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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.29 04:07:00 -
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I absolutely agree with Bob on this one, though we are in war in the game.
the insurance system is crap.
The only thing the system makes is that n00bs are flying around in battleships with n00b equipment fitted.
The system does not help PvP.
It's not fun to kill a battleship and find that the guy was mounting nothing worth to pick up even for recycling
Simple solution:
Ammount payed out = sec lvl of system where the ship was lost x base amount.
And no insurance is payed out if the ship is lossed in a formal war either.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.29 12:58:00 -
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They still loose money when you figure having to replace modules. :p
No, they don't. Cause they use f*n standard modules all over.
Now, at this pic, I was fitted with modules worth 60M+(pretty risky). The reason to use expensive modules is to get that extra bit out of it and be able to kill.
Now, look at one of those f*ers flying around. His ship is insured to max and his modules are not worth more than 6M.
Here comes the part that makes me mad:
If I destroy his battleship 9 times before he finally manage to destroy me the 10:th time, I will have lost more money than him!
If the future of PvP will be reckless n00bs in battleships with crap equipment, then I'll have to reconsider why I'm here
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.29 13:04:00 -
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if I was taking this ship into serious combat territory it would easily have +3mil in weapons and other gear on it, let alone any risk of clone replacement.
WTF???????? 3M????? Thanks for confirming my post above yours.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.29 15:30:00 -
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If it isn't broke, don't fix it. And insurance is one of the very very few things in this game that isn't broke. It improves ship sales and sales of low end minerals in a economy thats almost non-existant now.
Find something else to whine about
What did the carebear say? The insurance not broke?
When people bow up their own ship on purpose and the system prevents you from PvP, I'd say it's damn broke.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.29 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 28/10/2003 17:03:28
Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 28/10/2003 17:02:20
In the real world, maritime insurance rates skyrocket for merchants heading into war zones or areas filled with pirates. In Eve, a dimwit can lose 3 battleships in 3 days, and make 6 million isk for his trouble.
Dear Bob Just how much do you think it cost this Profiteer to outfit this BS-..IM SURE ITS MORE THAN 6 MILL.
No. Read my post on the previous page.
The carebears use standard equipment.
One of them even confirmed that his equipment was worth about 3M.
The carebears all use Scorpions and outfit them with 4 siegelaunchers, 2 standard turrets, 4 ECM, scrambler, webber, sensor booster and shield booster, and fill up the lo slots with Power diagnostics.
They equip their battleships with equipment not even worth recycling.
They go out and try to PvP without any risk at all, except loosing implants.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.29 16:31:00 -
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 No risk? I take you never have hauled anything of value. BTW you convinced that you are both and whinner and a idiot. Go back to quake moron.
Who should go back to quake???
In other games you loose nothing when you die, you can start to go out and kill again instantly.
Now you say that you want EVE to also be a game where you don't loose anything when you die.
Who should go back to playing quake???
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.29 16:51:00 -
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[ But take away insurance, then see what battles are like.
Then there would be real battles instead of n00bs taking pot shots on each other.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.29 17:09:00 -
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I'd rather see a player fitted in a real way try logging off to save his modules than see a n00b loose his ship and laugh since he made money on loosing his ship.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.29 17:24:00 -
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OMG!!,OMG!!,OMG!!,OMG!!,OMG!!,OMG!!
A n00b that dies with Dignity instead of running like coward! If you would rather see a player logging off to save his modules, I guess that says alot about then doesn't it?
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I'd rather see a player fitted in a real way try logging off to save his modules than see a n00b loose his ship and laugh since he made money on loosing his ship.
Dignity???
Dignity???
Dignity to know you'll profit from your own death???
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.29 18:28:00 -
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Oh excuse me! Solders must not have life insurance either. But they still fight to the death.
And noobs aren't to good with money, I doubt they making money. But with market the way it is,I supose it's possible. Who's selling Scorp for 45 mill?, I want an extra one!!
That was the most stupid comparision I've seen in some time. This is a game where you have clones, unless you didn't kno.
Damn right n00bs aren't too good with money. And that's why they shouldn't be able to be reckless in a battleship.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.29 21:06:00 -
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Kinda late to this topic, but I'll add my two cents.
