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Pestilent Industries Pestilent Industries Amalgamated 8	Posted - 2011.12.02 02:19:00 - [1] - Quote We all know you are hurting for cash. Server population is down to sub 30k during prime time. I would pay you two plex to remap my skills. I am willing to help you pay for bills. What do you say CCP? I
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1840	Posted - 2011.12.02 02:21:00 - [2] - Quote Couldn't you ask for something a little less game-breaking? You know, like paying for scrambling immunity or 100% resists or something? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
DarkAegix Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 431	Posted - 2011.12.02 02:22:00 - [3] - Quote They see me trollin They hatin Patrolling they tryin to catch me ridin dirty Tryin to catch me ridin dirty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6bk5S2_Zc
Kinta Huron Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2011.12.02 02:37:00 - [4] - Quote Many people have asked for this feature myself included.
IIIAsharakIII GR3Y N0MADS 7	Posted - 2011.12.02 02:37:00 - [5] - Quote No dude NO.
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries 446	Posted - 2011.12.02 02:44:00 - [6] - Quote Pestilent Industries wrote: We all know you are hurting for cash. Server population is down to sub 30k during prime time. I would pay you two plex to remap my skills. I am willing to help you pay for bills. What do you say CCP? I How about buying 200 plex and buying yourself a decent character from the bazaar with isk instead. Now go away troll - there is plenty of room under the bridge. Classic forum style - Images and colored text - Custom CQ videos
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 180	Posted - 2011.12.02 02:48:00 - [7] - Quote Tippia wrote: Couldn't you ask for something a little less game-breaking? You know, like paying for scrambling immunity or 100% resists or something? How is training 20-30% faster for 1 billion ISK gamebreaking or in ANY way shape or form comparable to asking for immunity to weapons? I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries 446	Posted - 2011.12.02 02:53:00 - [8] - Quote Krios Ahzek wrote: Tippia wrote: Couldn't you ask for something a little less game-breaking? You know, like paying for scrambling immunity or 100% resists or something? How is training 20-30% faster for 1 billion ISK gamebreaking or in ANY way shape or form comparable to asking for immunity to weapons? It would mess up the character prices. So... how about buying 200 plex and buying yourself a decent character from the bazaar with isk instead. Now go away troll - there is plenty of room for you too under the bridge. Classic forum style - Images and colored text - Custom CQ videos
Brock Nelson 58	Posted - 2011.12.02 02:54:00 - [9] - Quote IIIAsharakIII wrote: No dude NO. This
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 503	Posted - 2011.12.02 03:22:00 - [10] - Quote I'll beat my dead horse here once again. A small remap of 50 to 100k I would like just to clear up some of the crap I was saddled with at character creation on my older characters. Else I would like the option to simply delete skills as I see fit with no remap whatsoever. There is stuff on my skill sheets that I simply don't want. They're my skills. I should have the option of deleting them if I wish. Again, that's delete. No refund. No remap. Just erase what I don't want. Mr Epeen If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet.
Laegor Stormborn Viziam Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2011.12.02 03:28:00 - [11] - Quote Come on CCP, we know you are broke and need our cash.
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 180	Posted - 2011.12.02 03:30:00 - [12] - Quote Grey Stormshadow wrote: Krios Ahzek wrote: Tippia wrote: Couldn't you ask for something a little less game-breaking? You know, like paying for scrambling immunity or 100% resists or something? How is training 20-30% faster for 1 billion ISK gamebreaking or in ANY way shape or form comparable to asking for immunity to weapons? It would mess up the character prices. So... how about buying 200 plex and buying yourself a decent character from the bazaar with isk instead. Now go away troll - there is plenty of room for you too under the bridge. I don't see the fundamental difference between spending 200 plex to remap a 100 mil SP character to your liking or spending 200 plex to buy one. (PS my first answer was written with the implication that the OP was talking about attributes, not skills, but 200 plex seems like a fair amount for remapping skills) I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104
Captain Mastiff 8	Posted - 2011.12.02 03:35:00 - [13] - Quote Would pay for said feature, I require instant satisfaction. Or... Stop making such ******* ridiculous multipliers on skills. I Initially thought the whole system was cool as it allowed me to ease into Eve, though after nearly 3 years I'm seriously fed up with it. It's a sad state of affairs when I can buy a character 3x as epic as this current one in a much shorter time than I say can train Frigate V. P.S... Buying a character is in reality almost the same, I can be Mr Bigshot with a lot of money, start with a rookie buy a load of plexes with real cash ... buy new player? -profit
Kinta Huron Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2011.12.02 04:16:00 - [14] - Quote Grey Stormshadow wrote: Pestilent Industries wrote: We all know you are hurting for cash. Server population is down to sub 30k during prime time. I would pay you two plex to remap my skills. I am willing to help you pay for bills. What do you say CCP? I How about buying 200 plex and buying yourself a decent character from the bazaar with isk instead. Now go away troll - there is plenty of room under the bridge. Most people don't have that kind of crazy ISK or rl money to be doing what your suggesting, so take your own advise and go away troll!
