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Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:28:00 - [31] Originally by: spiralJunkie i'm pretty sure that propaganda aside, BoB had an Amarr Titan built in the summer. They just didnt feel the need to flop it out from what i heard, they were close, but it got popped before it could be completed... or was that someone else. either way, if BoB had one, we'd know about it, they'd be slapping ASCN left right and centre with it. however, i'd put my money on BoB getting the next one... that said, with them distracted by the war, ASCN might be able to begin the construction of a second one (since they appear to have had the biggest industrial base). ========================================== Iy
spiralJunkie Minmatar Eve Radio Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:32:00 - [32] Originally by: Grez Originally by: spiralJunkie Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: spiralJunkie i'm pretty sure that propaganda aside, BoB had an Amarr Titan built in the summer. They just didnt feel the need to flop it out Not according to CCP. people keep saying that. now i'm not hugely up on current 0.0 politics and so on, but apart from Kieron's congratulations on building a first titan (which is far off an official CCP announcement), has there been any Icelandic Word? Oveur congratulated them on the first titan on TQ in the huge thread someplace. i didn't know that, i'd only seen Kieron's congratulations. but is oveur congratulating someone REALLY an official announcement? the news story is, as someone pointed out, ingame RP. i'm just playing devil's advocate here due to a single t shirt _ The pundits in the studio are talking , and despite not knowing what any of this means I am riveted
Marnix Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:34:00 - [33] For those of you doubting that alliances will build fleets of Titans. Look what happened with Dreads. Did anyone guess that alliances and even single corporations, would own 30+ Dreads? Hell no. Titans will be even worse, because as pointed out they offer total security when used properly and in large enough numbers. Being stuck in the Titan is the least of one's worries tbh - its an advantage. All the Titans will be on alts or mains of the trusted leaders and them never leaving it will mean it cannot be stolen. And remote cyno bombing will mean the chance of them dieing is...minimal at best. Stay the fck away from my sig, thx.
Marnix Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:38:00 - [34] Originally by: evistin will get you 400 over Dreads or 600 over carriers, in terms of raw deployment of power, its not as effective to have 15 titians. Holding on to several hundread captial ships, can project more power and hurt more people for the same money. The main draw back is the logistics required to support it. Oh yes, 400 Dreads. 400 Dreads will need 400 pilots though, and 15 Titans only need 15. Would you rather have a fleet of 15 Titans and 385 Battleships, or 400 Dreads and no support whatsoever? Because VERY few alliances are capable of fielding 400 ships alltogether, including tech1 frigs and whatever. Oh, and give me an Interdictor and 50 Battleships versus that 400 Dread fleet and ill *****it. Stay the fck away from my sig, thx.
Khemul Zula Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2006.10.08 16:42:00 - [35] I won't pretend to know whether the ASCN titan was first or not. I have heard plenty of claims that it is not but since no one can really prove either way argueing it is a little silly. As far as I know though BoB hasn't claimed to have built one yet. All they've said is someone else did. Saying that CCP stated this was first is proof is rather silly. Hypothetically lets say someone else did build one first. Obviously they don't want this fact know (see Great Southern War for a reason why). Now since they don't want this known, logic would dictate that they don't care about being given credit for the first titan. Since ASCN announced the first Titan they will get the credit since the first builder gave up this right. It would be rather irresponsible of CCP to even hint that someone had a Titan in this situation since the real first builder doesn't want to be known. It's simple. CCP can't really say who built the first one. How would you feel if you spent months hiding this huge project just to have CCP tell everyone? CCP also can't tell ASCN, "Congragulations but an unknown party already built one." That'd be almost as bad and plain silly. ASCN announced it first, they get credit. Whether it is true or not doesn't matter. This is what history will see. "Everytime you mine Veldspar God kills a kitten."
