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Jane Morozov
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:36:00 -
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I am writing this cause I have been seeing and reading allot of posts on why people wont leave High Sec or how to get people to move to low and null sec.
I would like to start out by saying I am in no way an experienced EvE player at really any part. My little over a year experience has largely consisted of me staying in training ques with whatever character I am playing at the time. Trying the little things around high sec such as mining mission running or ninja salvaging on one character. I prolly have played around on the character auction house as much as I have played the game. Mostly to try out different ships and hey I have a little extra money to spend why not get some plexes and play around with some different types of pilots.
One thing I have noticed is that whenever I have got up the courage to venture into Low Sec. It has always ended up with me paying the ultimate price, aka my ship being trashed and me getting sent back to high sec via the podded highway. Now I have never been against going to low sec or null sec if that option came to me. But I cant help to notice that the game doesnt prepare pilots at all to leave High Sec. Also most corps or alliances dont want to bother with people that have no experience. I strongly feel that this leaves people like me stuck in high sec even though with a little guidance from a vet or a corp to take us under their wing we could possibly turn into a great asset for them. Which also brings up the second part of this problem I am seeing. Which is how can you trust anyone in this game, if you dont know them IRL or have played other games with them in the past? Cause people like me seem to always hear about stories of corporations that recruited a guy just to blow him up once he started to get in with them just to grief the poor guy.
I really think that if you the community want to have more people out there in those places. You might have to take the burdon on yourselves to bring more people into your groups. Take noobs under your wings. Teach them how to properly pvp fit and make money out there. Yes CCP can change mechanics. But I believe that if some of the changes that low sec and null sec people put forward such as making high sec non profitable. It would have the opposite effect and just drive me away from the game. I cant say this would work for all high sec players. But I can say from my point of view this would at least help people like me that are stuck in high sec.
Personally I would love to be a low sec/null sec player. Just EvE seems to be a cold universe which friends cant be found. And without friends people like me dont stand a chance out there. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:37:00 -
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Join the recruitment channel. |
ROXGenghis
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:40:00 -
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Well your character has been around for about a year so I'm surprised you haven't heard of the many options to get you PVP'ing, and hence into lowsec and nullsec. In highsec you should talk to one of the Red vs. Blue corps or Eve University just to get started. Then you can start making contacts with entities outside highsec; there are plenty who will take a low SP character if they show willingness to learn. |
Alyssa Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:45:00 -
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Jane Morozov wrote: OMGWALLOFTXTBLAH!!
Whoa...like said in a Neo voice Whoah.
That has to be one of the most stunningly epic walls of text I have seen in these new forums.
How many hours did it take to type that behemoth out?
Problem is, I cant figure out what you said, because there is no way on hell I am going to spend a significant portion of my lifetime reading that gigantic wall of text.
But yeah, cool story bro ( i think )
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Ardamalis
Vanguard Corp Bounty Hunters
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:03:00 -
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Alyssa Yotosala wrote:Jane Morozov wrote: OMGWALLOFTXTBLAH!! Whoa...like said in a Neo voice Whoah. That has to be one of the most stunningly epic walls of text I have seen in these new forums. How many hours did it take to type that behemoth out? Problem is, I cant figure out what you said, because there is no way on hell I am going to spend a significant portion of my lifetime reading that gigantic wall of text. But yeah, cool story bro ( i think )
My my, since when was a mere 3 paragraphs too long to read? You clearly took the time to type out this post instead....
Back on topic: I kind of agree with the OP. I disagree with most forum warriors on these boards. I think many high sec players would love to enter nullsec/lowsec (based on my own experience from recruiting for null/lowsec corps also) but lack the foundation or connections to do so. |
Selinate
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:06:00 -
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you just stated what a lot of reasonable people have said many times over the past. Good luck getting it listened too over all the 12 year olds.....
It is the player's fault, not the game mechanics, that a lot of people never leave high sec. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:10:00 -
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Alyssa Yotosala wrote:Jane Morozov wrote: OMGWALLOFTXTBLAH!! Whoa...like said in a Neo voice Whoah. That has to be one of the most stunningly epic walls of text I have seen in these new forums. How many hours did it take to type that behemoth out? Problem is, I cant figure out what you said, because there is no way on hell I am going to spend a significant portion of my lifetime reading that gigantic wall of text. But yeah, cool story bro ( i think )
I hope you never take an IQ test because the result would be in single digits. |
Aethlyn
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:20:00 -
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Not sure on what others think, but there's indeed something true in there. Out of one and a half year of EVE I've been less than six hours in low/null sec or wormhole space. Why? Because most often it's not really worth it without contacts.
