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Azia Burgi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.09 13:55:00 - [1] I was pootling about the other day when I suddenly realised that I was being cheated. "How so????" I hear you mumble. Well, can names. You can have hundreds of characters in can names but only 25 in ship names. Now surely having cans advertising stuff around gates with names so long you need an IMAX screen just to fit the name on causes more lag then a name for a ship that isn't displayed normally. My solution to the problem: Unanchor all secure cans, everywhere - if you use a can regularly you could go and reanchor it after the patch. Change the field length for secure cans to 25 Change the field length for shipnames to 256 (just so I can finally have a ship called "Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival" (yes i read a lot of Iain M. Banks)) Allow individuals to advertise on billboards on a system, constellation, regional basis - ie: if your corp operates in a certain region you could apply to have your services flash up on the billboards in that region. Obviously this would cost more than advertising to just one system or a contellation. You could even tie this into the new contracts system or something Anyway, my point is: can we have longer shipnames please? (i'll bake you a cake if we can) <insert flames on why this is not possible or whatever here> Play nicely now... Azia -------------------------------------------------- Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:21:00 - [2] I've often had to rethink my ship names after running out of space. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:24:00 - [3] Edited by: keepiru on 09/10/2006 14:26:04 Another Banks fan! Yes, give me longer ship names... I want: "Funny, It Worked Last Time..." <- fleet BS? "You Would If You Really Loved Me" <- favorite :D "All Through With This Niceness And Negotiation Stuff" <- screams blastership, doesent it? "We Haven't Met But You're A Great Fan Of Mine" "You May Not Be The Coolest Person Here" ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Nanobot Deviance Inc SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:27:00 - [4] Edited by: Nanobot on 09/10/2006 14:28:44 Edited by: Nanobot on 09/10/2006 14:28:18 Could always have GSV Death and Gravity or for that cap ship with clone bays - Sleeper Service Damn - I read to much Banks as well These are just the shorter ones, I don't want to bore all non readers. EDIT: as I remember Sleeper Service had a nickname as well, but I'd best not repeat it here. Shoot 1st, shoot some more, keep shooting, some more shot, and if anyones alive after ask a few questions. Just a soldier following orders.
Vladimir Ilych Hidden Industrial Group	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:33:00 - [5] No, it was the "Grey Area" with the nickname that could not be repeated here.
Azia Burgi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Nanobot EDIT: as I remember Sleeper Service had a nickname as well, but I'd best not repeat it here. I thought it was Grey Area that was called meatf**ker because it used its fields to mess with peoples minds. -------------------------------------------------- Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
MeGrand Gallente Thunder Talons	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:52:00 - [7] Gunboat Diplomat has allways been my favourate and i'd like longer ship names to encomapse the roman numerals i use so i've got e.g. --Juniors revenge III up to 17 on some ships All the right letters - just not nessacarily in the right order
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.09 14:56:00 - [8] Edited by: keepiru on 09/10/2006 14:56:03 I'm using Gunboat Diplomat, Death and Gravity and about 40 others as well... im running out of short names! ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
WisdomLikeSilence Knights of Red Mars	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:27:00 - [9] Bah! I wanted "Anticipation of a new lover's arrival" but had to stick with plain old Wisdomlikesilence. I want to use my robot-wisdo body!
elbenito Battlestars Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:43:00 - [10] I was rather disappointed that I couldn't have badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadger ad infinitum for my hauler's name. I had to settle for badgerbadgerbadger.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.09 15:48:00 - [11] i just barely fit "Kenworth Full of Luv" for my hauler(had to misspell love lol).
Quin Tal Expeto Libertas	Posted - 2006.10.09 16:19:00 - [12] Its true, there are anchored cans in belts by the hundreds in some systems, by gates from before Cold War patch saying 'this is X space, do not enter' when its been taken over like 5 times lol. Most of the corps who have advertising cans everywhere dont even exhist to this day.
