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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
590
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Posted - 2015.02.20 22:05:50 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:BoomBoss wrote:JDC 5 ... near useless skill ... My Jump Freighter alt would like a word with you.
Your jump freighter still has a respectable range, along with its fatigue reduction bonus.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Hal Morsh
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
260
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Posted - 2015.02.21 01:00:15 -
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Ya know what....
Just blame PL because that's what everyone else does.
CCP - Outpost code is scary.
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PhantomMajor
High Flyers
The Kadeshi
21
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Posted - 2015.02.21 01:39:30 -
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When this game was created no one fore saw that capital ships would be in such abundance and because of their over use particularly by known hotdropper alliances something had to be done to curb this excessive use.
To date I have survived numerous nerfs including torps..."X" up if you remember when they had the same range as cruise missiles.
So in short: Over Come, Adapt, Improvise! Or die
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Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1047
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Posted - 2015.02.21 02:06:13 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:You were compensated for JDC skill with the ability for caps to use gates.
I'm going to allow this sensible, insightful non-troll post because you look like Maynard James Keenan, but be advised i've got my eye on you.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
312
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Posted - 2015.02.21 03:07:51 -
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A trained mining
WHERE MA REFUND CECEPEE!! |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Cynosural Field Theory.
1525
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Posted - 2015.02.21 10:26:39 -
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BoomBoss wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:BoomBoss wrote:6 months down the road now with this crappy jump fatigue stuff. Yet no word on compensation on a near useless skill for most. 53 days per char and 2 chars is 106 days kind of wasted skilltime now all caps go through gates.
When are we hearing something about skill compensation because of this? Do you even play this game? Jdc 5 is still a mandatory skill and even more important than before. What part of a heavily nerfed skill by CCP choice, so forced upon us, that takes ages to train which used to be useful? The skill training time is not even remotely in line with what it used to be. With a carrier, how often do you actually jump and how often do you travel by gate?
Depends on the operation, but we do both every day. The skill training time is absolutely justified. Someone with JDC4 can basicly not take part in any of our operations.
TunDraGon is recruiting!
"Also, your boobs [:o] " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
"When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
16131
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Posted - 2015.02.21 11:07:47 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Ya know what....
Just blame PL because that's what everyone else does.
grrr PL
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Iain Cariaba
1072
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Posted - 2015.02.21 17:53:10 -
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BoomBoss wrote:6 months down the road now with this crappy jump fatigue stuff. Yet no word on compensation on a near useless skill for most. 53 days per char and 2 chars is 106 days kind of wasted skilltime now all caps go through gates.
When are we hearing something about skill compensation because of this?
AFAIK, the only time CCP has ever refunded SP was when they removed learning skills. So, you can expect to see compensation for this when they remove JDC from the game. Until then, HTFU or GTFO.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
"This reminds me - I must complain to my local butcher about him not catering to vegitarians." - admiral root responding to someone whining about too much PvP in Eve Online.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
2006
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Posted - 2015.02.22 08:14:31 -
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BoomBoss wrote:6 months down the road now with this crappy jump fatigue stuff. Yet no word on compensation on a near useless skill for most. 53 days per char and 2 chars is 106 days kind of wasted skilltime now all caps go through gates.
When are we hearing something about skill compensation because of this?
I don't know what you're talking about. I Trained one more and am training another into JDC V. It's still valuable. |
Bahnny
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.02.22 21:38:48 -
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BoomBoss wrote:
With a carrier, how often do you actually jump and how often do you travel by gate?
Carrier's dont undock now. You silly.
It's post-phoebe, Welcome to interceptor online. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
4621
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Posted - 2015.02.23 03:48:48 -
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I trained both JDC 5 and JFC 5 to maximize jump drive performance.
Last I checked, I could still jump and bridge further than someone with JDC 4. |
JC Anderson
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1229
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Posted - 2015.02.23 09:10:40 -
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BoomBoss wrote:Soldarius wrote:BoomBoss wrote:6 months down the road now with this crappy jump fatigue stuff. Yet no word on compensation on a near useless skill for most. 53 days per char and 2 chars is 106 days kind of wasted skilltime now all caps go through gates.
When are we hearing something about skill compensation because of this? ... m8, you're a couple expansions behind. What ya mean? Carriers 5 LY max range. Jump timers that effectively reduce the jump capability which forces you to travel by gate when you get back in the game from close to highsec. How is that even remotely possible now? A carrier solo traveling by gate... should give a funny killmail. I have not yet seen a post about this jump fatigue being gone or heavily nerfed to respectable levels.
The originally planned jump fatigue changes were far worse than what was implemented. They toned them down a bit after player feedback following the initial announcement. As it stands, I highly doubt what is in place now will be changed.
What we have now IS a nerfed version of what was first planned. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point
Nulli Secunda
810
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Posted - 2015.02.23 11:09:13 -
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JDCV is even more important to have post phoebe. It can be the difference between a single jump and a dozen or more gates in some circumstances.