Shivus Tao Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 92	Posted - 2011.12.02 04:24:00 - [15] - Quote This thread is a symptom of the continued casualization, or rather, WoWification of everything. CCP should stick to their guns and maintain eve as a beacon of light in the darkness for those who wish to seek it.
mingetek DustWaffe DUST ALLIANCE 21	Posted - 2011.12.02 05:06:00 - [16] - Quote how about somethign MOAR game breaking? pay 2 plex abnd move all sp on another character on same accoutn to another you pick. 14.3 mp alt not skilling? simple pay two plex and have all its sp moved to your main and then have old char deleted. ..
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 477	Posted - 2011.12.02 05:09:00 - [17] - Quote No. This paying to win. Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation RONA Directorate 300	Posted - 2011.12.02 05:19:00 - [18] - Quote how about you contract all of your stuff to me and you leave this game in shame.
Lili Lu 46	Posted - 2011.12.02 05:19:00 - [19] - Quote Back in my day you trained mining barge just to get a piddly pool of ISK that you'ld lose to some scam on escrow and you liked it!!! Woo hoo look at me I'm a poor shlub who trained mining barge even though I wanted to fly battleships and I just got scammed on escrow and now I have no ISk and no combat skills and no woman will want to mate with me now . . . The day they make this game easy for noob whiners is the day it will be dead, nevermind the nex store and barbies in space stations.
erfta State War Academy Caldari State 5	Posted - 2011.12.02 05:20:00 - [20] - Quote Shivus Tao wrote: This thread is a symptom of the continued casualization, or rather, WoWification of everything. CCP should stick to their guns and maintain eve as a beacon of light in the darkness for those who wish to seek it. Dont blame wow, blame apple for making computers easy mode. and facebook and twitter and all the idiot tech. basicly every thing cool for the 15 years and hippie parents no one reads the TOS not even the guy that writes it. this is sig worthy http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/11/09/mortal-online-plagiarizes-eve-onlines-terms-of-service/1#c35015206
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 180	Posted - 2011.12.02 05:21:00 - [21] - Quote erfta wrote: Shivus Tao wrote: This thread is a symptom of the continued casualization, or rather, WoWification of everything. CCP should stick to their guns and maintain eve as a beacon of light in the darkness for those who wish to seek it. Dont blame wow, blame apple for making computers easy mode. and facebook and twitter and all the idiot tech. basicly every thing cool for the 15 years and hippie parents Back in my time we had to actually press enter before google google'd. I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104
Arthur Frayn Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 58	Posted - 2011.12.02 05:22:00 - [22] - Quote This isn't WoW. There are no ultimate character builds. No need to remap skills when you can just train more.
Jonas Xiamon 23	Posted - 2011.12.02 07:10:00 - [23] - Quote Remap of Skills? Not attributes, but skills? **** no, die. Questions, comments, complaints? Please feel free to reply, I'll be serving coffee and ice cream soon.
Zevina Atomic Core Industries and Science 5	Posted - 2011.12.02 07:16:00 - [24] - Quote It would be a great feature if you could delete skills with a 20-25% percent refund of the used skillpoints. That way people would think twice before they do it and it would also benefit the game. If there are less allrounders in the game someone else will step up and fill the hole. A full refund will surely kill this game.
