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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.07 23:29:00 -
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Necrotastic! IBTL \o/
Originally by: Athren Soulsteal Ok first of the ôThe players are the content and EVE is a sandboxö statements are BS and a cop out.
In Counter Strike, Battlefield, Call of Duty, heck name a game, the players are the content and the game is the sand box but EVEY one of those games where the players are the content are FREE to play.
IF you bought EVE and never paid to play it then and ONLY then can you use that argument.
We pay monthly to be entertained each and every month. We donÆt pay to entertain others or CCP.
ItÆs as simple as throwing a few sheckels into a hat and saying ôDance monkey boy dance!ö The monkey boy entertains us because we paid him. Some how with EVE the monkey boy (CCP) has convinced us to pay him and then dance for him, we are paying to entertain not be entertained and how and why we continue to pay and dance for the monkey boy is mind boggling.
However I do know why we do it, itÆs because the Monkey boy said that if we just do it for a little longer we would see him do something truly amazing. We continue to pay to entertain in EVE for that exact reason, because CCP has dangled a carrot in front of us and said, we will finally be adding in all the things we promised when EVE went live.
Oh BTW they lied, look at Revelations (Kali) and what they are offering. Instead of giving us Branding and reverse engineering they are using smoke and mirrors and trying to pass off Invention and rigging as a suitable replacement, they are not.
I have quit EVE 3 times (and donated all my stuff to my corp) because of these tactics, so far I have not seen anything on the test server to persuade me to keep playing for EVE 0.7
You may consider it odd but to me if IÆm paying for the Monkey Boy to dance, CCP should be saying ôdo you want to see a jig or river dance?ö 
^^^^By the by, is truly flame worthy. If only I did that kind of thing. -----------------------------------------------
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Soporo
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Posted - 2006.11.08 00:09:00 -
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Of COURSE we pay for expansions and upgrades...
We just pay in the forums,over and over and over...
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Antzor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.08 01:14:00 -
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If you want ****ty rushed half ass content then go buy/play an EA game. Otherwise stop whining and expecting CCP to cater to your desire for more stuff, and try to actually enjoy the current game.
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Anatolius
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.08 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Athren Soulsteal Ok first of the ôThe players are the content and EVE is a sandboxö statements are BS and a cop out.
In Counter Strike, Battlefield, Call of Duty, heck name a game, the players are the content and the game is the sand box but EVEY one of those games where the players are the content are FREE to play.
IF you bought EVE and never paid to play it then and ONLY then can you use that argument.
Comparing random FPS games to a MMOG and then arguing about price is asinine at best. Please reveal to me the home computer that is capable of running an instance of the EVE universe. One of, if not the, largest gaming clusters on the planet is having trouble with it at the moment. 
Originally by: Athren Soulsteal However I do know why we do it, itÆs because the Monkey boy said that if we just do it for a little longer we would see him do something truly amazing. We continue to pay to entertain in EVE for that exact reason, because CCP has dangled a carrot in front of us and said, we will finally be adding in all the things we promised when EVE went live.
You speak for yourself, not for the playerbase.
Originally by: Athren Soulsteal Oh BTW they lied, look at Revelations (Kali) and what they are offering. Instead of giving us Branding and reverse engineering they are using smoke and mirrors and trying to pass off Invention and rigging as a suitable replacement, they are not.
Smoke and mirrors requires a distinct lack of transparency. CCP has been very transparent in what they're doing with regard to development of EVE.
Of course, with transparency comes the risk that some people will confuse thoughts and ideas on future directions for 'promises'.
Originally by: Athren Soulsteal I have quit EVE 3 times (and donated all my stuff to my corp) because of these tactics, so far I have not seen anything on the test server to persuade me to keep playing for EVE 0.7
You may consider it odd but to me if IÆm paying for the Monkey Boy to dance, CCP should be saying ôdo you want to see a jig or river dance?ö 
The fact of the matter is that your mere pittance of a monthly payment does not give you the right or ability to dictate to CCP how the game should be developed. The game is theirs; if you don't like it, don't play. Your subscription fee grants you the privilege of playing; nothing more.
"If God be for us, whom can be against us?" |

Miss Overlord
Gallente EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.11.08 02:45:00 -
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content in the eye of the beholder it is
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Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.11.08 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 08/11/2006 03:25:23 I don't care when the next expansion is so long it has system-wide asteroid belts in them...
A man can dream right? 
PS: Thread necromancy is frowned upon.
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MurderCityDevil
HariKari And Combines
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Posted - 2006.11.08 03:57:00 -
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Try playing Planetside if you want nonexistent Devs.
EVE kicks arse.
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Wolfways
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.08 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Slash Harnet
Originally by: Lord Sid You might not know this, but any other MMORPG charges for expansions. CCP releases expansion free of charge.
You can just lock the thread now, you can't argue with the truth. Late > Paying.
What? Free expansions?! In a game that only costs about an extra ú2/month more than most other MMO's?!! How on earth do they manage it?!!! 
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Ekscalybur
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Posted - 2006.11.08 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fuujin I'd be far more then willing to pay for an expansion if it came out on time and relatively bug free.
Since when do paid for expansions come out on time??
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Mrmuttley
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2006.11.08 09:39:00 -
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What i find funny on the forums is that some people, especially in threads like this one, give the impression of really disliking the game. Then you look up their details and they have been in the game over a year I think to myself "why are you still paying" If it were as bad as some people make out then it would be like a person walking home after work every day and always going in to the same fast food shop and saying "You're burgers in here are rubbish. the meat is off the bun is always stale and theres never enough mayonnaise. And the burger shop down the road is cheaper." as you hand over your ú5 just like you did yesterday.
