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Praxor	Posted - 2006.10.11 06:38:00 - [31] Thank you all so much! After some changes and quick skill training ... >> MY FIRST KILL! << Me (Ferox) vs. an Arbitrator The guy came back in like 2 min with his Raven and almost tagged me. I didn't care to press my luck so waited out the 15 min timer amongst the rats & asteroids. I had to burn a few 800 caps to get it done though. Not sure if he was draining me, but I had two Med Nos's on him as well as Multispec ECM. Was able to steadily eat through his armor. Woohoo ... very fun. Thx again, P
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.11 16:51:00 - [32] chances are the arbi had NOS. This signature space for rent
DarkElf Caldari Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.10.11 17:20:00 - [33] Nice work buddy. Yeah without ur nos his nos would have made u struggle and every ecm cycle u got would turn his nos off making him struggle to tank. the ecm would be even more effective against a ship that's dmg didn't come from drones. DE
Flavia Clio	Posted - 2006.10.12 09:14:00 - [34] Grats on your kill. I really believe CCP made BCs as a cruel joke for people with less than 5 mill SPs. If you want to discuss moderation, mail [email protected], don't post it in your Signature. -Capsicum um...ok? Sounds great, thanks for the tip. - Flavia
merc999 Caldari Turbulent Subversion	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:51:00 - [35] Edited by: merc999 on 12/10/2006 10:53:11 My set up is a little unusual for a Ferox, but I have never lost to anything smaller than a HAC solo ,(Against a Thorax, Caracal and Brutix at the same time, made the Thorax warp out in structure, the Caracal leave in structure and the Brutix in low armour before it managed to finish me off ) Highs 5x named Assault launchers 2x medium "Ghoul" Nos Mids 1 x T2 invuln field 1 x T2 Photon scattering field langour web 20 km Scram 1 x T2 large shield booster Lows decent damage control (F85) 3 ballistic control Units. (If worried about ECM drop a BCU for a decent Gravimetric back up array) getting the missile skills up (esp. rapid launch, Missile projection and Missile bombardment) gives a great rate of fire at a decent range if needed, standard missiles hitting every 1.25 seconds do a lot of damage, (will be even better once I get T2 launchers, precisions and T2 BCU's (bout another week :() MERC999 Public Relations Director TBSV Keeping Empire and Syndicate ship builders in business
DarkElf Caldari Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:23:00 - [36] er what's so unusual about that setup? DE
Jadiin Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:10:00 - [37] Originally by: Praxor Thank you all so much! After some changes and quick skill training ... >> MY FIRST KILL! << Me (Ferox) vs. an Arbitrator The guy came back in like 2 min with his Raven and almost tagged me. I didn't care to press my luck so waited out the 15 min timer amongst the rats & asteroids. I had to burn a few 800 caps to get it done though. Not sure if he was draining me, but I had two Med Nos's on him as well as Multispec ECM. Was able to steadily eat through his armor. Woohoo ... very fun. Thx again, P What do you mean by waited out the timer with the asteroids and rats? Tell me you have safespots set up before you go pvpping?