Azia Burgi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.09 16:22:00 - [13] I always wanted a centralised database where you you could log your ship's name. I made a start on my website of trying to keep a record of my ships. I got bored . My Ships List (woefully out of date). I suppose now that I am learning useful things at college like asp.net and SQL I could make a dynamic one... Azia -------------------------------------------------- Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
Mark Lucius Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.09 16:32:00 - [14] Originally by: elbenito I was rather disappointed that I couldn't have badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadger ad infinitum for my hauler's name. I had to settle for badgerbadgerbadger. Do you cry out 'snaaake oooh snake!' when you get attacked...?
Nanobot Deviance Inc SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Azia Burgi Originally by: Nanobot EDIT: as I remember Sleeper Service had a nickname as well, but I'd best not repeat it here. I thought it was Grey Area that was called meatf**ker because it used its fields to mess with peoples minds. Ah yes, just picked up excession again. Ah well may as well read it now (been a while) GCU Gray Area Shoot 1st, shoot some more, keep shooting, some more shot, and if anyones alive after ask a few questions. Just a soldier following orders.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:12:00 - [16] Well, "Serial Peacemaker" fits in 25... __ Always question everything. Including yourself.
TheM101	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:28:00 - [17] i like poetic names my destroyer is called The "Aforementioned" my favourite ship name is visions in the sand although i don't use it very often it's only a frig i sometimes use slogans from shirts that i own for example I'm on loan from rent a friend if you can read this you are in roundhouse kicking range I am THE LAW! (judgedredd shirt :)) Yo mommas like a shotgun one***** and she blows
Edgars Sults LFC	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:32:00 - [18] You can't have long ship names because that would screw up the scanner. And ship names don't need to be sentences. They need to be just names. Short, understandable.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Edgars Sults You can't have long ship names because that would screw up the scanner. And ship names don't need to be sentences. They need to be just names. Short, understandable. Here's a ship name for you: "Another Fine Product From The Nonsense Factory" ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Jacob Holland Gallente FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 17:53:00 - [20] Edited by: Jacob Holland on 09/10/2006 17:56:53 Edited by: Jacob Holland on 09/10/2006 17:56:29 "If you can read this you're too close" Given that it would show up at 2AU on the scanner and more on scan probes there's an irony there I would however like to see the ship names space increased - if the game can name a ship "<character name>'s Minmatar Shuttle" then why can't I?
spurious signal Caldari Brainiacs	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:07:00 - [21] Lol, I've also been doing the same since I started playing EVE Unfortunate Conflict Of Evidence Helpless In The Face Of Your Beauty Just Another Victim Of The Ambient Morality Very Little Gravitas Indeed ...are a few I would like to use So yeah, /sign - give us longer ship names!
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:08:00 - [22] Originally by: spurious signal Helpless In The Face Of Your Beauty Sadly, I have not found a ship beautiful enough to warrant that one ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
G Dabak Magellanic Itg GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:08:00 - [23] It's only 20 isn't it? Either way, it should at least be 32. That's a real number there.
Peter Principle Gallente Bellum Aeternus Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:27:00 - [24] A somewhat complete list of Banks ship names: http://www.saunalahti.fi/~mjhuur1/projects/banks/ships.html My current destroyer is called "Suicide Run". It's completly accurate. I do, however, agree with the OP - Make a billboard a billboard and a cargo container a cargo container.
Azia Burgi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:28:00 - [25] Originally by: keepiru Originally by: spurious signal Helpless In The Face Of Your Beauty Sadly, I have not found a ship beautiful enough to warrant that one you could ironically name an osprey or a nightmare. my daredevil is called Prudence IsOverated. Azia -------------------------------------------------- Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
Azia Burgi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:32:00 - [26] i completely forgot about GCU Ultimate Ship The Second. amazingly ironic. Azia -------------------------------------------------- Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
Tobias Raddick Caldari Raddick Explorations Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:39:00 - [27] I, too, know the pain of having to shorten ship names. Although I could fit 'Twilight is y Robe' and 'Black Rose Immortal' I could not fit 'Suspicious of the motives and virtues of others', nor could I fit 'The Last Leaf of Autumn'. Longer ship names please!
