are saying it sounds like impatience and jumping into ships you aren't ready to fly is the problem. Ship classes aren't just designed for there niche they are the logical progression of things. By the time you are ready to fly bigger more complex ships the basic skills that make any difference in its combat capabilities should have long since been trained. |

Renegade Heart
Novus Ordo Universum
408
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Posted - 2015.02.21 08:00:44 -
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Rock Paper Scissors!
The first time I killed an assault frigate I was flying a t1 frigate with t1 weapons because I couldn't fit t2 weapons yet. I beat him still. Because my crappy piece of paper was better than his shiney rock! His t2 weapons never mattered in the fight because he could not hit me.
SP is not everything. |
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