I used to play a MMO called MotorCity Online. It was a buy, modify and race your classic ('70s-'30s) car game and is no longer alive, because the devs made the system give out too much money and everyone had everything and then some. Cars we're being bought in the auction system for $5mil.
Needless to say it became rather bland since everyone was running around in the same ubber cars with no variances besides the paint jobs. MCO lasted for a little over a year before they lost so many subscriptions they shut it down.
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EVE is heading down the same road right now. For this game to work and last requires money sinks to bleed off the excess wealth that is amassing. Otherwise we'll all be running around in titans within this game's first year and it'll become boring and people will start quitting and it just snowballs from there.
I agree wholeheartedly with the original poster. Insurance needs to be one of those money sinks and by no means should be a tool to profit by.
Exactly what I've been saying.
It's too easy to get the biggest ship.
And if you manage to loose it you get a new one for free.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.29 21:09:00 -
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Eve is going, but not because of insurance. You can't make large amounts of money from it. Lack of new content and action is going to kill Eve. Insurance is the main reason there is as much action as there is.
Very much the other way.
Insurance takes away the exitement and content in the game.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.29 21:35:00 -
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For those of you who don't understand the problem, I'm gonna write down a scenario:
Corporation A consists of hardcore gamers. But during the last week members from corp B, which are n00bs, has been harrasing corp A, with lots of smacktalk. So corp A decides to show corp B that they really are n00bs.
The situation leads to a big battle between the corps, where both corps have 10 battleships present.
Due to the fact that corp A are hardcore gamers and corp B n00bs, the battle ends in a crushing defeats for corp B. The score is 10-3.
So corp A asks corp B: "Now, who are the n00bs? Gonna take ya some time to recover from that, right? :D".
Then corp B answers: "HAHAHA, no, we only lost 50M isk, you're the n00bs". Because corp B doesn't loose anything from loosing the ships due to the insurance, and as all n00bs they were fitted with equipment not worth more than 5M per ship.
Corp A then realize how ****** up this game is and will probably quit the game quite soon, since each of their ships carried equipment worth 60M each.
So despite corp A winning the battle with 10-3, corp A lossed 180M isk while corp B only lossed 50M isk.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.29 21:39:00 -
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It's not easy to get a battleship, most of the 30k that play don't have and will never get one. And this getting it back for free concept you have is distorted.
The fact that you are in Mass is prolly the only reason you have a bship at all. Toss everything you got away and start again and see how long it takes to get a bship. That might snap you back to reality.
If I hadn't spent my time mining/chaining for my corp and instead worked only for myself I would have had 10 battleships in my hangar and wouldn't know how to spend my isk.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.29 22:07:00 -
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The funny part is, Corp B is quite right... what sort of the 'hardcore gamers' you are talking about, if they don't even know how the insurance works and which part of the 'ship & setup' is really valuable and hard to replace?.. :s
Well, of course they know...
But I hope you see the problem.
The carebears are turning this game into "Counterstrike in space".
Give it some time and everyone in EVE(except Techell and co who are playing it to get as much isk as possilbe) will be flying Scorpions with standard equipment on and talk about how many frags they've made today.
I won't be here when that happens. And I doubt anyone else than the 12 year old boys will be.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.30 17:03:00 -
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But I was told yesterday that if you buy the top insurance for a scorpion it costs 20 million, you get paid back 74 mil, and a corpmate is getting his scorp for 52 mil.
This isn't as good a deal as it first appears.
With the highest level of insurance you get back the full cost of the ship, plus the cost to insure it - so I assume in your example above the Scorpion was in fact bought for 54m.
In fact, the cost would have been 74m, because your friend paid out 20m to insure the ship. Now, if he can buy a new Scorpion for 52m, it may look as though he's making 2m on the deal. It's possible that he would, but he wouldn't get any money to replace his modules that in the meantime have been pinched by the first ship to go past. How many people do you know who fly battleships with less than 2m in equipment fitted?
Granted, there is an exploit where people can go out and self-destruct their ship to get insurance money, but then it could be argued that to make any money doing this you would have had to pay over the odds for your ship in the first place.
The obvious solution to this would be to stop insurance payouts for ships that are self destroyed, or destroyed by corpmates.
I've seen many people, as I've already described. To make "good" use of a Scorpion you don't need more than 1M skill points and modules for 4M isk.
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