xlop Gallente Yes no maybe - i dont know	Posted - 2006.10.08 17:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Khemul Zula I won't pretend to know whether the ASCN titan was first or not. I have heard plenty of claims that it is not but since no one can really prove either way argueing it is a little silly. As far as I know though BoB hasn't claimed to have built one yet. All they've said is someone else did. Saying that CCP stated this was first is proof is rather silly. Hypothetically lets say someone else did build one first. Obviously they don't want this fact know (see Great Southern War for a reason why). Now since they don't want this known, logic would dictate that they don't care about being given credit for the first titan. Since ASCN announced the first Titan they will get the credit since the first builder gave up this right. It would be rather irresponsible of CCP to even hint that someone had a Titan in this situation since the real first builder doesn't want to be known. It's simple. CCP can't really say who built the first one. How would you feel if you spent months hiding this huge project just to have CCP tell everyone? CCP also can't tell ASCN, "Congragulations but an unknown party already built one." That'd be almost as bad and plain silly. ASCN announced it first, they get credit. Whether it is true or not doesn't matter. This is what history will see. if it was not the first, they would not of posted well done for being the first. they would of just not said anything hope that makes sense, and its proof enough that they where the first and there are probably not any other titans ingame atm. -- Imperial College London FTW --
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 17:36:00 - [37] I can't help but chuckle at this thread, conspiracy theories for the win Eve Blacklight Style
xlop Gallente Yes no maybe - i dont know	Posted - 2006.10.08 17:50:00 - [38] Originally by: Blacklight I can't help but chuckle at this thread, conspiracy theories for the win thought you guys only get paid to post on the "Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions" threads. -- Imperial College London FTW --
zeKzn Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.10.08 17:51:00 - [39] Originally by: xlop if it was not the first, they would not of posted well done for being the first. they would of just not said anything hope that makes sense, and its proof enough that they where the first and there are probably not any other titans ingame atm. regardless of the facts, your logic is flawed. ____ Itty-Bitty Crow <3
xlop Gallente Yes no maybe - i dont know	Posted - 2006.10.08 17:55:00 - [40] Edited by: xlop on 08/10/2006 17:55:12 Originally by: zeKzn Originally by: xlop if it was not the first, they would not of posted well done for being the first. they would of just not said anything hope that makes sense, and its proof enough that they where the first and there are probably not any other titans ingame atm. regardless of the facts, your logic is flawed. no, if acsn did not have the first titan, CCP would not have posted anything, there was no need to if that was the fact but ccp did post, and they did say it was the first. but who the hell cares, at lest ascn use their real titan, bob or whoever has yet to use their imaginary titans -- Imperial College London FTW --
zeKzn Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.10.08 18:00:00 - [41] Originally by: xlop no, if acsn did not have the first titan, CCP would not have posted anything, there was no need to if that was the fact but ccp did post, and they did say it was the first. but who the hell cares, at lest ascn use their real titan, bob or whoever has yet to use their imaginary titans well, obviously you care, since you continue to argue. there was arguably a need to post, because if they had revealed the existance of a titan that the owners didn't want revealed, directly or indirectly, it would have a rather severe effect on the game, which they try to avoid. you cannot know what they would or would not do, nor what there was or was not a need for, unless you are them. ____ Itty-Bitty Crow <3
Torquemanda Corteaz Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.08 18:04:00 - [42] why are people still arguing the titan point? Don't you believe SirMolle when he said "when really dont have a titan really, sorry!" you think it was a lie and the secretly do have one in hiding and they built it first but are hiding it? look in the alliances forum, they made a thread detailing the siege of Tpar-g and let everyone know about the salughter of 76-1 battleships against ASCN a few days back (which is a great achievement btw, not trying to take that away from you) so the idea that BoB would keep the first titan secret is a bit silly, it would be very out of character. It's a titan a massive massive achievement why would anyone keep it quiet?
zeKzn Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.10.08 18:10:00 - [43] Originally by: Torquemanda Corteaz why are people still arguing the titan point? I'm pointing out flawed logic, I dont care whether the subject has been beaten to death, flawed logic should not go unnoticed. ____ Itty-Bitty Crow <3
Khemul Zula Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2006.10.08 18:14:00 - [44] Silence is about the worst option CCP has. This was a major news item, CCP could not simply ignore it. Silence would sent two messages to the player base, either someone has a titan already or CCP no longer cares about what happens in EVE. Both of which are not really good option. But as I said (if some people would actually read before responding), ASCN announced it first so it doesn't really matter who built the first one. It might have been ASCN, it might not have been. They will get credit for being first. "Everytime you mine Veldspar God kills a kitten."
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 18:44:00 - [45] If the party concerned do not want their achievement to be public knowledge, CCP will keep it quiet. But regarding the titan.. Quote: BoB does not have a titan BoB is not building a titan. BoB will never have a titan. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Dahin Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.08 18:58:00 - [46] /me shakes head 1st) The report means that ASCN requested the post and partially provided the text. This in NO way means it was the first titan build attempt or first completed titan. 2nd) Declaring to the world that you have a titan negates the surprise element, which can easily get you no less than 100 kills in 1 second. I consider ASCN announcement a huge mistake, but maybe it was forced since you can't exactly keep secrets down there. The fact is that we will have to wait a looooong time till we can say for sure who tried/built the first titan.