As mentioned, many keep suggesting to remove high sec. Indeed I'd go a different route: Change low sec, so it's open PvP but pod killing is still forbidden. "Why? Go away carebear!" you might ask.
I'll tell you why. What keeps people from low/null sec? I don't think it's the challenge, it's the binary result of playing there, that's essentially inevitable: win or fail. You either win in PvP or you fail, by not only losing your ship - your clone and implants as well. There's only high sec ("you'll most likely lose nothing") and low/null sec ("you'll most likely lose everything").
So why not make it so that you can lose your ship and equipment, but not your clone/implants in low-sec? What would people win? Easy answer: People that want to get into PvP could use low-sec as a step stone, without requiring switching corporations, alliances, etc. Also, this way they could try to make themself a name before trying to join any of the bigger low sec corps.
Once you've got enough money to buy some frigates, you could take them and head off to low sec to start roaming. Yes, that's possible now, too, I agree, however there's also the quite probable chance you'll die and not only lose the 20m ship but the 300+ m in implants, too. I agree with most here once more, once you've got enough money, losing 300 m isn't a lot anymore, but that takes time - lots of time. Looking for more thoughts? Read my blog or follow me on Twitter. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:21:00 -
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Honestly you have to really try to get podkilled in lowsec. It's already pretty much impossible. The only way to get consistently podkilled is if you're playing in a system that allows warp disruption fields. I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104 |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:37:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Honestly you have to really try to get podkilled in lowsec. It's already pretty much impossible. The only way to get consistently podkilled is if you're playing in a system that allows warp disruption fields.
i.e. not lowsec.
best way to not get podded is by getting a celestial or gate to warp to, and then GTFO just as your ship starts to break up (i.e. don't wait til you see your pod -- the little bit of lag between boom and pod would be enough to get a point on you). |
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Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:44:00 -
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Selinate wrote:you just stated what a lot of reasonable people have said many times over the past. Good luck getting it listened too over all the 12 year olds.....
It is the player's fault, not the game mechanics, that a lot of people never leave high sec.
It is 100% the player's fault. The player's fault for not being adventurous and learning how to do it :D Within a week or two of starting I had joined a small nulsec corporation and was out in nulsec. Now not everyone has to do it like that but that just shows you how easy it is if you just dont be a scaredy!
Yes some corporations might explode you, so? Do it anyways! Learn and do it. This is a game and infinitely more simple than most things in RL. Why are people scared in a game o_O
Ferox #1 |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:44:00 -
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Alyssa Yotosala wrote:Jane Morozov wrote: OMGWALLOFTXTBLAH!! Whoa...like said in a Neo voice Whoah. That has to be one of the most stunningly epic walls of text I have seen in these new forums. How many hours did it take to type that behemoth out? Problem is, I cant figure out what you said, because there is no way on hell I am going to spend a significant portion of my lifetime reading that gigantic wall of text. But yeah, cool story bro ( i think ) ?
WoT?
Holy ****, train reading comp higher than 1 bro...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
EL TITAN
Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:45:00 -
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its not an auction house - please pay wow |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:45:00 -
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Jane Morozov wrote: how can you trust anyone in this game,
You can't. In that, EVE has successfully simulated real life. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:48:00 -
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Aethlyn wrote:Not sure on what others think, but there's indeed something true in there. Out of one and a half year of EVE I've been less than six hours in low/null sec or wormhole space. Why? Because most often it's not really worth it without contacts.
Funny, I have several low sec moon mining ops and don't have much trouble. Talk to the locals, pay your rent, and you won't have trouble. Of course you can "go it alone" and tell everyone to f off and good luck with that, it's 40,000 players against, well, you. |
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
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Posted - 2011.12.02 00:51:00 -
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lol wut I was like, a week old when I went into lowsec, joined a corp (good corp), lost a few ships and was taught how to PVP and fit...
The issue is not the game it is the players.
TBH some people I tired to teach, and since they know it all... I just let em die and rage you tell them something... they get pissy and say you are worng... like lolwut... Most of the idiots in HS who can't learn lowsec, are just stupid, or just the ones who die... |
leavwiz
Firestorm Tactical Research and Development
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Posted - 2011.12.02 04:49:00 -
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i have been in a high sec, new player friendly corp for a couple of years now. we repeatedly hear the same complaint, with real time training NO new player can skill up to the level of the people planning to grief them. solo players and small (a few friends that play) corps dont usually have the resources to replace ships and gear lost to gate ganks. As a result, they stay in high sec space,
our corp is all but gone now. the same missions get old after a while (even when run with lower tier ships for amusement) mining is bot ridden and just tediious PI is now a waste of effort and expense for small players in high sec. So if you arent having fun in high sec you MUST find some friends in low, null, wh to hook up with, otherwise you will find yourself wondering why you are paying to do so little that is fun anymore. or you will just leave. |
Hann Athares
Eve Pilots Revolutionary Army
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 05:32:00 -
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supersexysucker wrote:
The issue is not the game it is the players.