Shadow Lord77 Shadow Industries I 83	Posted - 2011.12.02 10:33:00 - [25] - Quote 1. Plex isk, or other for a skill remap. 2. Plex isk or other for an attribute remap. 3. No remaps at all. CCP loses out. Players are restricted to what they can do. At least this is what I know. I know there are players out there with a dark understanding of the mentality and system of Eve Online and how this would be detrimental to the whole feel of it, mentality, whatever. But this is still a video game, and I would like to see some maneuverability within accounts as to what you can train quickly and have the ability to do without having to go through the trouble of selling, or buying an account as it seems is suggested. I would also like to see the ability to have name changes as the account name one makes when they are 16 might not have the same feel as when they are 22 years of age. But whatever, what do I know? Besides the fact that it's what you grew up into: could someone explain to me why the system is awesome as it is?
Pak Narhoo Knights of Kador 58	Posted - 2011.12.02 10:36:00 - [26] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: I'll beat my dead horse here once again. A small remap of 50 to 100k I would like just to clear up some of the crap I was saddled with at character creation on my older characters. Else I would like the option to simply delete skills as I see fit with no remap whatsoever. There is stuff on my skill sheets that I simply don't want. They're my skills. I should have the option of deleting them if I wish. Again, that's delete. No refund. No remap. Just erase what I don't want. Mr Epeen Learn to live with the decisions you made. That is EVE.
Liam Mirren 27	Posted - 2011.12.02 10:36:00 - [27] - Quote Not a fan of plex for remaps because it reeks of "cash for SP", I would however pay good money to be able to change race/bloodline on some of my chars. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc 20	Posted - 2011.12.02 10:45:00 - [28] - Quote Think before you make decisions. They should last for the entire life of your character. The day CCP start taking $$$ to remap skills or for skillpoints is the day Eve starts dying. Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 78	Posted - 2011.12.02 10:59:00 - [29] - Quote Get out. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg
Drew Solaert University of Caille Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2011.12.02 11:00:00 - [30] - Quote Yeah numbers are down I can't think why OH WAIT YES I CAN. Skyrim Modern Warfare 3 Batman: Arkham City Battlefield 3 DOTA 2 beta SWTOR beta They'll come back to Eve afterwards, they always do.
Jimmy Darmody The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.12.02 11:04:00 - [31] - Quote Drew Solaert wrote: Yeah numbers are down I can't think why OH WAIT YES I CAN. Skyrim Modern Warfare 3 Batman: Arkham City Battlefield 3 DOTA 2 beta SWTOR beta They'll come back to Eve afterwards, they always do. This.
FlameGlow GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 20	Posted - 2011.12.02 11:04:00 - [32] - Quote Pestilent Industries wrote: We all know you are hurting for cash. Server population is down to sub 30k during prime time. I would pay you two plex to remap my skills. I am willing to help you pay for bills. What do you say CCP? I When you pay in PLEX it doesn't mean more money for CCP(they already got the money for all plexes), only increase in PLEX demand that is high enough already Also, get out
Samillian Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos 37	Posted - 2011.12.02 11:05:00 - [33] - Quote Never, live with the consequences of your decisions.
Zagdul Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 217	Posted - 2011.12.02 11:12:00 - [34] - Quote Serious question, How is taking time that I paid for in EVE but messed up by accidentally training a wrong skill to re-alocate into something else game breaking? I'm not asking for free skill points, I'm asking for points which I've already "paid for" to be moved somewhere else and I'm willing to pay RL money to do this. I seriously don't understand how this would "break" EVE. It's not Rocket Surgery
Marcus Wilde Meat Shields 23	Posted - 2011.12.02 11:14:00 - [35] - Quote Nice troll, troll. Tears + Bucket = Win
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc 20	Posted - 2011.12.02 11:17:00 - [36] - Quote Zagdul wrote: Serious question, How is taking time that I paid for in EVE but messed up by accidentally training a wrong skill to re-alocate into something else game breaking? I'm not asking for free skill points, I'm asking for points which I've already "paid for" to be moved somewhere else and I'm willing to pay RL money to do this. I seriously don't understand how this would "break" EVE. How would CCP differentiate between someone who "accidentally trained a wrong skill" and someone who made very good use (and mountains of ISK) out of one set of skills, and now wants to switch those skill into PVP skills????? Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Molly Molotov Sunshine In A Cup 21	Posted - 2011.12.02 11:17:00 - [37] - Quote Nova Fox wrote: No. This paying to win. As apposed to? You don't need to play in order to train skills, only pay 15$ or a PLEX You are now aware that Nova Fox has been paying to win his entire life.