merc999 Caldari Turbulent Subversion	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:30:00 - [38] Originally by: DarkElf er what's so unusual about that setup? DE 5x named Assault launchers 90% of ferox's I have gone up against insist on fitting heavy missile launchers, the rest sem to have fitted rails. I have yet to go up against another fitted with assaults.. Not saying they are not out there, just not common MERC999 Public Relations Director TBSV Keeping Empire and Syndicate ship builders in business
Praxor	Posted - 2006.10.12 16:05:00 - [39] Originally by: merc999 Edited by: merc999 on 12/10/2006 10:55:36 Edited by: merc999 on 12/10/2006 10:53:11 My set up is a little unusual for a Ferox, but I have never lost to anything smaller than a HAC solo ,(Against a Thorax, Caracal and Brutix at the same time, made the Thorax warp out in structure, the Caracal leave in structure and the Brutix in low armour before it managed to finish me off ) Highs 5x named Assault launchers 2x medium "Ghoul" Nos Mids 1 x T2 invuln field 1 x T2 Photon scattering field langour web 20 km Scram 1 x T2 large shield booster Lows decent damage control (F85) 3 ballistic control Units. (If worried about ECM drop a BCU for a decent Gravimetric back up array) I carry mainly kinetic missiles, with some EMP for those totally shield tanking and always have a couple 100 F.O.F in the hold Drones what ever you can use every little helps, I take Hornets and hammerheads getting the missile skills up (esp. rapid launch, Missile projection and Missile bombardment) gives a great rate of fire at a decent range if needed, standard missiles hitting every 1.25 seconds do a lot of damage, (will be even better once I get T2 launchers, precisions and T2 BCU's (bout another week :()
Complacency's Bane Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 17:59:00 - [40] Originally by: merc999 Edited by: merc999 on 12/10/2006 10:55:36 Edited by: merc999 on 12/10/2006 10:53:11 My set up is a little unusual for a Ferox, but I have never lost to anything smaller than a HAC solo ,(Against a Thorax, Caracal and Brutix at the same time, made the Thorax warp out in structure, the Caracal leave in structure and the Brutix in low armour before it managed to finish me off ) Highs 5x named Assault launchers 2x medium "Ghoul" Nos Mids 1 x T2 invuln field 1 x T2 Photon scattering field langour web 20 km Scram 1 x T2 large shield booster Lows decent damage control (F85) 3 ballistic control Units. (If worried about ECM drop a BCU for a decent Gravimetric back up array) I carry mainly kinetic missiles, with some EMP for those totally shield tanking and always have a couple 100 F.O.F in the hold Drones what ever you can use every little helps, I take Hornets and hammerheads getting the missile skills up (esp. rapid launch, Missile projection and Missile bombardment) gives a great rate of fire at a decent range if needed, standard missiles hitting every 1.25 seconds do a lot of damage, (will be even better once I get T2 launchers, precisions and T2 BCU's (bout another week :() I honestly think I could kill your setup in a brutix without you managing to get through my shields. Thats not hyperbole - I'm fairly sure I could do it.

merc999 Caldari Turbulent Subversion	Posted - 2006.10.13 17:04:00 - [41] Praxor the web and scram tend to stop folks disappearing too quickly :) As for ECM the gravimetric back up array instead of the BCU works well most of the time, Complacency I dont claim this is the uber leet setup or that it is unbeatable any ship can be taken down with the right tactic's/weapons/set up and well skilled/experienced pilot. I just think, it is a far better setup than the heavy missile set up that most Ferox pilots seem to prefer, Admittedly it is skill dependant to reach a decent rate of fire and range, and for folks who havent trained the relevant skills yet, a heavy missile set up would probably be better MERC999 Public Relations Director TBSV Keeping Empire and Syndicate ship builders in business
Praxor	Posted - 2006.10.13 17:07:00 - [42] But I could keep you at 15km and you wouldn't be able to web me. If it looked like you were out DPS'ing me and/or out repairing me .. I could move to 21km and warp away. P
merc999 Caldari Turbulent Subversion	Posted - 2006.10.13 17:23:00 - [43] Edited by: merc999 on 13/10/2006 17:24:19 Hopefully the dual named Nos would help , its hard to AB/MWD with no cap.. It is impossible to setup up a BC to cover every eventuality/tactic, this one works for me .. if it doesnt suit your style of play then adjust and amend MERC999 Public Relations Director TBSV Keeping Empire and Syndicate ship builders in business
Praxor	Posted - 2006.10.13 17:29:00 - [44] Originally by: merc999 Edited by: merc999 on 13/10/2006 17:26:15 Hopefully the dual named Nos would help , its hard to AB/MWD with no cap.. It is impossible to setup up a BC to cover every eventuality/tactic, this one works for me .. if it doesnt suit your style of play then adjust and amend using the assault launchers rather than Heavies also has one other big benefit, lots of Grid/CPU left to play with, so that helps if my set up isnt for you... Well, I'm a noob to EvE so it's all just interesting speculation for me at this point. Frankly, I LOVE the incredible diversity / reconfigurability of "toons" (eg., ships) in EvE. So, I also like these kinds of conversations. Is there a way to "duel" in EvE where we could test this out and not run the risk of one of us killing each other? I think it would be fun to test out these two setups head-to-head. P
Vladimir Norkoff Crimson Knights Trade Federation Thundering Mantis	Posted - 2006.10.13 17:41:00 - [45] Originally by: merc999 5x named Assault launchers 90% of ferox's I have gone up against insist on fitting heavy missile launchers, the rest sem to have fitted rails. I have yet to go up against another fitted with assaults.. Not saying they are not out there, just not common There are very good reasons for that too.. Most of which revolve around the fact that heavy missiles have a higher DPS, twice the range, and can easily be fit on the same exact build you have with decent fitting skills.. Assault Launchers may be handy for killing frigs, but really that's why you have a 25m3 drone bay.. Not saying Assault Launchers don't work, but heavies will be much more effective..
