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Jimmy Darmody
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:04:00 -
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Drew Solaert wrote:Yeah numbers are down I can't think why OH WAIT YES I CAN.
- Skyrim
- Modern Warfare 3
- Batman: Arkham City
- Battlefield 3
- DOTA 2 beta
- SWTOR beta
They'll come back to Eve afterwards, they always do.
This. |
FlameGlow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:04:00 -
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Pestilent Industries wrote:We all know you are hurting for cash. Server population is down to sub 30k during prime time. I would pay you two plex to remap my skills. I am willing to help you pay for bills. What do you say CCP? I
When you pay in PLEX it doesn't mean more money for CCP(they already got the money for all plexes), only increase in PLEX demand that is high enough already Also, get out |
Samillian
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:05:00 -
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Never, live with the consequences of your decisions. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:12:00 -
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Serious question,
How is taking time that I paid for in EVE but messed up by accidentally training a wrong skill to re-alocate into something else game breaking?
I'm not asking for free skill points, I'm asking for points which I've already "paid for" to be moved somewhere else and I'm willing to pay RL money to do this. I seriously don't understand how this would "break" EVE.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Marcus Wilde
Meat Shields
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:14:00 -
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Nice troll, troll. Tears + Bucket = Win |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:17:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Serious question,
How is taking time that I paid for in EVE but messed up by accidentally training a wrong skill to re-alocate into something else game breaking?
I'm not asking for free skill points, I'm asking for points which I've already "paid for" to be moved somewhere else and I'm willing to pay RL money to do this. I seriously don't understand how this would "break" EVE.
How would CCP differentiate between someone who "accidentally trained a wrong skill" and someone who made very good use (and mountains of ISK) out of one set of skills, and now wants to switch those skill into PVP skills?????
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Molly Molotov
Sunshine In A Cup
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:17:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:No. This paying to win.
As apposed to? You don't need to play in order to train skills, only pay 15$ or a PLEX
You are now aware that Nova Fox has been paying to win his entire life.
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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:17:00 -
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Pestilent Industries wrote:We all know you are hurting for cash. Server population is down to sub 30k during prime time. I would pay you two plex to remap my skills. I am willing to help you pay for bills. What do you say CCP? I
Hopefully when it is a cold day in hell little FOTM bunny |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:26:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Zagdul wrote:Serious question,
How is taking time that I paid for in EVE but messed up by accidentally training a wrong skill to re-alocate into something else game breaking?
I'm not asking for free skill points, I'm asking for points which I've already "paid for" to be moved somewhere else and I'm willing to pay RL money to do this. I seriously don't understand how this would "break" EVE. How would CCP differentiate between someone who "accidentally trained a wrong skill" and someone who made very good use (and mountains of ISK) out of one set of skills, and now wants to switch those skill into PVP skills?????
That's besides the point, I still don't get how taking time (skillpoints) which are already paid for and putting them somewhere else is game breaking.
My character has 110 million skillpoints. I have easily over 20m which I do_not_use that would better be allocated elsewhere. Those 20m skillpoints are time which has already been paid for over the course of months of training. I'm not asking for a refund in this time, nor am I asking for any advantage over anyone else. Quite the contrary, I'm asking that if I asked to move 20m skill points elsewhere, I'd be willing to pay CCP the value of that time to allocate elsewhere. In other words, I'm paying more and increasing the value of this character.
It's not like if I moved those points elsewhere that somehow I've become anymore awesome, I've just become more efficient in my skill point allocations.
The time is already invested into the character. I'm not asking for "free time". Shoot, I'd even be willing to take an SP penalty to re-allocate some of my skills. This would actually make me less awesome because I would have less SP after a re-allocation.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Arklight Project Fade 2 Black
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:30:00 -
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Actually I won't bother about remaps, CCP should just remove attributes, they don't add to the game. They arleady removed learning skills. So I ask why keep attributes? One remap every year, that's pathetic game mechanics, and won't bind players to the game. Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |
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Tomytronic
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.02 12:11:00 -
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Attributes, learning implants, jump clone timers...
Their connection? They're all arbitrary barriers to fun. |
Xenial Jesse Taalo
Tactical Nyan Cat Attack Force OMNIMODUS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.12.02 12:37:00 -
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Zagdul I think Hikaru's answer was on point. You started off by saying "messed up accidentally." I don't think you can convince anyone that you accidentally trained 20m SP. You changed your argument.