RescueBabe	Posted - 2006.10.08 19:19:00 - [47] Once you have the BPO, 1 Titan = 2 Outpost to build, how many Outpost does ASCN have built up to now? Yeah, i guess they will build many more Titans
maria stallion Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 19:24:00 - [48] in the end it will be not the question of who has a titan, but who has how many titans. But I still think the titan is very limited at this point.
Yaay Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.08 19:34:00 - [49] There are already more than one out there... infact, ASCN was just the first to go public about theres.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.08 20:39:00 - [50] CCP never said that they did a database query to confirm that it was the first titan. It could very well be the 10th titan, it could be just the first Titan thats been publically announced. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Himo Amasacia Minmatar Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.10.08 20:47:00 - [51] Thank you BOB alts. Stop stirring the brown stuff, ok? Untill theres reports of cyno fields exploding in areas other than ASCN territory then trying to diminish ASCNs achievement will fail. Just quit it. Your name does not contain a W and a shrub. Hell even your leaders have axnowlaged it so goddam stop it. you are just poaring the rest of the comminuty to death eith it rather than shooting them to death. Get back to what you can actually do. Ok? And yes CCP would keep quiet if the people involved asked them to. No they would not lie when someome else comes out with one. They would simply say they could not do that
zeKzn Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.10.08 21:03:00 - [52] Originally by: Himo Amasacia Thank you BOB alts. Stop stirring the brown stuff, ok? Untill theres reports of cyno fields exploding in areas other than ASCN territory then trying to diminish ASCNs achievement will fail. Just quit it. Your name does not contain a W and a shrub. Hell even your leaders have axnowlaged it so goddam stop it. you are just poaring the rest of the comminuty to death eith it rather than shooting them to death. Get back to what you can actually do. Ok? And yes CCP would keep quiet if the people involved asked them to. No they would not lie when someome else comes out with one. They would simply say they could not do that oh just shut up ____ Itty-Bitty Crow <3
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 21:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Himo Amasacia Thank you BOB alts. Stop stirring the brown stuff, ok? Untill theres reports of cyno fields exploding in areas other than ASCN territory then trying to diminish ASCNs achievement will fail. Just quit it. Your name does not contain a W and a shrub. Hell even your leaders have axnowlaged it so goddam stop it. you are just poaring the rest of the comminuty to death eith it rather than shooting them to death. Get back to what you can actually do. Ok? And yes CCP would keep quiet if the people involved asked them to. No they would not lie when someome else comes out with one. They would simply say they could not do that lol it's always BoB alts.... We can cause more tinfoil asshattery on our mains and don't need alts. We definitely do not have a Titan though. Eve Blacklight Style
Wotar	Posted - 2006.10.08 21:16:00 - [54] /me notices the bolding ^ the plot thickens...
Brenda Bloom	Posted - 2006.10.08 21:17:00 - [55] Originally by: Marnix For those of you doubting that alliances will build fleets of Titans. Look what happened with Dreads. Did anyone guess that alliances and even single corporations, would own 30+ Dreads? Hell no. Yeah, except you know, Dreadnoughts are actually useful and titans are entirely pointless without the cloning bays and jump hole module. The only reason anyone would ever want more than the 4 titans (for the bonuses) would be if they stacked, which I seriously doubt.
aggiedog	Posted - 2006.10.08 22:00:00 - [56] I would have to guess D2 would be the next ones to get one. I mean, what are they doing way up North anyways....... --------------------------------------------- Forum Wars!...Because the battlefeild is laggy.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.08 22:54:00 - [57] Originally by: Wotar /me notices the bolding ^ the plot thickens... A travling birdy told me that they have 3. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Phyrr	Posted - 2006.10.08 23:18:00 - [58] Originally by: evistin I do not think we will see fleets of titians anytime soon. 15 titians would cost about 60 billion per titian, thats 900 billion there. 900 billion will get you 400 over Dreads or 600 over carriers, in terms of raw deployment of power, its not as effective to have 15 titians. Holding on to several hundread captial ships, can project more power and hurt more people for the same money. The main draw back is the logistics required to support it. so by your measure and reasoning maybe we should all stay flying frigates? If we are talking isk value and relative numbers of pilots?
Jiara Castoumi Caldari Contract Accountancy Service	Posted - 2006.10.09 00:54:00 - [59] frigates > titans in firgates everyone has fun in a titan only one person has fun, if thats fun at all - Contract Accountancy Service -
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.09 01:30:00 - [60] Originally by: Phyrr so by your measure and reasoning maybe we should all stay flying frigates? If we are talking isk value and relative numbers of pilots? Well its more about the abilty to project power, frigates can't Battleships fleets can, but a few captial ships is all that is needed. ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide

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