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:57:00 - [28] I wanted to write something witty or funny in here but I couldn't think of anything. There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.09 18:59:00 - [29] Originally by: ThaMa Gebir I wanted to write something witty or funny in here but I couldn't think of anything. This would make a great Banks-style ship name! ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
spurious signal Caldari Brainiacs	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:21:00 - [30] Originally by: keepiru Originally by: spurious signal Helpless In The Face Of Your Beauty Sadly, I have not found a ship beautiful enough to warrant that one I don't think the ship itself should be beautiful to have that name. I see it as the ship saying that.. so maybe it would be referring to me, us Caldari are uncommonly attractive you know
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:26:00 - [31] I would like longer ship names too. My Raven is P.D.C.L., because I couldn't fit Post Dated Cheque Loan (due to the huge amounts of isk I owed out, that the ship was to (and has) earned and payed off). Some of Reynolds ship names were quite cool too. Will have to check out Banks though. What's a good one to start with? Akkarin Linkage <3 - Immy
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:29:00 - [32] Consider Phleabas :) ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Intigo Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:37:00 - [33] Edited by: Intigo on 09/10/2006 19:37:43 I had no trouble fitting "Kwisatz Haderach"! <3 Dune -- Small-time pirate. Upgraded from trial account as of 14th September 2006. Loving every part of EVE so far. \o/ Low SP piracy
Gresin	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:39:00 - [34] Speaking of Banks: "Tonight we dance in the light of past mistakes!"
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:40:00 - [35] Originally by: keepiru Originally by: ThaMa Gebir I wanted to write something witty or funny in here but I couldn't think of anything. This would make a great Banks-style ship name! Damn, I never noticed that. There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy
loony thezoon	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:42:00 - [36] Of all the great Iain m. Banks ship names, 'frank exchange of views' was the best fighting ship name. 'Grey area' is in second place Not to forget 'I blame your mother'
spurious signal Caldari Brainiacs	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:43:00 - [37] Originally by: loony thezoon Not to forget 'I blame your mother' And it's sister ship, 'I blame MY mother'
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:50:00 - [38] Originally by: loony thezoon Of all the great Iain m. Banks ship names, 'frank exchange of views' was the best fighting ship name. I've always been fod of "Just Another Victim Of The Ambient Morality"... "So Much For Subtlety" is my brutix :) ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Azia Burgi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:50:00 - [39] Originally by: keepiru Consider Phleabas :) i prefered excession (sp?) Originally by: Akkarin Pagan Some of Reynolds ship names were quite cool too. My first Caracal was called the Nostalgia For Infinity Azia -------------------------------------------------- Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
Rana Ash Minmatar Aeon Trinity	Posted - 2006.10.09 19:56:00 - [40] Iain is great when it comes to names And i will add my vote to the longer ship name thing, will save me from having to rethink names. Now i'm stuck with short stuff like, not invented here or drama queen.. ¦on Trinity is recruting, inquire within for details lyret dedreen
Gloria Stitz	Posted - 2006.10.09 20:02:00 - [41] Originally by: keepiru Edited by: keepiru on 09/10/2006 19:51:27 Originally by: loony thezoon Of all the great Iain m. Banks ship names, 'frank exchange of views' was the best fighting ship name. I've always been fod of "Just Another Victim Of The Ambient Morality"... "So Much For Subtlety" is my brutix :) Originally by: Azia Burgi Originally by: keepiru Consider Phleabas :) i prefered excession (sp?) Excession is good. So is Look to Windward. But imo Consider Phleabas should be read 1st :) I agree on your choice of first IMB book to read, but his two greatest works are 'Use of Weapons' and Player of Games' in that order. 'Use of Weapons' is probably the finest sci-fi novel I have ever read, and I've read most authors in the genre. Frank Herbert is probably the only writer who can stand shoulder to shoulder with IMB for imagination and literary ability.
Talbot Banyan Caldari Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.09 20:37:00 - [42] While we're at it..I'd like to be able to set the overview to show ship names rather than player names. I understand that would open a person up to being fooled by someone using ship naming to try to trick you - but I like the immersion of it. I'd much rather know that the Nostromo is on approach rather than who's piloting it! "So uh I-Uh-just came up looking for this Banyan -" "Well then you have found him Mushspine, ---I AM BANYAN!!!!"