I want to be your representative for CSMX!
Please EVEmail me with any quesitons, comments or concerns you have about myself or EVE.
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Sodamn In-sane
Phorever People
0
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Posted - 2015.02.23 11:19:23 -
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fly sub caps only,
dump off excess accounts
stop buying plexs for cash
and listen to the great sounds and appreciate the extensive graphical advancements that ccp have loaded onto an already overloaded and failing network infrastructure.
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Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations
Nulli Secunda
231
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Posted - 2015.02.23 11:48:09 -
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JDC 5 means you can jump further, the jump fatigue just means you cant do it as often as you want. How you balance travel distance and jump fatigue is up to you.
I don't see why this equates to a case for compensation.
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
281
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Posted - 2015.02.23 11:54:22 -
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To be fair if anyone deserves compensation it's the poor shmucks that trained Titan to 5 and got in one. Beached whale is putting it mildly. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
127
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Posted - 2015.02.23 12:34:07 -
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Sisohiv wrote:To be fair if anyone deserves compensation it's the poor shmucks that trained Titan to 5 and got in one. Beached whale is putting it mildly.
What, they can still be the bus drivers they always wanted to be.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
1410
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Posted - 2015.02.23 13:01:55 -
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CCP is, for good reason, not in the habit of reimbursing skill points that players perceive as being less valuable. They only reimburse skill points that, due to a change made by CCP, genuinely serve no additional purpose.
The former is what we have here. JDC V may not seem as valuable now as it did before, but a player with JDC V can still jump further than a player with JDC IV.
Your real complaint is with the travel changes. You mentioned not being able to solo yourself into deep null with a carrier anymore. While annoying, this is intended. Get used to it.
My Many Misadventures
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I seek to create content, not become content.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
793
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Posted - 2015.02.25 10:50:50 -
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JDC V became even more important after the changes...
Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3?
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Faenir Antollare
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
352
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:11:01 -
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WOWs indeedy, I now hereby serve notice that I demand SP reimbursment for just reading this croc-o-crap thread.
Les
RiP BooBoo
26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014
My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
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Desudes
Adversity.
Psychotic Tendencies.
430
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Posted - 2015.02.25 13:58:36 -
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BoomBoss wrote:6 months down the road now with this crappy jump fatigue stuff. Yet no word on compensation on a near useless skill for most. 53 days per char and 2 chars is 106 days kind of wasted skilltime now all caps go through gates.
When are we hearing something about skill compensation because of this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-word
Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
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Daerrol
Furtherance.
32
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Posted - 2015.02.25 15:27:02 -
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Oh! To use JDC 5 you need a few things
JDC Prep List
We will need....
2 accounts (Get a friend if you only have one!)
a cheap ship
500 units of Liquid Ozone
A Cynosaural Field Generator
A jump capable ship with enough jump fuel
A system within the jump range of your jump capable ship
1. Fleet the two characters
2. Move the Liquid Ozone, the cheap ship, and the cynosaural field to the system you wish to jump to
3. With the cyno equipped to a high slot and the Ozone in your cargo hold, activate the module (Warning! You will be a target for some time until it finishes its cycle. Ensure "Auto Repeat" is off!)
4. Right Click your capacitor, select the jump option
5. Arrive at the Cyno. Clink champagne glasses together to congratulate the job well done.
I hope this guide aides you in enjoying your jump ship. Be forewarned I'm doing this all based on second-hand knowledge as I have never jumped a ship myself, I am assured the process is a simple one. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
1097
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Posted - 2015.02.25 15:37:03 -
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I want production efficiency 5 refunded also.
You are in for a long fking wait bub.
Yaay!!!!
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1599
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Posted - 2015.02.25 16:15:35 -
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baltec1 wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:You were compensated for JDC skill with the ability for caps to use gates.
Which is frankly a massive buff that made me want to train for capitals after 8 years of zero interest in them.
But you are baltec1. You can't possibly think the rabble would be able to even think like you now do you? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6546
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Posted - 2015.02.26 00:49:23 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:baltec1 wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:You were compensated for JDC skill with the ability for caps to use gates. Which is frankly a massive buff that made me want to train for capitals after 8 years of zero interest in them. But you are baltec1. You can't possibly think the rabble would be able to even think like you now do you?
Put a megathron in the carrier then ghostride it.
Name the megathron Super-Uber-Heavy Drone
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Jack Morrison
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
182
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Posted - 2015.02.26 05:44:31 -
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I feel a slight disturbance in the force around you and a weird smell.
I think i read all of the posts and didn't see the most important questions - stuff, can i haz it ?
I will even take care of your useless JDC chars (plus their stuff).
"This is nothing more than a rumor with no basis of fact. Hope that's enough of a confirmation for you guys. :)"
Coolstorybro
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