Deviana Sevidon Jades Falcon Guards 118	Posted - 2011.12.02 11:17:00 - [38] - Quote Pestilent Industries wrote: We all know you are hurting for cash. Server population is down to sub 30k during prime time. I would pay you two plex to remap my skills. I am willing to help you pay for bills. What do you say CCP? I Hopefully when it is a cold day in hell little FOTM bunny
Zagdul Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 217	Posted - 2011.12.02 11:26:00 - [39] - Quote Jint Hikaru wrote: Zagdul wrote: Serious question, How is taking time that I paid for in EVE but messed up by accidentally training a wrong skill to re-alocate into something else game breaking? I'm not asking for free skill points, I'm asking for points which I've already "paid for" to be moved somewhere else and I'm willing to pay RL money to do this. I seriously don't understand how this would "break" EVE. How would CCP differentiate between someone who "accidentally trained a wrong skill" and someone who made very good use (and mountains of ISK) out of one set of skills, and now wants to switch those skill into PVP skills????? That's besides the point, I still don't get how taking time (skillpoints) which are already paid for and putting them somewhere else is game breaking. My character has 110 million skillpoints. I have easily over 20m which I do_not_use that would better be allocated elsewhere. Those 20m skillpoints are time which has already been paid for over the course of months of training. I'm not asking for a refund in this time, nor am I asking for any advantage over anyone else. Quite the contrary, I'm asking that if I asked to move 20m skill points elsewhere, I'd be willing to pay CCP the value of that time to allocate elsewhere. In other words, I'm paying more and increasing the value of this character. It's not like if I moved those points elsewhere that somehow I've become anymore awesome, I've just become more efficient in my skill point allocations. The time is already invested into the character. I'm not asking for "free time". Shoot, I'd even be willing to take an SP penalty to re-allocate some of my skills. This would actually make me less awesome because I would have less SP after a re-allocation. It's not Rocket Surgery
Seleia O'Sinnor Arklight Project Fade 2 Black 14	Posted - 2011.12.02 11:30:00 - [40] - Quote Actually I won't bother about remaps, CCP should just remove attributes, they don't add to the game. They arleady removed learning skills. So I ask why keep attributes? One remap every year, that's pathetic game mechanics, and won't bind players to the game. Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing.
Tomytronic GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 23	Posted - 2011.12.02 12:11:00 - [41] - Quote Attributes, learning implants, jump clone timers... Their connection? They're all arbitrary barriers to fun.
Xenial Jesse Taalo Tactical Nyan Cat Attack Force OMNIMODUS ALLIANCE 35	Posted - 2011.12.02 12:37:00 - [42] - Quote Zagdul I think Hikaru's answer was on point. You started off by saying "messed up accidentally." I don't think you can convince anyone that you accidentally trained 20m SP. You changed your argument. Re-allocating SP in hindsight is the same as escaping the time required to train what you would re-allocate to. Definitely beneficial to you. Whether this is good or bad for the game is something I'm not going to try to answer, but I do compare it to the real life analogy of "You can't turn your 3 years of psychology study into 3 years of chemistry skill." Divide the topic into 2 parts. -+ One part is the idea of re-allocating SP. This is a positive to all players individually, but is it a positive or negative to the game? -+ The other part is paying to do this, because then it definitely becomes P2W. This I am against. The first part is worth debating, but it would need to be implemented in a way that avoids P2W before being considered at all. Difficult because everything is ISK and thus everything is buyable with real money. Here is the one idea I can think of: if you want to re-allocate SP, you have to fight another player from a pool of players trying the same. An agent does the re-allocation, it's not meta-game. That agent defines the terms of the engagement, he selects which players to matchmake, with hull and mod restrictions affected by the amount of SP you seek to move. Only the winner gets to do it. The loser has to come back in a week. A lot of fleshing out is required but that's an example of allowing the idea of SP relocation that works to avoid P2W. As a light backup, make it cost ten times as much ISK to apply for as the last time you won your fight. But honestly, as Seleia has said, the attributes and remapping feature of Eve hardly constitutes gameplay anyway. I'd happily look at big alternatives to that aspect of the game before remapping attribs/SP. Besides now I'm more interested in this trophy fighting idea I just mentioned. :D That's too large a system to introduce just for remapping anyway.