Re-allocating SP in hindsight is the same as escaping the time required to train what you would re-allocate to. Definitely beneficial to you. Whether this is good or bad for the game is something I'm not going to try to answer, but I do compare it to the real life analogy of "You can't turn your 3 years of psychology study into 3 years of chemistry skill."
Divide the topic into 2 parts. -+ One part is the idea of re-allocating SP. This is a positive to all players individually, but is it a positive or negative to the game? -+ The other part is paying to do this, because then it definitely becomes P2W. This I am against.
The first part is worth debating, but it would need to be implemented in a way that avoids P2W before being considered at all. Difficult because everything is ISK and thus everything is buyable with real money.
Here is the one idea I can think of: if you want to re-allocate SP, you have to fight another player from a pool of players trying the same. An agent does the re-allocation, it's not meta-game. That agent defines the terms of the engagement, he selects which players to matchmake, with hull and mod restrictions affected by the amount of SP you seek to move. Only the winner gets to do it. The loser has to come back in a week. A lot of fleshing out is required but that's an example of allowing the idea of SP relocation that works to avoid P2W. As a light backup, make it cost ten times as much ISK to apply for as the last time you won your fight.
But honestly, as Seleia has said, the attributes and remapping feature of Eve hardly constitutes gameplay anyway. I'd happily look at big alternatives to that aspect of the game before remapping attribs/SP.
Besides now I'm more interested in this trophy fighting idea I just mentioned. :D That's too large a system to introduce just for remapping anyway. |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2011.12.02 12:45:00 -
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man i wonder why no-ones brought this up before?
oh thats right, 4000+ people voted NO
WAIT A SECOND....
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Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:54:00 -
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When can we pay for remaps?
Hopefully never The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't. |
Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
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Posted - 2011.12.02 14:05:00 -
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misread op |
ariana ailith
Aribar Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:02:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I'll beat my dead horse here once again. A small remap of 50 to 100k I would like just to clear up some of the crap I was saddled with at character creation on my older characters. Else I would like the option to simply delete skills as I see fit with no remap whatsoever. There is stuff on my skill sheets that I simply don't want. They're my skills. I should have the option of deleting them if I wish. Again, that's delete. No refund. No remap. Just erase what I don't want. Mr Epeen
Get killed a few times in an non-upgraded pod... Skills gone, simple...
Also, just hide your certificates. No one has to see what you skilled so you dont have to be ashamed of those harmless skillpoints.
This must be the most idiotic "request" ever... The deletion of skills cuz i dont want them. |
Kurama Bingyi
Burst Of Aggresion The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:07:00 -
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Laegor Stormborn wrote:Come on CCP, we know you are broke and need our cash.
I didn't know this.
When did this happen? "Nay," responded Kurama Bingyi, "to crush your enemies, to see them fall at your feet - to take their horses and goods and hear the lamentation of their women. That is best." |
De'Veldrin
Element 27 Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:18:00 -
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Pestilent Industries wrote:We all know you are hurting for cash. Server population is down to sub 30k during prime time. I would pay you two plex to remap my skills. I am willing to help you pay for bills. What do you say CCP? I
FFS, no.
Bad troll, bad! Back to your bridge. Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1091
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:23:00 -
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Tomytronic wrote:Attributes, learning implants, jump clone timers...
Their connection? They're all arbitrary barriers to fun.
Get rid of learning implants and add +5 to every attribute on every character. Seriously. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
202
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:31:00 -
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Andski wrote:Tomytronic wrote:Attributes, learning implants, jump clone timers...
Their connection? They're all arbitrary barriers to fun. Get rid of learning implants and add +5 to every attribute on every character. Seriously.
Bu but what about all the time and effort I spent grinding for ISK to buy my +5 set and all the time I spent training at 1500 sp/hour?
IT HAS TO KEEP VALUE OR ELSE THIS GAME IS UNFAIR Bring back learning skills I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104 |
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Xtover
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.12.02 15:54:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:No. This paying to win.
My first reaction is "NO!"
Then I realize that you can buy a 40m SP char for 7-10bil, specced to whatever you desire.
Gallente the new FOTY and you trained Amarr/Minmatar? No worries just get some PLEX and buy a character that can fly all Gallente and Caldari ships with hybrids.
It's MUCH more gamebreaking than once a year allowing people to "trade in" 100k-500k SP or so.
I mean this char has 25m SP, I have another with more than twice that. Half a million SP won't change much but maybe one large skill.
Having it a NeX feature though... now that I don't support or having it a pay-to-do feature. I think of it more along the lines of cleaning out old crap.
And remember: All the SP in the world won't make you a better pilot, only experience will. |
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