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Wanderlust
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Posted - 2003.10.27 19:50:00 -
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n/t
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2003.10.27 20:05:00 -
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Frigate - Imicus
Cruiser - Vexor/Thorax
Battleship - Armageddon/Apoc
*Worthy Mentions :
Cruiser - Omen/Maller
Battleship - Dominix/Megathron
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FaTBaStArD
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Posted - 2003.10.27 20:09:00 -
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Mining - you gotta go French (Gellente)
Frigate - Imicus with Drones Cruiser - Thorax 5 Mining Lasers 265 Cargo or Vexor 4 Lasers and 480 Cargo. BOTH carry drones. Battleship - Domi and Thron are good.
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DeathBySnuSnu
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Posted - 2003.10.27 20:40:00 -
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Apocalypse with 8X Miners and 10X Harvesters.
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SUNchaser
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Posted - 2003.10.27 20:58:00 -
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Sorry but domi rules for mining. it has better cpu, more cargo area, more drone space and cost half as much. It absolutely lords over a megathron for this purpose and though I haven't had the pleasure of trying an apoc out yet based on spec comparisons I imagine the apoc will be similar in experience to the mega and that experience was a not pleasureable. Sure it mined more ore per minute but you also had to baby sit it every minute too. I'll take the domi with the built in five minute breaks especially when mining 3/4 fours at a shot.
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Howjo Kaymar
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Posted - 2003.10.27 21:29:00 -
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What about Caldari Ships are any of them good miners
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.10.27 22:28:00 -
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Let me see.. Lowest amount of turrets. Little drones space. Naaaaa.....
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ClawHammer III
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Posted - 2003.10.28 08:08:00 -
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The fastest miner would defiantly be the Apoc as its the only ship able to fit 8 miners. But the overall best miner depends on your definition of ôbestö.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.10.28 08:42:00 -
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Apoc, 8 Miner II, 1 CPU (elec 4: 642 CPU), 6 18% expanders, 8-9 harvesters... With skills. 90m3/min per miner II 36m3/min per Harvester drone Total: (8*90)+(8*36) = 1008m3/minute Cargo bay with expanders: 1822m3
What's the problem? Dragging the ore every minute can't be that hard. If you time it, you can wait 2+ minutes too.
(Note: I don't mine, I've got mining 3, no Miner II's and no apoc. Pure math.)
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Zortiander
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Posted - 2003.10.28 08:56:00 -
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As always, there isn't a best setup, so stop asking for it!
The Thorax is fine if you're doing can-mining and are not solo. If you're solo and doing bistot mining, I suggest you either look the article up at our home page Syngery Industries, or you read the short summary on here:
For solo Bistot in 0.0 space you're gonna do fast raids, so you'll have no cans lying around. Ergo, you need a hefty cargo space. This is why the Thorax is not good for that, but you need a VExor or a Stabber. I prefer the stabber, mounted with a combi of injectors / cargo expanders in low, ABs in mid (and a shield recharger sometimes), as many miners as I can in higha nd the rest filled w/ missile launchers w/ defender missiles.
As a BS you can go with whatever you like, they are all fast compared to a cruiser, except the Caldari Ships imho.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2003.10.28 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Darkwolf on 28/10/2003 10:13:18
Quote: Sorry but domi rules for mining. it has better cpu, more cargo area, more drone space and cost half as much. It absolutely lords over a megathron for this purpose and though I haven't had the pleasure of trying an apoc out yet based on spec comparisons I imagine the apoc will be similar in experience to the mega and that experience was a not pleasureable. Sure it mined more ore per minute but you also had to baby sit it every minute too.
An Apocalypse has both larger base cargo capacity AND the same low slots as a Dominix. Not to mention two more turret slots.
My Apoc runs around with 1330m3 cargo, and I only use two (18%) cargo expanders. You can get its cargo capacity up around 3600m3 with 27% expanders.
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SUNchaser
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Posted - 2003.10.28 16:33:00 -
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the apoc loses a low slot to the cpu booster there for the domi has in reality one more. Also the domi can carry lots of heavy drones after the 10 harvies are already loaded. Yes add 60 mil worth of ce and for the money you have in your ship you could have 3 domi in the field mining. that works out to 18 lasers vs 8. As an individual you may prefer the apoc(like I have already stated I haven't had the pleasure yet) but from a corp point of view the domi is the way to go.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2003.10.28 23:47:00 -
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Quote: the apoc loses a low slot to the cpu booster there for the domi has in reality one more. Also the domi can carry lots of heavy drones after the 10 harvies are already loaded. Yes add 60 mil worth of ce and for the money you have in your ship you could have 3 domi in the field mining. that works out to 18 lasers vs 8. As an individual you may prefer the apoc(like I have already stated I haven't had the pleasure yet) but from a corp point of view the domi is the way to go.
a) Who needs a CPU booster on an Apoc? I don't use one. Eight Cu Vapors, no CPU booster. You might need one if you use Miner 2's. We'll look at that in a minute.
b) You have enough drone space to carry 8 Harvesters, 2 heavy drones, and 2 medium drones. More than enough to deal with high security pirates as well as mine quickly. While a Dominix can hold more, 1500m3 is adequate.
c) Show me someone who pays 3 times as much money for an Apoc as they do for a Dominix.
d) This is assuming you have unlimited manpower and limited funds. While you're at it, since you have unlimited manpower, just go out and buy 20 Thoraxes for the cost of an Apoc, and mine with them. 100 miners versus 8 :P
Now, onto mining speeds! Let's assume our Apoc pilot can't afford any Miner 2's, but our lucky Dominix pilot can. Note that you can quite easily fit six Miner 2's into an Apoc without any CPU's, and can get 8 in with one (without much else).
Skills: Mining 4, Astrogeology 3, Electronics 4.
Apocalypse:
8 Cu Vapors = 8*49*1.2*1.15 = 540.96 m3/min CPU usage = 57*8 = 456 CPU. CPU remaining: 84. 7 slots are available for expanders etc.
Dominix:
6 Miner 2's = 6*60*1.2*1.15 = 496.8 m3/min CPU usage = 80*6 = 480 CPU. CPU remaining: 240. 7 slots are available for expanders etc.
Well, well, what do we have there? The Apoc, EVEN WHEN USING INFERIOR LASERS mines significantly faster than that Dominix, can still use your 8 Harvesters, can still use the same number of expanders (AND have more cargo), and still has enough CPU left for some shield boosters and an afterburner.
It's obvious you haven't used an Apoc. Eight turrets beats six, straight up. Even when those eight turrets have worse lasers.
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SUNchaser
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Posted - 2003.10.29 15:07:00 -
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I wouldn't call cu's inferior. With a miserly 57 cpu demand they can fit into lots of ships a miner 2 has trouble. using a combination of cu's and miner 2's should give you a higher output yet on that apoc. As I stated earlier haven't had the pleasure o flying an apoc but it's high on my agenda.
the cost was in response to another post suggesting filling apocs low slots with 27% cargo expanders.
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2003.10.29 15:11:00 -
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Apocalypse is hands-down best for mining. Yes, you'll have to empty your cargo every minute, but you can still pull in over 1,000 m^3 of ore per minute. That'll fill the biggest indys in the game in 13 minutes.
Theoretical maximum ore per minute with an Apoc: 1,125 m^3. ---
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GraveDigger
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Posted - 2003.10.29 23:36:00 -
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apoc with harvesters :)
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