/me thinks that people like whining almost as much as I like blowing stuff up in game    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Uggster
Caldari Never'where
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Posted - 2006.11.08 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ekscalybur
Originally by: Fuujin I'd be far more then willing to pay for an expansion if it came out on time and relatively bug free.
Since when do paid for expansions come out on time??
Not to mention they are also buggy as hell AND you have just shelled out for them.
Still I wish CCP would rush out more things and make the server grind to a halt almost every night, then I could moan on the forums instead of beating my children in the celler like I have to do now.
So please CCP, for the sake of the children, rush out a crappy expansion. _______________________________________________
Sig removed as inappropriate- Tirg
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Joerd Toastius
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2006.11.08 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 10/10/2006 08:27:15 I hope the improved system scanning and exploration will really improve the current Eve. And i want to be able to find people and warp to them much easier.
It will have lots of bugs when it comes, but log on the test server and help find them. It doesnt take long to run a few missions, explore some of the complexes, try out the system scanning and then file a bug report.
It's shaping up nicely. It still needs some work IMO, but the basics are all there, it just needs polish and tweakage.
Originally by: Athren Soulsteal We pay monthly to be entertained each and every month.
Uh... no. You pay monthly to use the service "as is". The entertainment is up to you.
@ Everyone else in the thread, ten months/a year and you're complaining? Try two and a half years without a single patch or update of any description :P
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Mantees
Gallente Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.08 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Mantees on 08/11/2006 14:24:23 Sometimes I don't understand the people. They can spend hours on a forum complaining about something they don't like, but if someone else post once telling the only worry he has about the game, then he is a troll.
I see the point of the original poster and of many others. The EVE Online development cycle is sometimes not comparable with other top quality MMORPGs. I think I can see some of the reasons:
1) The EVE team is small compared to the WOW or EQ2 ones, so when they are busy doing something like preparing a new cluster for China, they cannot invest the usual amount of time in developing new content. 2) being Kali a consistent code change, at some point the Devs decided that, for easier quality control, any other modification to the game would have been done on the Kali code, and not on the EVE code running on Tranquility. This made so that a lot of changes that should have come in the past months with small patches, will arrive all together with Kali (as it actually happened in the past with previous expansion)
In any case, I cannot understand the tone somebody uses to discuss. If someone is not very satisfied from something, he should be free to say so without being attacked.
Don't act like These guys please
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Rayvonuk
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Posted - 2006.11.08 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
Essentially people who do not live eat and breath 0.0 are gonna go like 2 years or more without any real new content. CCP needs to rethink this.
Whos faults that ?
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Steven Dynahir
Gallente Avaruuslaivanrakentajat Oyj
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Posted - 2006.11.08 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: xeom And considering kali's TQ release is probably gana slip into november/december(kali-2 HA!) its basicly a year for a content patch.
That was said about a month ago 
New prediction should be december/january --- Sell orders Recruitment
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Anders Chydenius
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.08 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lemoning Lemming I would rather they fix all the current issues before rolling out more stuff that has bugs.
Just my view.
Let's say the gang system is full of bugs. Rather than waste the time to fix them all, they decide to start over and implement a new gang system from scratch. Yes, it will introduce new bugs and yes, it will be a "new feature", but it's the right way forward in a lot of cases. We do this often in developing EVEMon.
... yep, I still can't go a whole post without mentioning evemon. ------ {o,o} (__(| -"-"- EVEMon |

Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.08 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Steven Dynahir
Originally by: xeom And considering kali's TQ release is probably gana slip into november/december(kali-2 HA!) its basicly a year for a content patch.
That was said about a month ago 
New prediction should be december/january
Lets hope that they don't release it a few days before chrismas again. Don't like that chaos one or two days, before I drive into holidays. Last time I had to delay that one day just to play a a few hours rmr, before having a 3 weeks eve break. 
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Xelios
Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2006.11.08 16:06:00 -
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Besides the necromancy, I still find it hilarious people are complaining about not getting enough free content expansions when so many other major MMOGs are charging money for maybe one expansion every 2 years.
Quote: What? Free expansions?! In a game that only costs about an extra ú2/month more than most other MMO's?!! How on earth do they manage it?!!!
Probably just looks that way because most don't include VAT in their published prices. The average is $15 a month, and EVE is also $15 a month.
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Epidemis
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Posted - 2006.11.08 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Sid
Originally by: xeom And considering kali's TQ release is probably gana slip into november/december(kali-2 HA!) its basicly a year for a content patch.
Mabye im just sour from npcing so much lately but seriously this is pure utter crap. I can under stand quaterly releases or something hell even 2 releases a year might be fine but at this rate its just months of being told good things are coming and then having to wait some more.Like i pay month too be told of "up coming cool things" *sigh*.
Just some ranting i wanted to get out.
You might not know this, but any other MMORPG charges for expansions. CCP releases expansion free of charge.
Actually, in most other MMORPGs, you get "free" content patches at the size of CCP's "expansions", though I'd would tell you since you might not know this.
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Xelios
Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2006.11.08 16:19:00 -
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Which MMOG's are those? You might want to read about the previous expansions to EVE in the Features section before you answer...
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Tas Devil
JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2006.11.08 16:31:00 -
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rabble rabble rabble... nothing new same old whines from both sides of the argument ... Tas
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Epidemis
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Posted - 2006.11.08 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios Which MMOG's are those? You might want to read about the previous expansions to EVE in the Features section before you answer...
WoW :) (and yes, I have checked out the feature sections, besides, patches for wow comes in at every other month)
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