Gloria Stitz	Posted - 2006.10.09 20:44:00 - [43] Originally by: Talbot Banyan While we're at it..I'd like to be able to set the overview to show ship names rather than player names. I understand that would open a person up to being fooled by someone using ship naming to try to trick you - but I like the immersion of it. I'd much rather know that the Nostromo is on approach rather than who's piloting it! Nostromo - nice one A great ship from a great film. Unfortunately the source isn't great. If you ever read the novel, make sure you aren't standing up or you may hurt yourself when you fall asleep. I keep a copy of 'nostromo' next to my bed in case I can't get to sleep at night - joseph Conrad is the most boring author of all time. 20 pages describing a boring scene, 1 sentence of dialogue, another 20 pages describing the same scene etc.,. I started reading Nostromo about 20 years ago and have never got beyond halfway - still don't really know wtf its about
Luigi Thirty Caldari Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.09 21:02:00 - [44] Their ship names are probably stored as the type with a 25 character limit, making increasing it need a lot of database-mucking to do. I guess Valar could clear that up. ---- This is a sig. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.09 21:31:00 - [45] Yes please! --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period. Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.09 23:07:00 - [46] /me casts Summon: Valar on thread ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Rumbaar Solitary Forsaken	Posted - 2006.10.10 00:21:00 - [47] Yeah it's a funny restriction too. As if you make active a ship with a long name plus the players name it will be longer than the current player allowable maximum name. So it's not a display or database issue, 'cause it's possible now to have a default name longer. ___________________ Custom banner? Click above or EVEmail
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.10 00:28:00 - [48] yea, its not a hard limit, every one of my ships exceeds what it allows you to type manually. Its frustrating, sometimes I want to rename my curse to be my arbitrator, but after deleting curse, I cannot type anything. My RL friend was able to rename his harpy to be his merlin, and he gets all sorts of free kills because of it but cooler names is more fun also. Originally by: Tuxford Yes we don't play on our main accounts simply because you would lose all respect for us
MrShooter Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.10 00:36:00 - [49] A Scorpion named "Please don't call me primary please don't call me primary please don't call me primary" would be nice. If ineffective
Azia Burgi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.10 01:13:00 - [50] i started to make a list of all the shipnames i wanted to use and forgot to log in. been sat on the login screen for about 3 hours and now i've just realised i can't really be bother to type up the names out of my notebook.... Originally by: Talbot Banyan While we're at it..I'd like to be able to set the overview to show ship names rather than player names. I understand that would open a person up to being fooled by someone using ship naming to try to trick you - but I like the immersion of it. I'd much rather know that the Nostromo is on approach rather than who's piloting it! I seem to remember an option in the overview settings where you could turn on the shipname. but that only worked when you hovered the cursor over it. Azia -------------------------------------------------- Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
Lurtz Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers	Posted - 2006.10.10 04:54:00 - [51] I really wanted to name my Mackinaw "Snoopy's Super Snowcone Maker"
franny Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.10.10 05:30:00 - [52] would be nice if nothing else I could put the spaces into my domi's name 'DrunkenCow onSkates3'(i'd prefer the roman numerals too) becomes 'Drunken Cow on Skates III'
Sgt Blade Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.10 07:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Azia Burgi My solution to the problem: Unanchor all secure cans, everywhere - if you use a can regularly you could go and reanchor it after the patch. Change the field length for secure cans to 25 Change the field length for shipnames to 256 (just so I can finally have a ship called "Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival" (yes i read a lot of Iain M. Banks)) [/*] Azia but with 25 length to a can you can still name it somthing like, XXX are recruiting or XXX pwns this system noob
Xs 142	Posted - 2006.10.10 07:51:00 - [54] I just give my ships serial numbers, it's easieer On that matter; My name derives from the name of the first HDD I ever owned Originally by: Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
Rick Dentill Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.10 07:54:00 - [55] Originally by: Rodj Blake I've often had to rethink my ship names after running out of space. Aye me too, really honks me off. _______ http://x-universe.kiwi.nu/page.php?id=dd
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.10.10 08:04:00 - [56] /signed
Mishaet	Posted - 2006.10.10 08:11:00 - [57] Totally agree, longer ship names would be great. So good to see that there are other proud fans of Mr Banks. So far my ships have been called: ROU Killing Time (Punisher) ROU PassiveAgressive (Coercer) ROU Pretty Penny (Omen, my tractor beam can collecter, should rename to VFP I think) ROU Saving Face (Maller) ROU Heavy Petting (Prophecy) Still thinking about what to call my BS when I can finally afford one. I've stuck to ROU's so far as it seemed to fit, if I should ever get so far as a carrier I might use LSV. I also agree the book Consider Phlebas as the best place to start in the Culture novels, it's a great read. Top of my list though Use of Weapons and Excession are neck and neck. Don't forget his fiction though, those are excellent too. Still haven't cound a corp called 'Special Circumstances', might have to start that one up myself...