Maxamus Rex Caldari Nevada Space Salvage	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:05:00 - [46] Edited by: Maxamus Rex on 13/10/2006 18:06:10 Originally by: Praxor Thank you all so much! After some changes and quick skill training ... >> MY FIRST KILL! << Me (Ferox) vs. an Arbitrator The guy came back in like 2 min with his Raven and almost tagged me. I didn't care to press my luck so waited out the 15 min timer amongst the rats & asteroids. I had to burn a few 800 caps to get it done though. Not sure if he was draining me, but I had two Med Nos's on him as well as Multispec ECM. Was able to steadily eat through his armor. Woohoo ... very fun. Thx again, P I was your first kill wow, it was a good fight. But now I have to hunt you down with my Raven and spank you.
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:25:00 - [47] Edited by: Majin82 on 14/10/2006 19:29:16 Edited by: Majin82 on 14/10/2006 19:25:24 Here is something that I think would work well for you. Ferox 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher [36xWidowmaker Heavy Missile] 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher [36xWidowmaker Heavy Missile] 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher [36xWidowmaker Heavy Missile] 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher [36xWidowmaker Heavy Missile] 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher [36xWidowmaker Heavy Missile] Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Faint Warp Prohibitor I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I [4xCap Booster 200] Invulnerability Field II Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I 'Pandemonium' I Ballistic Enhancement 'Pandemonium' I Ballistic Enhancement Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II 3962 shield, 14.79/s, E/T/K/Ex=40/52/64/76 2406 armor, E/T/K/Ex=60/44/25/10 2425.5 cap, +15.66/s, -35.75/s This will allow you to run the Medium Sheild Booster constantly. The medium nos will suck him dry. The ECM will knock him out at least once. Also it has a warp scram. But this set up might be too skill heavy for you yet. Also, always remember to pack all 4 types missile in your cargo hold. That way if you notice he is strong vs 1 type you can switch it on the spot. Anyone care to rate this. ------------------------------------- Proud member of G Guild!
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:28:00 - [48] Edited by: Majin82 on 14/10/2006 19:28:07 Edited by: Majin82 on 14/10/2006 19:27:55 ^^^^^ My above post is what I have access to, it is very expensive gear, you can work along the same lines just not with all the $$ stuff if you can't afford it or don't have the needed skill to use it. ------------------------------------- Proud member of G Guild!
Praxor	Posted - 2006.10.16 14:24:00 - [49] I guess what I don't understand in these setups is the lack of speed. It pretty much eliminates your chance at catching a smaller ship (who would simply warp away before you got in range). I have pretty much an identical setup to this at the moment (cpt no invul field or bcus). I find that having a MWD instead offers me quite a bit of flexibility (700+ km/s). P
Natas Dog	Posted - 2006.10.16 14:57:00 - [50] Originally by: Praxor I guess what I don't understand in these setups is the lack of speed. It pretty much eliminates your chance at catching a smaller ship (who would simply warp away before you got in range). I have pretty much an identical setup to this at the moment (cpt no invul field or bcus). I find that having a MWD instead offers me quite a bit of flexibility (700+ km/s). P I find the MWD to be more of a nerf to overall combat capability than a boost. The cap nerf means your tank and/or DPS will be weak, and you still accelerate awful slow in a BC with an MWD going. Not to mention how hard it is to slow down if you miss your mark going 800 m/s with your lack of agility/stopping power. Add on top of that the signature radius nerf and you're easy pickings to anyone who can put up a decent fight(especially since your tank is nerfed to boot). I'd rather run with an AB or no speed mod whatsoever and just let the ones I can't catch get away, while bringing a lot more to the fight against the ones I actually get the jump on wherever I'm camping. I'm not a pirate though, I'm purely speculating from my point of view. If I were flying with a Ferox with an MWD though, I wouldn't expect to be able to take on other BCs or BSes. Caldari ships just aren't meant to be speed demons IMO, I've pretty much come to terms with that after trying out numerous setups on my ships. We can fit one hell of a shield tank though.



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