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Kojiami	Posted - 2006.10.07 13:37:00 - [1] The raven i'm aiming for is a gate camper and set up as such... I currently have an geddon (With tachyons, and decent modules). I have a little over 1 M sp, so nothing extreme. Said raven is purely set up for gate camping, nothing else. Any tips?
Kharakan Amarr GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.10.07 13:38:00 - [2] A long range geddon is most likely better, as missiles take time to hit - especially at long range. Originally by: ParMizaN evry1ghasb a limiy... ...and ijust reached it ahaha... this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer [limegreen]I a
Commander Thrawn Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2006.10.07 13:43:00 - [3] Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 07/10/2006 13:43:51 fit 7xtech2 dual heavy pulse with conflag 3heatsink II 2 plates and a rep as long as he does not have ew you will break his tank before he can kill you oh and cap booster in case you get nossed and run out of cap, got to keep those guns shooting
Kojiami	Posted - 2006.10.07 14:12:00 - [4] Can't fit conflags yet ; ;.
Nir	Posted - 2006.10.07 14:31:00 - [5] Damnit, the forums ate my post. Anyhow with your skills don't even think about engaging a Raven.. and besides what are you doing in an Armageddon so heavily underskilled? You'll only end up losing it.
Wotar	Posted - 2006.10.07 14:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Kojiami Any tips? Beg on the help channel? Only yesterday you had no isk because you just lost your Prophecy
Commander Thrawn Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2006.10.07 14:59:00 - [7] Originally by: Kojiami Can't fit conflags yet ; ;. ya i didn't see the 1mill sp :) well to be honest a raven is a very powerful ship. geddon is all about doing the most dmg possible and blowing the other guys before he can kill you don't fly it pvp until you have at least 3 - 4mill sp in gunnery. and at least BS4 the geddon eats cap with the rof bonus and really isn't ew friendly.
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2006.10.07 15:34:00 - [8] That Raven is out of your league for now. You are not likely to be much of a threat to him. When you get 2 mil or 3 mil SP you should have whats needed in skills to best him. Anyone who uses a Raven to Gate Camp has a lot of skills since Missiles take time to hit. ------------------------------------- Proud member of G Guild!
Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.07 15:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Majin82 Anyone who uses a Raven to Gate Camp has a lot of skills since Missiles take time to hit. Am I the only one who doesn't see the sense of this line? Gate camping = max distance of like 20km. A distance where the missile flight time doesn't matter really. Forsch Defender of the empire More love for side factions!
Siakel	Posted - 2006.10.07 15:39:00 - [10] Edited by: Siakel on 07/10/2006 15:41:13 Originally by: Majin82 That Raven is out of your league for now. You are not likely to be much of a threat to him. When you get 2 mil or 3 mil SP you should have whats needed in skills to best him. 2-3m SP isn't enough to properly, competently, or even decently fly an Armageddon. Originally by: Majin82 Anyone who uses a Raven to Gate Camp has a lot of skills since Missiles take time to hit. What does the fact that missiles have flight time have to do with the gate campers skills, be it playerskill or SP total? Drones take even longer to reach the target, that doesn't mean people that fly a Vexor are even more skilled than Raven pilots. Edit: Originally by: Forsch Am I the only one who doesn't see the sense of this line? Apparently not?
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2006.10.07 15:56:00 - [11] Not to many people use Missile boats to Gate camp cause missile travil time can mean the difference between killing the target and the target getting away. Also 3mil SP focused on PVP can make you a very powerful pilot. ------------------------------------- Proud member of G Guild!
Legende Two Brothers Mining Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:03:00 - [12] 1. Pulses are more dps, less cap, and easier to fit. 2. Your skills are way too low to kill a well piloted raven... or to be flying a geddon at all. I can kill a Raven 1v1 with my gate camping geddon setup, but I have more SP in one skill than you have total [Large Energy Turret 5, 1.28m SP] and I use a full rack of T2 mega pulse with conflag ammo and a truckload of armor to absorb the T2 missile damage, and it's still a close battle. You are a very long way from being able to take out a raven with a decent pilot.
Siakel	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Majin82 Also 3mil SP focused on PVP can make you a very powerful pilot. In a frigate. You need far more than 3m SP to be a good Battleship pilot, even in the Raven. As to the flight time comment, with level three skills a Torpedo takes 9-10 seconds to travel 20km, but a Cruise missile makes it in three or four seconds. Anyway, while Missiles have travel time, Turrets have tracking problems at that range, and some don't even hit that far. Still don't see what it has to do with the pilot being skilled.
Commander Thrawn Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:08:00 - [14] Originally by: Siakel Edited by: Siakel on 07/10/2006 15:41:13 Originally by: Majin82 That Raven is out of your league for now. You are not likely to be much of a threat to him. When you get 2 mil or 3 mil SP you should have whats needed in skills to best him. 2-3m SP isn't enough to properly, competently, or even decently fly an Armageddon. I said in gunnery not total SP and I agree, it takes more like 5mill sp in gunnery and techII guns. but considering he's trying to fly it with a total of 1mill sp i didn't want to discourage him
Siakel	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Commander Thrawn I said in gunnery not total SP and I agree, it takes more like 5mill sp in gunnery and techII guns. but considering he's trying to fly it with a total of 1mill sp i didn't want to discourage him That's why I quoted Majin82, who said 2-3m SP total.
Sergis Caldari Devils collective	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:16:00 - [16] Personally, with 1 mil SP total, you shouldn't even be flying a BS cause you dont really have anything else to back you up. For now I say leave the big ships until you can keep them alive with your pure knowledge of the ship (knowledge as in skill points). Armageddon is not a great ship to drive after only a couple of months of EVE. You want a ship that can fend for its own after taking a few hits so I say get an AF or an Inty. But come on people be realistic, I couldnt even fly a BS at 1 mil SP. ---
Commander Thrawn Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:24:00 - [17] Originally by: Sergis Personally, with 1 mil SP total, you shouldn't even be flying a BS cause you dont really have anything else to back you up. For now I say leave the big ships until you can keep them alive with your pure knowledge of the ship (knowledge as in skill points). Armageddon is not a great ship to drive after only a couple of months of EVE. You want a ship that can fend for its own after taking a few hits so I say get an AF or an Inty. But come on people be realistic, I couldnt even fly a BS at 1 mil SP. ha seriously that like only skills in spaceship command and nothing anywhere else
Legende Two Brothers Mining Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.07 16:24:00 - [18] Originally by: Sergis But come on people be realistic, I couldnt even fly a BS at 1 mil SP. My alt still doesn't fly a BS, and she's at 7.2m SP. I don't remember when my main was flying battleships, but the first was an Apoc for mining, back when it was the king of mining.

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