fivetide humidyear Gallente The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2006.10.10 08:43:00 - [58] Speaking of Mr Banks, I was very un-original on my character name. Consider Phlebas was his first book and a great starting point, but Excession, Use of Weapons and Player of games are the best (not that any are bad) Some ship names of the top of my head Tranis - Killing time Dominix - Grey Area Brutix - Gunboat diplomat Thorax - Attitute Adjustor Occator - Yawning Angel Viator - Sleeper service Megathron - Limiting factor etc etc But yes, please give us longer names. 5
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.10 08:57:00 - [59] Well, lots of Culture fans here. Some from Niven: Hot Needle of Inquiry (already in use, a Tristan) Lying Bastard (ideal for a battle indy if I ever set one up) Lazy Eight I (write an 8 on its side) Slower than Infinity Long Shot (maybe some sort of scouting ship?) Sorry if one of the names hits the filter. ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." ----------------------------------------------
Azia Burgi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.10 10:11:00 - [60] Originally by: Sgt Blade but with 25 length to a can you can still name it somthing like, XXX are recruiting or XXX pwns this system noob yes, but they will be shorter. the whole point of this thread is so we can have longer shipnames. can spam reduction is a happy byproduct . Originally by: Mishaet Still haven't cound a corp called 'Special Circumstances', might have to start that one up myself... There used to be a corp called Contact Special Circumstances (ticker: CONSC). They kind of drifted apart though. which was a shame. Azia -------------------------------------------------- Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
Mikal Drey Angels and Demons	Posted - 2006.10.10 10:53:00 - [61] hey hey I really wanted my Fleet Stabber to be called "dont you wish your ship was hot like mine" but it wouldnt fit :(
Xaviar Onassis Iyen-Oursta Salvage	Posted - 2006.10.10 12:14:00 - [62] All those Iain M. Banks ship names and you missed off my absolute favourite... Can't get it quite right, as it's supposed to be written in a smaller-than-usual font, or whispered when spoken, but it's I said, I've got a big stick. Doesn't fit, either, though. XO --- If I win your auction, please evemail me to let me know.
Keleth	Posted - 2006.10.10 12:35:00 - [63] Originally by: Rumbaar Yeah it's a funny restriction too. As if you make active a ship with a long name plus the players name it will be longer than the current player allowable maximum name. So it's not a display or database issue, 'cause it's possible now to have a default name longer. It's not a display issue, but it probably is a database issue. <username>'s <ship> is what you get when the name field in the database is blank. This is easily demonstrated by the fact that you can't give a ship a name that already exists, but if you unpack a Caldari Shuttle, it'll say "Rumbaar's Caldari Shuttle", and if you then unpack another Caldari Shuttle, it'll also say "Rumbaar's Caldari Shuttle". Keleth
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.10 14:39:00 - [64] Ok, so the game can display ship names longer than 25 but the DB cant store them... Vaaaalaaaaar, fiixxx iiit! ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Stratharn	Posted - 2006.10.10 22:59:00 - [65] I called my BC Schadenfreude in the end, but a Banks style name would be ideal. I was going through all the old British Ships of the Line names for a while, but that got a bit dull. :) Rob http://www.chainblade.com/
elbenito Battlestars Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.10 23:18:00 - [66] Originally by: Mark Lucius Originally by: elbenito I was rather disappointed that I couldn't have badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadger ad infinitum for my hauler's name. I had to settle for badgerbadgerbadger. Do you cry out 'snaaake oooh snake!' when you get attacked...? How'd you know? Must... change... tactics!
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.10 23:23:00 - [67] ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!

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