TBH some people I tired to teach, and since they know it all... I just let em die and rage you tell them something... they get pissy and say you are worng... like lolwut... Most of the idiots in HS who can't learn lowsec, are just stupid, or just the ones who die...
to a certain extent this is true..ask any FC who has racked his brains trying to figure out how to make his instructions clear enough for everyone to comprehend ... to the point of typing in destinations followed by "set your destination to " followed by the link. Fleet gets 2 jumps and people are scattered over 5 systems and asking in fleet chat where to go.
Some of the potential teachers just get worn out on trying and don't wish to go thru that.
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Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
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Posted - 2011.12.02 05:52:00 -
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I dont know why there should even be a need to go to low/null sec. I mean, space is huge and Eve has tens of thousands of active gamers. Its a great thing that there are different options to experience the game.
Anyone trying to enforce a certain playstyle on others (and this also goes to the Developers) is actually hurting the game. If I were forced to move to low/null sec by gameplay changes or community behaviour (if I dont personally like to do that) now, I would rather quit the game than give in. There are things in Eve I have fun with and they contribute to the overall experience of all players, be it by providing stuff for the market or simply being a possible gank target in some remote system. Personally I 100% believe in the fact that Eve is the better game, because I and every other player can choose from LOTS of things what to do next, and not only by going to low/null sec as the next best or most rewarding thing. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
370
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Posted - 2011.12.02 05:52:00 -
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I rather enjoy highsec more than low/null. W-space is probably my favorite place to lurk, though. I need to get back out there again. |
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Selinate
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Posted - 2011.12.02 06:16:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:Selinate wrote:you just stated what a lot of reasonable people have said many times over the past. Good luck getting it listened too over all the 12 year olds.....
It is the player's fault, not the game mechanics, that a lot of people never leave high sec. It is 100% the player's fault. The player's fault for not being adventurous and learning how to do it :D Within a week or two of starting I had joined a small nulsec corporation and was out in nulsec. Now not everyone has to do it like that but that just shows you how easy it is if you just dont be a scaredy! Yes some corporations might explode you, so? Do it anyways! Learn and do it. This is a game and infinitely more simple than most things in RL. Why are people scared in a game o_O
Ok, for some reason this comes up in nearly ALL of the threads about this subject. Let me enlighten you on the subject a bit. You managed to get into a nullsec corp within a week or two of starting Eve? Either you...
A) Know someone in said nullsec corp already, and hence were able to get into the corp easily or...
B) Got into a ****** null corp who takes brand new players.
Looking at your alliance's killboard... yeah.. I'd say it's the latter. So please, don't act like it's the highsec player's fault for not wanting to jump into a situation where they're pretty much guaranteed to constantly lose. |
Jita Alt666
608
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Posted - 2011.12.02 06:21:00 -
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I agree with the OP. There are not enough avenues for a no mates solo player to actively prepare for playing in low sec or 0.0. |
Alain Kinsella
11
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Posted - 2011.12.02 08:36:00 -
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If you are currently that bored/worried about Null, I'd suggest you try some of the more 'hardcore' training options out there.
-> OUCH (look up the ticker) does Low-Null survival. If you survive & graduate, there are a number of PvP and other Null entities lined up to accept such people.
-> If you've not done so already, take Agony Uni's Basic class/roam. even better, continue to Wolfpacks (thrasher blobs). Great fun, don't need to leave corp, gives you access to additional 'Alumni' roams for free.
[I recently did their CovOps class, which includes tips and training on bubble camp evasion. Had a bit more 'live fire' experience than even Agony intended but I made it through in one piece.]
-> I've also heard rumors that "Pwned Factor" may be back. Another good corp to work under, and Eternum's a cool dude to boot (if a bit excitable at times).
Personally, I wish I had tried these options before ending up in Null a couple years back. May have tempered the politics bitterness a bit.
I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
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Posted - 2011.12.02 08:47:00 -
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Alyssa Yotosala wrote:Jane Morozov wrote: OMGWALLOFTXTBLAH!! Whoa...like said in a Neo voice Whoah. That has to be one of the most stunningly epic walls of text I have seen in these new forums. How many hours did it take to type that behemoth out? Problem is, I cant figure out what you said, because there is no way on hell I am going to spend a significant portion of my lifetime reading that gigantic wall of text.
Lol, can't even handle the time span to read 3 paragraphs?
Try this for wall of text instead.