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 151	Posted - 2011.12.02 12:45:00 - [43] - Quote man i wonder why no-ones brought this up before? oh thats right, 4000+ people voted NO WAIT A SECOND....
Lucien Visteen Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2011.12.02 13:54:00 - [44] - Quote When can we pay for remaps? Hopefully never The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.
Florestan Bronstein The Waterworks 194	Posted - 2011.12.02 14:05:00 - [45] - Quote misread op
ariana ailith Aribar Conglomerate 8	Posted - 2011.12.02 15:02:00 - [46] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: I'll beat my dead horse here once again. A small remap of 50 to 100k I would like just to clear up some of the crap I was saddled with at character creation on my older characters. Else I would like the option to simply delete skills as I see fit with no remap whatsoever. There is stuff on my skill sheets that I simply don't want. They're my skills. I should have the option of deleting them if I wish. Again, that's delete. No refund. No remap. Just erase what I don't want. Mr Epeen Get killed a few times in an non-upgraded pod... Skills gone, simple... Also, just hide your certificates. No one has to see what you skilled so you dont have to be ashamed of those harmless skillpoints. This must be the most idiotic "request" ever... The deletion of skills cuz i dont want them.
Kurama Bingyi Burst Of Aggresion The Methodical Alliance 3	Posted - 2011.12.02 15:07:00 - [47] - Quote Laegor Stormborn wrote: Come on CCP, we know you are broke and need our cash. I didn't know this. When did this happen? "Nay," responded Kurama Bingyi, "to crush your enemies, to see them fall at your feet - to take their horses and goods and hear the lamentation of their women. That is best."
De'Veldrin Element 27 Intrepid Crossing 104	Posted - 2011.12.02 15:18:00 - [48] - Quote Pestilent Industries wrote: We all know you are hurting for cash. Server population is down to sub 30k during prime time. I would pay you two plex to remap my skills. I am willing to help you pay for bills. What do you say CCP? I FFS, no. Bad troll, bad! Back to your bridge. Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1091	Posted - 2011.12.02 15:23:00 - [49] - Quote Tomytronic wrote: Attributes, learning implants, jump clone timers... Their connection? They're all arbitrary barriers to fun. Get rid of learning implants and add +5 to every attribute on every character. Seriously.
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 202	Posted - 2011.12.02 15:31:00 - [50] - Quote Andski wrote: Tomytronic wrote: Attributes, learning implants, jump clone timers... Their connection? They're all arbitrary barriers to fun. Get rid of learning implants and add +5 to every attribute on every character. Seriously. Bu but what about all the time and effort I spent grinding for ISK to buy my +5 set and all the time I spent training at 1500 sp/hour? IT HAS TO KEEP VALUE OR ELSE THIS GAME IS UNFAIR Bring back learning skills I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104
Xtover Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities 11	Posted - 2011.12.02 15:54:00 - [51] - Quote Nova Fox wrote: No. This paying to win. My first reaction is "NO!" Then I realize that you can buy a 40m SP char for 7-10bil, specced to whatever you desire. Gallente the new FOTY and you trained Amarr/Minmatar? No worries just get some PLEX and buy a character that can fly all Gallente and Caldari ships with hybrids. It's MUCH more gamebreaking than once a year allowing people to "trade in" 100k-500k SP or so. I mean this char has 25m SP, I have another with more than twice that. Half a million SP won't change much but maybe one large skill. Having it a NeX feature though... now that I don't support or having it a pay-to-do feature. I think of it more along the lines of cleaning out old crap. And remember: All the SP in the world won't make you a better pilot, only experience will.

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