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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.12.02 08:50:00 -
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You know its amazing how often I hear that noobs with no contacts can't get out to null, given the fact that I know roughly 50% of the corps in the CFC recruit noobs openly. Check the recruitment channels, corp adverts in game, and the recruitment forums and you see 0.0 corps recruiting all the time.
Now, we screen people based on attitude and other details, and every recruiter is looking for something else, but you can easily get out there if you hunt around.
Even if you join a fail corp/alliance, if your out there you can find a new home fairly quick, if you ask around. The non-noob friendly corp will generally look at you if you have demonstrated you can survive and contribute even if your still a bit low on SP. Someone has to fly hero tackle ;) o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Marcus Wilde
Meat Shields
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Posted - 2011.12.02 08:54:00 -
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Alain Kinsella wrote:-> I've also heard rumors that "Pwned Factor" may be back. Another good corp to work under, and Eternum's a cool dude to boot I think he's busy IRL atm.
My own story is, my old corp was getting wardecced to hell and it was also suffering from inactivity. It was literally safer for me in lowsec, so I got a few rifters together and off I went solo. Lost loads of ships like a noob, but I was actually enjoying myself and learning the ropes in cheap ships, and I realised that I'd been missing out. Pretty quickly I stopped losing so many ships and started getting a few kills. Ended up being -10 and living in Ami for about a year, I'm not doing the lowsec pirate thing anymore, kinda got bored of it I guess, living in 0.0 now. So yeah, it can be done, all you have to do is make the decision to do it and stick with it.
Tears + Bucket = Win |
Raikov Vanskenski
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.02 08:55:00 -
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Quote:]One thing I have noticed is that whenever I have got up the courage to venture into Low Sec. It has always ended up with me paying the ultimate price, aka my ship being trashed and me getting sent back to high sec via the podded highway. Now I have never been against going to low sec or null sec if that option came to me. But I cant help to notice that the game doesnt prepare pilots at all to leave High Sec. Also most corps or alliances dont want to bother with people that have no experience. I strongly feel that this leaves people like me stuck in high sec even though with a little guidance from a vet or a corp to take us under their wing we could possibly turn into a great asset for them. Which also brings up the second part of this problem I am seeing. Which is how can you trust anyone in this game, if you dont know them IRL or have played other games with them in the past? Cause people like me seem to always hear about stories of corporations that recruited a guy just to blow him up once he started to get in with them just to grief the poor guy.
*points to Dreddit* |
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.12.02 08:57:00 -
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@Jane Morozov
I think you have already noticed your "problem". If ou want to venture out into lowsec, npc nullsec or nullsec you need at least some friends. There are professions (especially in highsec) that can be soloed, but if you want to get a hold outside of highsec the best way is to join a corp.
There are a real lot of corps out there, everyone with their unique style of play and approach of the game. If you want to leave highsec, you should look for corps that operate much or a lot outside it or are planning to move in the near future. You could also create your own corp with your own goals and recruit some experienced players. Even if you can't trust them, you havn't much to loose. In the end, it's just a game. Any experience, good or bad, will help you.
How you can trust anyone? Hard questions You have to find out for yourself. There will always be someone who wants to screw you, but there are also a lot of great people to play with out there. Just start to search for them. I'm sure you will find a nice bunch of players.
I personaly like to stay in highsec. I had for about half a year a POS in lowsec and learned a lot about pirates and politics out there. Was a nice experience and I will certainly try it again some day. I'm more of a slow-going player in EVE and like it that EVE lets me play like that. |
Roime
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
40
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Posted - 2011.12.02 08:58:00 -
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There are absolutely no real obstacles to going to lowsec on your own, only mental blocks.
I started as a trader, but quickly got bored of the spreadsheet life, and decided I want to be an explorer instead. I realised even quicker that it's not worth it in highsec, too much competition. So I was a bit over month old when I took my Imicus and Vexor into lowsec.
I read everything I could find about d-scanning, local, gates, session change times, pirate strategies, fitting and whatnot. Spent time practicing the d-scan fu and EFTing T1 fits that could take challenge. Got my ass kicked, came back in another Vexor.
I swear I'll never forget the first time I completed a 4/10 in Old Man Star, killed the Overseer while in structure, escaped a gang warping to the site and took the C-type loot home through a gate camp, ship in flames, and totally pumped up.
I later moved completely into a nice, quiet corner of lowsec with my PI alt, explored the region and made always 10x more than I lost in the rare unlucky encounters.
Just do it.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.12.02 09:01:00 -
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Alyssa Yotosala wrote:That has to be one of the most stunningly epic walls of text I have seen in these new forums. What?
Try reading this, dumbass.
EDIT: Nevermind. Pak beat me to it, a few posts before me. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
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